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Hi. Do you have access to a Bible? If so, try reading John's gospel. It was written by one of Jesus' closest disciples as an account of Jesus' life and teaching. Take it slowly, it's quite poetic and dense in style. I'd be really interested to know what you make of it, and if it helps you understand what Christians believe about Jesus.
 
Hi. Do you have access to a Bible? If so, try reading John's gospel. It was written by one of Jesus' closest disciples as an account of Jesus' life and teaching. Take it slowly, it's quite poetic and dense in style. I'd be really interested to know what you make of it, and if it helps you understand what Christians believe about Jesus.
I had question regarding John 5:30
Jesus said I can of myself do thing but I have also heard he healed sick and raised dead! Can you explain please
 
I had question regarding John 5:30
Jesus said I can of myself do thing but I have also heard he healed sick and raised dead! Can you explain please
It just means he does everything by God & God alone, he doesn't act on his own behalf.
 
Why do many Christians preach miracles of Jesus when it was God who did it then?
Like they're taking some kind of credit for it? I've never thought about it that way, I've always thought that they talk about his miracles because they view them as evidence of his existence and power.

Very interesting.
 
Like they're taking some kind of credit for it? I've never thought about it that way, I've always thought that they talk about his miracles because they view them as evidence of his existence and power.

Very interesting.
Ya even while researching I found other verses which say the same thing.

how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
Acts 10:38

"Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Acts 2:22

This is amazing to me too because my religion also teaches Jesus healed sick and rose dead by the power given to him by God
 
I had question regarding John 5:30
Jesus said I can of myself do thing but I have also heard he healed sick and raised dead! Can you explain please

Really good to see that you are reading John's gospel. I hope it's not too heavy going. Here's the background to the verse you asked about

Now in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate there is a pool, called in Hebrew Beth-zatha, which has five porticoes. In these lay many invalids—blind, lame, and paralysed. One man was there who had been ill for thirty-eight years. When Jesus saw him lying there and knew that he had been there a long time, he said to him, ‘Do you want to be made well?’ The sick man answered him, ‘Sir, I have no one to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up; and while I am making my way, someone else steps down ahead of me.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Stand up, take your mat and walk.’ At once the man was made well, and he took up his mat and began to walk.

Now that day was a sabbath. So the Jews said to the man who had been cured, ‘It is the sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your mat.’ But he answered them, ‘The man who made me well said to me, “Take up your mat and walk.”’ They asked him, ‘Who is the man who said to you, “Take it up and walk”?’ Now the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had disappeared in the crowd that was there. Later Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, ‘See, you have been made well! Do not sin any more, so that nothing worse happens to you.’ The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. Therefore the Jews started persecuting Jesus, because he was doing such things on the sabbath. But Jesus answered them, ‘My Father is still working, and I also am working.’ For this reason the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because he was not only breaking the sabbath, but was also calling God his own Father, thereby making himself equal to God.

Jesus said to them, ‘Very truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise. The Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing; and he will show him greater works than these, so that you will be astonished. Indeed, just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whomsoever he wishes.​

In the gospel of John, "Jews" often means "Pharisees". The Pharisees were a powerful group at the time and they placed great value on private religious observance, and had a very strict interpretation of the Law. The Ten Commandments says "Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. Six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work". The Pharisees introduced many additional rules to clarify exactly what could and could not be done on the sabbath. One of their rules was that it was not permissible to carry anything - and that's where the quarrel begins in this story. Jesus told the man to pick up his mat, and that fell foul of their rules.

Jesus - to the exasperation of the Pharisees - responds by saying that the Father is at work, and so he is at work too.

In the flow of the argument, "the Son can do nothing on his own" does not mean that Jesus is saying, "I am useless without the Father", he is saying "Everything you see me doing is what the Father is doing".

Does that help explain it? Tell me if not, I'll gladly say more if it will help.
 
Really good to see that you are reading John's gospel. I hope it's not too heavy going. Here's the background to the verse you asked about

Now in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate there is a pool, called in Hebrew Beth-zatha, which has five porticoes. In these lay many invalids—blind, lame, and paralysed. One man was there who had been ill for thirty-eight years. When Jesus saw him lying there and knew that he had been there a long time, he said to him, ‘Do you want to be made well?’ The sick man answered him, ‘Sir, I have no one to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up; and while I am making my way, someone else steps down ahead of me.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Stand up, take your mat and walk.’ At once the man was made well, and he took up his mat and began to walk.

