Is Church Tithing an Abomination to God, or Unbiblical?

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Thank you for your prayers.

I agree, the church is fallible just as we are, yet God still sees fit to use us.

Jesus sought to correct the church by sharply pointing out her errors. But in this era I fear the outlook is not so good. As the end of the age draws near, I expect most of the church will grow increasingly cold.

Peace

Simon

Hey my brother Simon, I was watching a video and i thought about you.
Please take a listen. You were talking about the waste in the big churches listen to this.

 

[Simon]

Hey my brother Simon, I was watching a video and i thought about you.
Please take a listen. You were talking about the waste in the big churches listen to this.

Thank you for posting this video, I watched the whole film.
This fits well into exactly some of the issues I've raised, though Francis is more eloquent.
I like his analogy where large churches are like an orphanage, but small home churches are like an adoption...
It sounds like he had to be convicted by the Holy Spirit repeatedly before he got it, and took action.

It's also good to see that a pastor was invited to Facebook HQ to speak, even if by a smaller group.

Simon

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Thank you for posting this video, I watched the whole film.
This fits well into exactly some of the issues I've raised, though Francis is more eloquent.
I like his analogy where large churches are like an orphanage, but small home churches are like an adoption...
It sounds like he had to be convicted by the Holy Spirit repeatedly before he got it, and took action.

It's also good to see that a pastor was invited to Facebook HQ to speak, even if by a smaller group.

Simon

I like how he talked about his operation was costing millions and he was asking himself how come others can go to church in other countries for free.
Great question.

-WNL

 

[Dave M]

Fancis Chan Rocks one of the best

 

[Hekuran]

Yes. He's said many things I have believed for a long time, but have not really found the words for. Refreshingly honest.

 

[Simon]

I like how he talked about his operation was costing millions and he was asking himself how come others can go to church in other countries for free.
Great question.

-WNL

Hundreds of billions are being spent on church's buildings and staff, and this is counter-productive to true church.
I've attended large churches where half a dozen greeters shake my hands as I walk in or stand in church, and not one knows my name. I roll my eyes at the pointlessness. And they expect me to give hard earned money to an outfit like this...

Imagine if the hundreds of billions was spent on direct generosity, how influential that would be...

Simon

 

[amadeus2]

Hundreds of billions are being spent on church's buildings and staff, and this is counter-productive to true church.
I've attended large churches where half a dozen greeters shake my hands as I walk in or stand in church, and not one knows my name. I roll my eyes at the pointlessness. And they expect me to give hard earned money to an outfit like this...

Imagine if the hundreds of billions was spent on direct generosity, how influential that would be...

Simon

Of course, you are correct about the pointless expenditures while real Bible charity [love] is lacking. People now like the children of Israel in the OT apparently get what they want from it. In the OT they wanted a king and God allowed that, but that slight turn away from Him was the beginning of their bigger slide in the idolatry of the Canaanites they never completely purged. People today very often think they are OK when actually they look a lot like those Israelites of old. Complaining about them won't help much. Putting on charity and loving them will make the more of a difference.

 

[Trevor]

Is Church Tithing an Abomination to God, or Unbiblical?

Tithing, as practiced by Christians, has no Biblical foundation; there's no support for giving 10% of your income to the church. The Bible's primary guidance is that we look after the poor.

Church tithes go here (approximately):
50% Staff salaries
30% Building
10% Missionary (salaries)
0.05% Direct help for the poor (if they're lucky)

Once you understand this, you may well find yourself asking:
Does God despise the church tithe?

Thoughts?

 

[B-A-C]

What is wrong with Pastors and staff being paid?

Luke 10:7; "Stay in that house, eating and drinking what they give you; for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not keep moving from house to house.
1 Tim 5:18; For the Scripture says, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING," and "The laborer is worthy of his wages."

If they are doing God's work, there is nothing wrong with them getting paid for it. However I agree it can sometimes be to excess.
I saw a bumper sticker this week.

Is your pastor in it for the "income" or the "outcome". I think that's true in many cases, but still we should support them.

Mark 12:42; A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which amount to a cent.
Mark 12:43; Calling His disciples to Him, He said to them, "Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the contributors to the treasury;
Mark 12:44; for they all put in out of their surplus, but she, out of her poverty, put in all she owned, all she had to live on."

...besides if we don't support them, they will be added to the list of the poor, and we will need to support them anyway.

 

[KingJ]

Most believers in the OT did not tithe and were not required tithe, so why would you think there's a principal to tithe on pay in the NT?
And how does this work for me or against me?

Every single Jew in the OT was told to tithe. Malachi addressed all Jews. We see this in Malachi 1:1 A prophecy: The word of the LORD to Israel through Malachi.

 

[KingJ]

I have done a 360 degree turn in my life and belief on tithing. I may not always be able to afford paying tithe, but it must be done. I pray for the time I can do so monthly.

It is God's will that we support the church and those in full time ministry.

 

[Dave M]

What is wrong with Pastors and staff being paid?

Luke 10:7; "Stay in that house, eating and drinking what they give you; for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not keep moving from house to house.
1 Tim 5:18; For the Scripture says, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING," and "The laborer is worthy of his wages."

If they are doing God's work, there is nothing wrong with them getting paid for it. However I agree it can sometimes be to excess.
I saw a bumper sticker this week.

