The Cosmos
Loyal
Sue...Look at what the Word says. I agree. So from physical evidence too, we know that there were dinosaurs on the Earth. One cannot throw out the evidence. OOParts Or out of place artifacts. I mentioned this one before...the Antikythera mechanism...an analog computer found imbedded in the rock supposedly millions of years old.
Here's one to curl your hair...How about a 1.8-Billion-Year-Old Nuclear Reactor?
Nuclear reactor site, Oklo, Gabon Republic. (NASA)
In 1972, a French factory imported uranium ore from Oklo, in Africa’s Gabon Republic. The uranium had already been extracted. They found the site of origin to have apparently functioned as a large-scale nuclear reactor that came into being 1.8 billion years ago and was in operation for some 500,000 years.
Dr. Glenn T. Seaborg, former head of the United States Atomic Energy Commission and Nobel Prize winner for his work in the synthesis of heavy elements, explained why he believes it wasn’t a natural phenomenon, and thus must be a man-made nuclear reactor. For uranium to “burn” in a reaction, very precise conditions are needed.
The water must be extremely pure, for one. Much purer than exists naturally. The material U-235 is necessary for nuclear fission to occur. It is one of the isotopes found naturally in uranium. Several specialists in reactor engineering have said they believe the uranium in Oklo could not have been rich enough in U-235 for a reaction to take place naturally.
*******************************************************
Caves near Mount Baigong in China contain pipes leading to a nearby lake. They were dated by the Beijing Institute of Geology to about 150,000 years ago, according to Brian Dunning of Skeptoid.com.
State-run media Xinhua reported that the pipes were analyzed at a local smeltery and 8 percent of the material could not be identified. Zheng Jiandong, a geology research fellow from the China Earthquake Administration told state-run newspaper People’s Daily in 2007 that some of the pipes were found to be highly radioactive.
********************************************************
John Buchanan, Esq., presented a mysterious object to a meeting of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland on Dec. 13, 1852. A drill bit had been found encapsulated in coal about 22 inches thick, buried in a bed of clay mixed with boulders about 7 feet thick.
The Earth’s coal is said to have formed hundreds of millions of years ago. The Society decided that the instrument was of a modern level of advancement. But, it concluded that “the iron instrument might have been part of a borer broken during some former search for coal.”
Buchanan’s detailed report did not include any signs that the coal surrounding the instrument had been punctured by drilling.
*******************************************************
Here..You dig a little. THE PORT OF PUMA PUNKU; Tiahuanacu; Maccu Pichu.
**************************************************************************
There is evidence of a nuclear war that turned the desert of Lybia into glass in the far distant past. Ancient Sanskrit writings describe powerful weapons that the gods used on Earth thousands—even perhaps tens of thousands—of years ago. “…An incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand suns, rose in all its splendor. It was an unknown weapon and iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race…”
************************************************************************
And on and on and on. Too much evidence to ignore.
Loyal
The thing about Old Earth is that it blows evolution right out of the water.
Loyal
The original earth was created in Geneses 1:1. In Genesis 1:2 was the re creation of the earth that was at one time "dry land", but became over flowed with water. Hebrews tells us......
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
God does not use existing material to create anything new. The original earth that is seen in Geneses 1:1 was not created from any existing material which we see in Geneses 1:2
This earth might be young, but it was was re created from very very old material from the original earth from Geneses 1:1.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
God does not use existing material to create anything new. The original earth that is seen in Geneses 1:1 was not created from any existing material which we see in Geneses 1:2
This earth might be young, but it was was re created from very very old material from the original earth from Geneses 1:1.
Loyal
It's a very important issue. The 'issue' Being -- Is God powerful enough to have created the world exactly as Genesis says He did or Not?! How did 'we' get God's Word in the first place. God inspired real people Through the Holy Spirit -- to write down exactly what He wanted written. In the case of Genesis -- Moses was the human person being used. And I've found it interesting that the names of the rivers are used. chapter 2:10-14.
How can this world have meaning and purpose without knowing how it got here in the first place. Genesis tells us that. On what day the various animals, etc. were spoken into existence and that the 'evening and the morning' were , in fact talking about a 24-hr day. It's saying that 'the day before' such and such did happen.