Now that day was a sabbath. So the Jews said to the man who had been cured, ‘It is the sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your mat.’ But he answered them, ‘The man who made me well said to me, “Take up your mat and walk.”’ They asked him, ‘Who is the man who said to you, “Take it up and walk”?’ Now the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had disappeared in the crowd that was there. Later Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, ‘See, you have been made well! Do not sin any more, so that nothing worse happens to you.’ The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. Therefore the Jews started persecuting Jesus, because he was doing such things on the sabbath. But Jesus answered them, ‘My Father is still working, and I also am working.’ For this reason the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because he was not only breaking the sabbath, but was also calling God his own Father, thereby making himself equal to God.

Jesus said to them, ‘Very truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise. The Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing; and he will show him greater works than these, so that you will be astonished. Indeed, just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whomsoever he wishes.​

In the gospel of John, "Jews" often means "Pharisees". The Pharisees were a powerful group at the time and they placed great value on private religious observance, and had a very strict interpretation of the Law. The Ten Commandments says "Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. Six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work". The Pharisees introduced many additional rules to clarify exactly what could and could not be done on the sabbath. One of their rules was that it was not permissible to carry anything - and that's where the quarrel begins in this story. Jesus told the man to pick up his mat, and that fell foul of their rules.

Jesus - to the exasperation of the Pharisees - responds by saying that the Father is at work, and so he is at work too.

In the flow of the argument, "the Son can do nothing on his own" does not mean that Jesus is saying, "I am useless without the Father", he is saying "Everything you see me doing is what the Father is doing".

Does that help explain it? Tell me if not, I'll gladly say more if it will help.
As I said in my previous comment, I did a research on if Jesus did raise dead/heal sick himself but Bible says it's father who did the healing through him.

how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
Acts 10:38

"Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Acts 2:22
 
As I said in my previous comment, I did a research on if Jesus did raise dead/heal sick himself but Bible says it's father who did the healing through him.

how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
Acts 10:38

"Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Acts 2:22

I don't see the logical difficulty here. If you read what Jesus says about the balance of what the Father and Son in John -

‘Very truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise. The Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing; and he will show him greater works than these, so that you will be astonished. Indeed, just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whomsoever he wishes.
- the Son and the Father are in complete unity. What the Father does, the Son does. The passages from Acts that you quoted don't contradict this.

And Jesus also claims that he gives life to whomsoever he chooses. That's not a claim that any mere man could make.
 
As I said in my previous comment, I did a research on if Jesus did raise dead/heal sick himself but Bible says it's father who did the healing through him.

how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
Acts 10:38

"Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Acts 2:22

Good morning OneGodBeliever;
I have listened to several Islam apologists on a few dozen occasions and their efforts resort to the same tactic of using the Bible to defeat the Bible regarding the role of Jesus. I have never fully understood why such a tactic is necessary while claiming the Bible was corrupted by the Christians. Which passages do they usually quote? The ones corrupted by the Christians.

As Hekuran has stated, the passages you quote do not contradict anything written about Jesus. If he was God manifest in the flesh, who else would do them?

Using your logic, who worked through Muhammad to compose the Quran? Did Muhammad do the work, or did Allah do the work through him?
 
I don't see the logical difficulty here. If you read what Jesus says about the balance of what the Father and Son in John -

‘Very truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise. The Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing; and he will show him greater works than these, so that you will be astonished. Indeed, just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whomsoever he wishes.
- the Son and the Father are in complete unity. What the Father does, the Son does. The passages from Acts that you quoted don't contradict this.

And Jesus also claims that he gives life to whomsoever he chooses. That's not a claim that any mere man could make.
Bible clearly says:
Son can do nothing on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing.
It does not agree with what you said as what the father does, the son does. The son does what his father gives him power to do. Can you tell me any verse which says Jesus can specifically do something without fathers help?
 
Good morning OneGodBeliever;
I have listened to several Islam apologists on a few dozen occasions and their efforts resort to the same tactic of using the Bible to defeat the Bible regarding the role of Jesus. I have never fully understood why such a tactic is necessary while claiming the Bible was corrupted by the Christians. Which passages do they usually quote? The ones corrupted by the Christians.

As Hekuran has stated, the passages you quote do not contradict anything written about Jesus. If he was God manifest in the flesh, who else would do them?

Using your logic, who worked through Muhammad to compose the Quran? Did Muhammad do the work, or did Allah do the work through him?
I have no agenda here. I'm doing Google searches and I'm quoting what's coming up. I'm not saying bible contradicts bible but what people say and what Bible says. When bible says God did miracles through Jesus it's no contradiction in bible. Both the verses say the same thing. If there is any verse which might say otherwise I will do research on it
 
Bible clearly says:
Son can do nothing on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing.
It does not agree with what you said as what the father does, the son does. The son does what his father gives him power to do. Can you tell me any verse which says Jesus can specifically do something without fathers help?

I can't think of any verse that says Jesus can do something without the Father's help. It's a bit of an abstract question. Jesus is in total unity with the Father. The verse following the one you quoted says that the Son gives life.