Is your pastor in it for the "income" or the "outcome". I think that's true in many cases, but still we should support them.

Mark 12:42; A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which amount to a cent.
Mark 12:43; Calling His disciples to Him, He said to them, "Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the contributors to the treasury;
Mark 12:44; for they all put in out of their surplus, but she, out of her poverty, put in all she owned, all she had to live on."

...besides if we don't support them, they will be added to the list of the poor, and we will need to support them anyway.

very well said brother

 

[Christ4Ever]

Though it may seem that it's all about the Church and what they do with the monies because there are abuses out there. Tithing is about Honoring God. If the churches misuse them. In truth it has greater issues then what it does with what is tithed to Honor God.

The same if you see someone on the street in need. You may not be able to solve their particular problems, but don't be concerned about what they do with the money that you give them in the name of God. Let God work on them, just don't do it as an obligation, but as an act of kindness. Letting them know that God still loves them, and if you have time. Stop and pray over them. You'd be surprised at how much they will value your praying for them, over the money you gave to them.

 

[Brad Huber]

Then there are those who minister to others whenever they can and work a full time job, not wanted in any leadership role in any church or ministry (other than as a unpaid volunteer), because they are not one of the elite. No one lining up to pay me. But I am expected to pay others who would rather quell the spirit of anyone not behind their ministry position. I give to the needy when needed, and to whomever when the spirit leads, but I dont give to organizations (I wont call them churchs and so profane the term) that promote only elitists to minister others in any official paid position.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Then there are those who minister to others whenever they can and work a full time job, not wanted in any leadership role in any church or ministry (other than as a unpaid volunteer), because they are not one of the elite. No one lining up to pay me. But I am expected to pay others who would rather quell the spirit of anyone not behind their ministry position. I give to the needy when needed, and to whomever when the spirit leads, but I dont give to organizations (I wont call them churchs and so profane the term) that promote only elitists to minister others in any official paid position.

Hello Brother,
I did want to like what you had written, if not done in such a general way. I can understand where you are coming from and agree in part with it. I just can't make a generalization that covers all churches in what you have described. There are many Godly, men who make a pittance compared to many others barely able to take care of their own, and are still faithful to their calling. So, I'd feel wrong, in totally ascribing the part you wrote of "quell the spirit of anyone not behind their ministry position" to them. Though you are correct that there those out there as well, and I truly believe a lot of these peoples' work will be burnt on that day who now might think otherwise.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Hekuran]

My church leader left a highly paid job as an accountant in a global organisation to respond to God's call to full time ministry. He's now on a modest wage in a borrowed house. Treasures in heaven.

The vast, vast majority of church leaders and Christian workers are humbly working to build up small churches and receiving little recognition in return.

 

[Trevor]

Every single Jew in the OT was told to tithe. Malachi addressed all Jews. We see this in Malachi 1:1 A prophecy: The word of the LORD to Israel through Malachi.

When I spoke about tithing I was talking about God speaking to me and my reaction to him, it was nothing to do with doctrine or the old or new testaments. It seems however by the reactions in talk jesus that as usual, like most Christian sites, when someone mentions giving many find any excuse not to. sad.

 

[Christ4Ever]

When I spoke about tithing I was talking about God speaking to me and my reaction to him, it was nothing to do with doctrine or the old or new testaments. It seems however by the reactions in talk jesus that as usual, like most Christian sites, when someone mentions giving many find any excuse not to. sad.

Hello Trevor
Agree. Happens that way sometimes. The Love of Money!

However, I won't necessarily attribute that way to those who have replied here. Most with little exception are solid Believers, who believe it or not find it a joy to delve deeply into God's Word and so the varied responses.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Beresheet]

Tithing is necessary to keep the doors open and everything in good shape in the church. And a person should help support where one is being fed the word of God. It’s a thing like this, if your being taught something new every time your in church, and you are being challenged in the strong meat of Gods word, my friends you have a good church. If your not getting the strong meat of God, your had best find a church that teaches the strong meat. It’s a sin within itself not to learn the strong meat. If one does not know and understand the strong meat, chances are good that they will worship anti christ by mistake.

Sorry, got off message, may be someone needed that, I don’t know. If God’s word is taught as it should be, line by line and verse by verse, starting at Genesis 1:1 and move forward, not skipping nothing, all the way to the end of Revelation. It must be taught in that manner for everything to tie in.

Tithing is good in this manner. If one wants to tithe, then give what you can. You here the amount 10%. That is ok if it’s 10% of what is left out of your pay check after paying all necessary things you must have to live. If one can do more than that praise God. Gods wants you take care of your self and tithe what you can. God doesn’t want one to do without.

What is way out of line is the BIG MONEY TV CHURCHES that spend 90% fundraising and 10% teaching. There is nothing wrong to a point for fundraising but don’t make it a constant stream of beggary. When the stream is only money money money that’s ungodly.

 

[KingJ]

When I spoke about tithing I was talking about God speaking to me and my reaction to him, it was nothing to do with doctrine or the old or new testaments. It seems however by the reactions in talk jesus that as usual, like most Christian sites, when someone mentions giving many find any excuse not to. sad.

Hi Trevor, my reply was to Simon. I would like to reply to you, but not sure which part of your post # 208 is yours.

We must give. The fact that every Jew in the OT was told to tithe is something a Christian / His people in the NT cannot ignore.