We have 24-hr days Now. The rotation of the earth around the sun. Do we really believe that That 'just happened' by chance?!
In response to a couple of other posts. So -- apparently Curtis believes in the Gap Theory. The supposed 'gap' between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. But, is there any Real basis for that?!
Bendito -- doesn't the old earth idea Promote evolution. The older the earth the more time --millions of years -- for 'whatever' To develop?!
Apparently dinosaurs were created the same time the land animals were.
The word "apparently" was included in that one post. And "might have been". Speculation should Not be assumed to be Fact.
'We' tend to assumed that because there is a 'Dr' in front of a person's name, that everything they say is absolutely right. That there is no 'agenda'. Well -- Everyone has an agenda - it's part of being human.
And, yes, I will look up about the nuclear reactor.
Loyal
Forgive me sue. I'll answer more on the computer tomorrow. I said earlier that Old Earth or Gap theory totally negates evolution whereas the young Earth belief does not
Loyal
I was just looking up the 1.8 billion year old nuclear reactor reaction sight Gabon Rep. --- one of my thoughts is that God Did create this world With age so that it could accommodate Adam and Eve's lives -- just like God created Adam and Eve old enough to produce children together.
Another thought is that Because of the ground being ground-up during the world-wide flood, That mineral deposits and such would Also appear to be much older. And it Was a Natural reaction taking place -- having Had taken place. No people had built a nuclear reactor. The various 'products' / uranium, etc. were inter-acting with each other.
Another thought is that Because of the ground being ground-up during the world-wide flood, That mineral deposits and such would Also appear to be much older. And it Was a Natural reaction taking place -- having Had taken place. No people had built a nuclear reactor. The various 'products' / uranium, etc. were inter-acting with each other.
Loyal
Dear Lady....now you're speculating....Here! Put aside, for the moment, all preconceived ideas, and theories. Read what the Word says only. In the beginning, God created (created- past tense- finished) the heavens and the Earth. 2 And the earth was tohu vavohu (The first word for "was" is the word for "BECAME ) So God created, the Earth became without form and void.
Here's a bit I really like. God said, 3 "Let there be light". No sun, no stars....where did the light come from? Light = a revelation of God. The light came directly from God.
5 God divided the waters...(the waters were already there) and gathered the waters into one place. 9. Let the dry land appear. It did. The land was already there...God simply moved the water out of the way. 11 "Let the Earth bring forth grass and herbs according to their kind....The Earth already held the seeds.
14 God said "Let there be lights in the firmament. Now here he could have made the stars etc...but (a bit of speculation on my part) God may have created the sun moon stars etc at that time but...If my understanding of events is correct, there would have been a massive and dense dust cloud totally obscuring the sky around the Earth. And God cleared that out of there, letting the sun et all shine on the Earth again.
Needless to say He would have needed to recreate all the animals on land and in the water. Then of course....Man.
Sue...Notice that God called these things up....Only in vs 20-23 and verse 26 does it say God created...That is to say, after His first creation of the Earth itself.
I did not use any other source for what I just said but the Word itself....What does the Word say? New Earth proponents use Word and a lot of Churchianity doctrine, but if you use Word alone and do 'word studies' using the original Hebrew (Aramaic) its not too obscure.
Loyal
Okay -- how about 'this' -- "In the beginning .......(this morning) ..... God created ....(I made)..... the heavens and the earth......( a cake). Now the bowl was empty -- but it was made out of (whatever a bowl is made out of) and then I put in an egg -- but it separated -- the yoke and the egg were 'taken apart'. And then the flower was added --a little at a time -- then salt and butter were added. And it was All mixed together -- and it became a 'cake'.
So -- I'm sharing the fact that I made a cake and then I started explaining the process of -- used an empty bowl and explained what I put into the bowl until I had all the ingredients needed and Then it became the cake that I started out telling that I made.
God created this world -- He did it His way -- and has told us step by step how He did it. Sometimes what God does, doesn't make complete sense to us. The words 'was' and 'became' are two different words and meanings.