I hope I'm not being blind to anything here, but I cannot see what the difficulty is. Could you make it really clear where you see the contradiction? I'll do my best to answer.
 
I can't think of any verse that says Jesus can do something without the Father's help. It's a bit of an abstract question. Jesus is in total unity with the Father. The verse following the one you quoted says that the Son gives life.

I hope I'm not being blind to anything here, but I cannot see what the difficulty is. Could you make it really clear where you see the contradiction? I'll do my best to answer.
The point I'm making is Son does give life but with the power father has given him. Now to say son gives life on his own(not by power given to him by father) is a very strong claim and has huge difference and needs to be proven.

I see contradiction in bible vs people where bible says Jesus does miracles which God actually did through him and people say Jesus did it absolutely on his own
 
OK. Thanks for clear explanation @OneGodBeliever. I understand what you are saying a little better now. I think it would be more accurate to say "authority" rather than "power", but that's probably a minor point.

Have you read any further in John's gospel? Would love to read your observations on the next chapters.
 
Good evening OneGodBeliever;
I apologize if I sounded harsh. I am in no way discouraging you from being here and learning. It is not and never will be my intent to do so.

This may sound a bit confusing as it comes from the Old Testament prophet, Isaiah. This verse predicts the birth and purpose of Jesus of Nazareth:

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

My pastor issued this today which dealt with a different topic, but it is relevant to your query (I think). It is taken from the book of John, who was one of the twelve apostles whom Jesus picked out.

John 10:11-18
10:11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
10:12 The hired hand, who is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and runs away--and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.
10:13 The hired hand runs away because a hired hand does not care for the sheep.
10:14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,
10:15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father. And I lay down my life for the sheep.
10:16 I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
10:17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life in order to take it up again.
10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it up again. I have received this command from my Father."

I know it may be much to consider. What do you think? Cheers, John
 
OK. Thanks for clear explanation @OneGodBeliever. I understand what you are saying a little better now. I think it would be more accurate to say "authority" rather than "power", but that's probably a minor point.

Have you read any further in John's gospel? Would love to read your observations on the next chapters.
Yeah, still reading and will tell you after I have finish reading it. So much to read.
 
Good morning OneGodBeliever;
There is no such verse as the relationship between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit does not permit it. They exist in unity and harmony. The best verse I can come up with is this one:
Matthew 28:18 - "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." It's a bold statement for Jesus to claim all authority is his unless it is true.

John 14:26 - "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

The person speaking is Stephen, a disciple who preached the gospel to the Jews. The Jewish elders took great offense to his words and killed him. My understanding is that the term "right hand" is to mean an executor of policy.
Acts 7:55 - "But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Acts 7:56 - "And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."

The relationship of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit describes a triune God, three in one. While the Bible says they are distinct, they are not independent of each other and do not act on their own apart from each other. The Holy Spirit does not seek its own glory, but glorifies the Son. The Son is glorified through the Father who in turn is glorified through the Son. The central person in this is now Jesus who was God made manifest in the flesh. It is through Jesus that we go through as his blood was shed to atone for our sin (falling short).

Does any of this help you in your search? Otherwise, I fail to understand why you need to find a verse in which Jesus claims to work independently on his own. Cheers, John
 
Good morning OneGodBeliever;
I know you have had much to consider regarding Jesus during the past few days. I know that within Islam, Jesus is just another prophet. I fully appreciate that believing in one God as portrayed in the Old Testament and the Quran is easier to understand than a triune God whose Son was sent as a sacrificial lamb to atone for our sin as described in the New Testament, and adds the Holy Spirit as a helper, may add further confusion.

I appreciate that while the Quran mentions some people from the Old Testament, it only mentions two from the New Testament: Mary, and Jesus. No others are mentioned. I understand why because Muhammad did not believe the concept of Jesus being God's only begotten Son, and Jesus being our Redeemer. Therefore, why would it be placed into the Quran? Muhammad had no problem with Jesus being only a prophet. He accepted Mary's miraculous conception although the Quran offers no explanation as to why other than Allah can do as he pleases being Mary's sustainer.

I know Muhammad did not create the Quran on his own, and I agree a spiritual force guided him in its creation. I do not believe the average muslim is a blood thirsty killer. They are people, no different than people on any other part of the planet, who want to raise their children and play with their grand children in peace. This stuff isn't about religion which is believing in a higher power. it's about being joint heirs with a Redeemer who promises peace in this world, hope and eternal life in the next life, and his followers being part of an organization to become his bride, simply called the Church.

I do not say this to threaten or intimidate you into submission. I say it because I want you to know the peace of Christ and inherit eternal life. I cannot nor will I force you. The leading is by the Holy Spirit, not me. It is your decision and I will accept whatever you decide.

Philippians 4:8. "Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things." Cheers, John
 
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