The Book of Revelation

[Dave M]

In the book of Revelation there is a part that describes the souls under the throne, who are these souls?Revelation 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne.

 

[Waggles]

In the book of Revelation there is a part that describes the souls under the throne, who are these souls?

Actually these souls are not under any throne, but are clearly described as being under an altar - an altar is traditionally a bench or table for sacrifices -
which describes accurately the sacrifice of martyrs for the Word of God.

It is pretty self explanatory - all souls martyred for the Gospel from Stephen (Acts 7) to whomever will be the last person to faithfully die for preaching the Gospel
of salvation right up to the day that Jesus returns with his angels to put an end to the catastrophe of world war (Armageddon).

Preaching the full Gospel of salvation is still not popular and even mocked and ridiculed by many in supposedly "Christian" societies, such as America and Australia.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Matthew 5:

There may also be included in this population of souls under the altar, prophets from the Old Testament -such as Isaiah and others slain by the Levite Priesthood -
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mathew 23:

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren,
that should be killed as they, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 6:

 

[Dave M]

I think they are the souls that come to Christ at the time of tribulation, because all other souls during the rapture are transformed to there new Bodies is my understanding, and the rapture is before the tribulation, so at the time of rapture everyone gets there new body, so the souls that are saved during tribulation do not actually get a new body yet for the rest of the martyrs have to die for one thing I think

 

[Waggles]

I think they are the souls that come to Christ at the time of tribulation,

I pray that you Americans would let go of this Jesuit nonsense about the seven year tribulation and the rapture of souls by means of a secret returning of
Jesus prior to the Day of the Lord.
It is unscriptural.
We are commanded to watch and pray, and to preach the gospel until the very end. Right up to the return of our Lord.
This will be a great testing of Christians; mainstream, evangelical and Pentecostal. And yes there will be a great falling away.
And those suffering war and calamity will attack those Christians rejoicing in the Spirit and preaching the full Gospel of salvation.

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Matthew 10:

 

[Dave M]

nothing secrete about the rapture all will see it
I find the study of Eschatology absolutely fascinating, cant wait for the rapture in a twinkle of the eye

Who will occupy the Millennial Kingdom?
There will be two distinct groups occupying the Earth during the millennial kingdom—those with glorified bodies, and those with earthly bodies who lived through the tribulation and on into the millennial kingdom. Those with glorified bodies consist of the Church, receiving glorified bodies at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23, 51-53), and those who are resurrected after Christ returns to Earth (Revelation 20:4-6). Those who have earthly bodies can be subdivided into two groups: believing Gentiles and believing Jews (Israel).

 

[Waggles]

I find the study of Eschatology absolutely fascinating, cant wait for the rapture in a twinkle of the eye

Your heading for a very big disappointment.
The work of the saints and the Body of Christ is established and ongoing. Our great commission is to preach the Gospel and to uphold the integrity of
our testimonies (our walk in the Spirit and faithfulness).
This needs to be continued right through the last days, more so because people are still searching for truth. Given how evil the days are, our commission
is of great value - already those who hate Jesus are attacking the Gospel and those who proclaim it.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man comes.
Matthew 25:

Jesus is coming back for his Church, for overcomers, for those who believe and obey the full Apostolic Gospel with signs following.
Only the saints shall be changed in a twinkling of an eye or raised from the dead to be forever with our Lord - the Marriage Feast.
Everybody else shall remain in the grave, and those surviving Armageddon will see the return of Jesus in power and glory with myriads of angels.

 

[Dave M]

not following you but thanks for the response, God bless you

 

[Hitch]

Jesus is coming back for his Church, for overcomers, for those who believe and obey the full Apostolic Gospel with signs following.
Only the saints shall be changed in a twinkling of an eye or raised from the dead to be forever with our Lord - the Marriage Feast.
Everybody else shall remain in the grave, and those surviving Armageddon will see the return of Jesus in power and glory with myriads of angels.




28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

But then what does Jesus know ?

 

[Hitch]

nothing secrete about the rapture all will see it
I find the study of Eschatology absolutely fascinating, cant wait for the rapture in a twinkle of the eye

Who will occupy the Millennial Kingdom?
There will be two distinct groups occupying the Earth during the millennial kingdom—those with glorified bodies, and those with earthly bodies who lived through the tribulation and on into the millennial kingdom. Those with glorified bodies consist of the Church, receiving glorified bodies at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23, 51-53), and those who are resurrected after Christ returns to Earth (Revelation 20:4-6). Those who have earthly bodies can be subdivided into two groups: believing Gentiles and believing Jews (Israel).

Some questions

1; How do you think the mixed kingdom will work logistically?
A. How can the unglorifed see the Lord 'as He is' and live ?
2. What is the point of it all ?
3. Why would Christ return , to again be surrounded by death and sin,.?
4. How do you square it up with J 6;39-54 ?

 

[Hitch]

In the book of Revelation there is a part that describes the souls under the throne, who are these souls?Revelation 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne.

Probably refers primarily to Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: and Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake

Leading to:



34Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.



37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! 38Look, your house is left to you desolate.h 39For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’i


This is part of the covenantal destruction of ancient apostate Israel/Jerusalem. Only there AND then could any person or institution be guilty of the regicide, the stated reason for all this trouble.