Does a person Want a gap between vs 1 and 2 ? that leaves all sorts of 'room' for lots of things and finally a re-creation?
So -- I'm sharing the fact that I made a cake and then I started explaining the process of -- used an empty bowl and explained what I put into the bowl until I had all the ingredients needed and Then it became the cake that I started out telling that I made.
God created this world -- He did it His way -- and has told us step by step how He did it. Sometimes what God does, doesn't make complete sense to us. The words 'was' and 'became' are two different words and meanings.
Does a person Want a gap between vs 1 and 2 ? that leaves all sorts of 'room' for lots of things and finally a re-creation?
Loyal
You've referred to 'it' as a computer. It's actually called the Antikythera Mechanism. And it's origin is between 200 - 70 BCE. That's what you were referring to? I've been trying to relocate your post.
Loyal
Sue...'Created' and 'made' are not the same thing. Created means to bring into being from nothing...Made means to assemble ingredients/ materials to bring something into existence. God did not assemble the Earth...He created it. His Words became fact. It became solid
Gods word tells us what is important to our salvation, health, wealth and welfare....There is much that the bible does not tell us. If God put everything into the bible you would need a moving van to carry the book to church.
Loyal
Log In or Sign Up
The Antikythera mechanism is a 2,000-year-old computer
115 years ago, divers found a hunk of bronze off a Greek island. It changed our understanding of human history.
By Brian Resnick@B_resnick[email protected] Updated May 17, 2017, 12:19pm EDT
Share
A picture taken at the Archaeological Museum in Athens on September 14, 2014 shows a piece of the Antikythera Mechanism.
LOUISA GOULIAMAKI/AFP/Getty Image
One hundred fifteen years ago, an archeologist was sifting through objects found in the wreck of a 2,000-year-old vessel off the Greek island Antikythera. Among the wreck’s treasures — beautiful vases and pots, jewelry, a bronze statue of an ancient philosopher — was the most peculiar thing: a series of brass gears and dials mounted in a case the size of a mantel clock. Archeologists dubbed the instrument the Antikythera mechanism. The genius — and mystery — of this piece of ancient Greek technology, arguably the world’s first computer, is why Google is highlighting it today in a Google Doodle.
What is the Antikythera mechanism?
At first glance, the piece of brass found near the wreck looks like something you might find in a junkyard or hanging on the wall of a maritime-themed dive bar. What remains of the mechanism is a set of rusted brass gears sandwiched into a rotting wooden box.
The front side of the Antikythera mechanism. Wikimedia Commons The backside. Wikimedia Commons
But if you look into the machine, you see evidence of at least two dozen gears, laid neatly on top of one another, calibrated with the precision of a master-crafted Swiss watch. This was a level of technology that archeologists would usually date to the 16th century, not well before the first.
But a mystery remained: What was this contraption used for?
The world’s first mechanical computer?
To archeologists, it was immediately apparent that the mechanism was some sort of clock, calendar, or calculating device. But they had no idea what it was for. For decades, they debated: Was the Antikythera a toy model of the planets? Or perhaps it was an early astrolabe (a device to calculate latitude)?
In 1959, Princeton science historian Derek J. de Solla Price provided the most thorough scientific analysis of the contraption to date. After a careful study of the gears, he deduced that the mechanism was used to predict the position of the planets and stars in the sky depending on the calendar month. A main gear would move to represent the calendar year, and would, in turn, move many separate smaller gears to represent the motions of the planets, sun, and moon.
So you could set the main gear to the calendar date and get approximations for where those celestial objects would be in the sky on that date.
And Price declared in the pages of Scientific American that it was a computer: “The mechanism is like a great astronomical clock ... or like a modern analogue computer which uses mechanical parts to save tedious calculation.”
It was a computer in the sense that you, as a user, could input a few simple variables and it would yield a flurry of complicated mathematical calculations. Today the programming of computers is written in digital code — series of ones and zeros. This ancient clock had its code written into the mathematical ratios of its gears. All the user had to do was enter the main date on one gear, and through a series of subsequent gear turns, the mechanism could calculate things like the angle of the sun crossing the sky. (For some reference, mechanical calculators — which used gear ratios to add and subtract — didn’t arrive in Europe until the 1600s.)
Scientists have learned even more about how the Antikythera mechanism works
A modern reconstruction of the mechanism. LOUISA GOULIAMAKI/AFP/Getty Images
Since Price’s assessment, modern X-ray and 3D mapping technology have allowed scientists to peer deeper into the remains of the mechanism and learn even more of its secrets.
In the 2000s, researchers revealed text — a kind of instruction manual — inscribed on parts of the mechanism that had never been seen before.
The text — written in tiny typeface but legible ancient Greek — helped them complete the puzzle of what the machine did and how it was operated. In all, it’s astounding.
The mechanism had several dials and clock faces, each which served a different function for measuring movements of the sun, moon, stars, and planets, but they were all operated by one main crank:
- Little stone or glass orbs that would have moved across the machine’s face to show the motion of Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn, and Jupiter in the night sky
- The position of the sun and moon, relative to the 12 constellations of the zodiac
- Another dial forecasting solar and lunar eclipses — and, oddly, predictions about their color. (Researchers guess that different colored eclipses were considered omens of the future. The ancient Greeks were a little superstitious.)
- A solar calendar, charting the 365 days of the year
- A lunar calendar, counting a 19-year lunar cycle
- A tiny pearl-size ball that rotated to show you the phase of the moon
- And this is pretty neat: another dial of the mechanism that counted down the days to regularly scheduled sporting events around the Greek isles, like the Olympics
Researchers are still not sure who, exactly, used it. Did scientists build it to aid their calculations? Or was it a type of a teaching tool, to show students the math that held the cosmos together? Was it unique? Or are there more similar devices yet to be discovered?
Its assembly remains another mystery. How the ancient Greeks accomplished this feat is unknown to this day.
Whatever it was used for and however it was built, we know this: Its discovery changed our understanding of human history, and reminds us that flashes of genius are possible in every human age.
"Nothing like this instrument is preserved elsewhere. Nothing comparable to it is known from any ancient scientific text or literary allusion,” Price wrote in 1959. “It is a bit frightening, to know that just before the fall of their great civilization the ancient Greeks had come so close to our age, not only in their thought, but also in their scientific technology.”
Check out a modern reconstruction of the mechanism in the video below.
Correction: The article originally misstated the timeline of events that led to the discovery of the mechanism. The wreck off the coast of Antikythera was discovered in 1900 by a group of fishermen. It wasn’t until May 1902 that the Antikythera mechanism was identified by an archeologist (today is the anniversary).
Member
.
If the universe continues long enough (really long) it will become dark and frozen because the stars, including our Sun, will eventually use up all their nuclear fuel.
My initial reaction to that fact was to assume that the universe was designed that way; but I'm not so sure because it appears to me that Rom 8:19-21 is saying that the cosmos wasn't supposed to wear out; just as human life was not supposed to expire.
_
If the universe continues long enough (really long) it will become dark and frozen because the stars, including our Sun, will eventually use up all their nuclear fuel.
My initial reaction to that fact was to assume that the universe was designed that way; but I'm not so sure because it appears to me that Rom 8:19-21 is saying that the cosmos wasn't supposed to wear out; just as human life was not supposed to expire.
_
Loyal
The fact that the universe will grow cold and dead is an assumption, speculation...There is nothing to make it a fact...
Member
.
● Rev 20:11 . .Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from His presence, and there was no place for them.
● Rev 21:1 . .Then I saw a new heaven and a new Earth, for the first heaven and the first Earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Those are interesting passages. They indicate that not only will the current Earth be utterly annihilated, but there will be no vast deposit of water on the new Earth as there is now. How will life on land survive without a regular supply of fresh water evaporated from the ocean? Plus, without an ocean, there can be no rivers.
The future Earth is very peculiar.
_
● Rev 20:11 . .Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from His presence, and there was no place for them.
● Rev 21:1 . .Then I saw a new heaven and a new Earth, for the first heaven and the first Earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Those are interesting passages. They indicate that not only will the current Earth be utterly annihilated, but there will be no vast deposit of water on the new Earth as there is now. How will life on land survive without a regular supply of fresh water evaporated from the ocean? Plus, without an ocean, there can be no rivers.
The future Earth is very peculiar.
_
Loyal
Bendito --- Yes, I did read that article about the mechanism. I'm always skeptical about Anything that would put the age of this earth at hundreds of thousands/ millions of years of age.
Mainly because 'way back when' -- there was supposedly a skelatin of a kind of dinausar in a museum --- turns out that is was a practical joke by some students who got some cadaver bones and put together a skeletin -- even when it was discovered to be a fake - - there were the experts who decided to let it stay as a Fact.
Look at all the 'fake' news we get today.
Internet gets all sorts of articles -- a person needs to be careful as to the source Of. And people Do explore and discover all sorts of interesting relics. The unusual findings get our curiosity going. We like to speculate on the hows and whys of various
Who the Nephilin were -- the great men of renown.
The last big paragraph in your article sums 'it' up pretty well. "Researchers are still not sure who exactly used it.........that flashes of genuis are possible in every human age. " In the evolutionary tree there are at least several 'human ages' that were existing 'way back when'. But God's Word tells us that He created the first man and woman.
We might Also think about the Tower of Babel when God took the people from one language and separated them into groups when He created all the various languages. God had told them to be fruitful and multiply and go forth geographically. However, they didn't want to spread out -- they liked being all together. That's when they got the idea to try to build a stairway 'up to heaven'. At least as far up in the sky as they could see. Part of the result was as the various groups kept to themselves Because of their common language -- inability to understand anyone else. Certain physical features emerged. The Chinese , Japanese, various Indian groups, etc. There were the Pygmies, and some really taller, huskier groups. And it might have seemed to be evolution taking place. But people were and always have been people -- simply in a great variety of shapes and sizes and colors.
And through the years -- various nationalities inter-marry with other groups of people and more and more diversity takes place.
Mainly because 'way back when' -- there was supposedly a skelatin of a kind of dinausar in a museum --- turns out that is was a practical joke by some students who got some cadaver bones and put together a skeletin -- even when it was discovered to be a fake - - there were the experts who decided to let it stay as a Fact.
Look at all the 'fake' news we get today.
Internet gets all sorts of articles -- a person needs to be careful as to the source Of. And people Do explore and discover all sorts of interesting relics. The unusual findings get our curiosity going. We like to speculate on the hows and whys of various
Who the Nephilin were -- the great men of renown.
The last big paragraph in your article sums 'it' up pretty well. "Researchers are still not sure who exactly used it.........that flashes of genuis are possible in every human age. " In the evolutionary tree there are at least several 'human ages' that were existing 'way back when'. But God's Word tells us that He created the first man and woman.
We might Also think about the Tower of Babel when God took the people from one language and separated them into groups when He created all the various languages. God had told them to be fruitful and multiply and go forth geographically. However, they didn't want to spread out -- they liked being all together. That's when they got the idea to try to build a stairway 'up to heaven'. At least as far up in the sky as they could see. Part of the result was as the various groups kept to themselves Because of their common language -- inability to understand anyone else. Certain physical features emerged. The Chinese , Japanese, various Indian groups, etc. There were the Pygmies, and some really taller, huskier groups. And it might have seemed to be evolution taking place. But people were and always have been people -- simply in a great variety of shapes and sizes and colors.
And through the years -- various nationalities inter-marry with other groups of people and more and more diversity takes place.
Loyal
LOLOL During the white throne judgement the Earth is actually a ball of flame wandering around space...Where the Earth is now is where the 'court' is held. the Great White Throne Judgment. Then God remakes the Earth. Yeah...no mountains, no oceans. Its not that strange though....Before the flood there was never any rain,
Loyal
You do realize that the original earth -- garden of Eden didn't have rain. Not until the flood waters. There were underground water reservors that watered the ground. Genesis 2: 4 - 7 And there were also 3 rivers mentioned later in that chapter -- the Pishon, Gihon, Tigris.
With new, glorified bodies, will we Need to eat and drink? We will once again be in the world that God originally created for us. Hard to imagine. This world has been corrupted by sin. The new one won't be. Kind of neat to look forward to.