Just a Small Mistake

[Brad Huber]

The word "mistake" isn't in the Bible. A mistake seems to infer something was done unwittingly or unknowingly.
Those who refute the Bible or ignore the Bible have no excuse, this is done willingly and knowlingly.
The Holy Spirit will never disagree with the Bible, so for me being led by the Holy Spirit is much the same as
being led by the Bible.

This is not about one person or the other saying something that is not biblical. Surely you understand that different assumptions and hence doctrine is made over verses that can mean different things to different people.

 

[amadeus2]

Your first sentence reminded me of something pretty neat. Its a little off topic, but everytime you or anyone says I am .... hungry, happy, sad, whatever the case may be, you are saying God's name "I AM". So not every sentence with the word "I" is self serving if God's name is in it, so long as the rest of what is said isn't selfish.

Keeping smiling in Jesus, my friend!

 

[B-A-C]

This is not about one person or the other saying something that is not biblical. Surely you understand that different assumptions and hence doctrine is made over verses that can mean different things to different people.

Sorry, I do not.
In the end, it does come down to one on one. You and God. You are responsible for your choices, not some choice
a group that you were part of made.
I believe there is an absolute truth in the Bible. Different assumptions and different interpretations are either made
by ignorance ( everyone is a little bit ignorant at some point ) or by deliberate choices "to be ignorant".

Some "Christians" have been Christians for years (decades even) but they don't know the Bible. They have no desire
to know the Bible, (in fact they have made a conscious choice NOT to know the Bible). So when it comes to things
like homosexuality, adultery, and sexual immorality, they don't have a clue what they really believe about it, or else
they simply believe something someone told them, or something they heard on the internet. Possibly even a pastor.

Other "Christians" do know the Bible, they can quote parts of it very well. But they pick and choose which parts apply to them,
and which parts do not. So even though they "know" the Bible they choose to ignore parts of it.

Even some Atheists know the Bible very well, Satan knows the Bible very well. (he quotes parts of it in the Bible).
My personal "favorite" (tongue in cheek sarcasm) is the "half-versers". Looking through the threads of the last few
weeks, and even just the messages posted today, I have counted over a dozen "half verses". A half-truth is a whole
lie. As the title of this thread says... "a small mistake". But in my view, it's not a "half mistake, or half truth, or small
mistake". It's a whole lie. There is therefore now no condemnation... (end of verse).
All things work together for the good... (end of verse).

Along with the "half-versers" are the "one word changers".
Examples would be... He is "in" us forever, when what the verse says is.. He is "with" us forever.
We are saved by faith "alone". But that verse doesn't say "alone". (However there is a verse in the Bible that says it is NOT faith alone).

These are the things that lead to misinterpretations and false assumptions. Not "small mistakes".

 

[B-A-C]

In Genesis 3... Satan asks Eve... did God really say you will "die"?
The woman knew the right answer. She quoted what God said back to the serpent.
If you eat the fruit... you will die.
So then Satan says... "you will not die".

All it takes is questioning one word. The oldest trick in the book (literally).
When we start doubting God's word.... bad things happen.

Newsflash: Adam and Eve aren't still alive.

But if they never ate of the fruit... they would be.

 

[Bendito]

After the disagreement on the other thread, you went sorta quiet, not posting much, and then started this thread which really "does" address what we were talking about. So if its not about us, on the other thread, its obviously the same issue.

If you want to look at the other issue in the light of this post, that's fine.....Let me know what you come up with....I was thinking of the building of that house....Then I applied that to what I posted....Nothing more..

After the disagreement on the other thread, you went sorta quiet, not posting much, and then started this thread which really "does" address what we were talking about. So if its not about us, on the other thread, its obviously the same issue.

If you want to apply this to the other issue go for it..Let me know what you come up with....I was thinking about the house and how it was off like that....Then I applied it to the Word....I saw a preacher go off, just a little bit...Now based on that he is waaaay off....

 

[Dave M]

If you want to look at the other issue in the light of this post, that's fine.....Let me know what you come up with....I was thinking of the building of that house....Then I applied that to what I posted....Nothing more..

If you want to apply this to the other issue go for it..Let me know what you come up with....I was thinking about the house and how it was off like that....Then I applied it to the Word....I saw a preacher go off, just a little bit...Now based on that he is waaaay off....

who was the preacher?

 

[Brad Huber]

@Bendito and @B-A-C I tend to make my point as led by the Holy Spirit, and then if I see it will only lead to continued arguments, no matter how I support it from scripture, I assume to be speaking to a hardened heart. Because I don't like protracted useless arguments, I tell you both, believe what you will.

 

[Bendito]

Hi @Bendito. I was writing in answer to Brad Huber's question. I'm all for being teachable and answerable, and I am in agreement with what you say in your opening post.

Thank you my friend....I was offline a bit there, and I can understand Brad's opinion.

who was the preacher?

Who was the preacher? Irrelevant...

 

[Dave M]

Thank you my friend....I was offline a bit there, and I can understand Brad's opinion.


Who was the preacher? Irrelevant...

thats what I figured you would say. However I find false teachers not irrelevant should be named out !!

 

[Bendito]

thats what I figured you would say. However I find false teachers not irrelevant should be named out !!

LOL Well you know that I disagree with that...I'm nobody's judge, even if other Christians are.

 

[Bendito]

LOL Well you know that I disagree with that...I'm nobody's judge, even if other Christians are.

There is no scripture that says I should pass judgment on other Christians...I am to judge myself, or serve as an arbiter in a dispute among Christians if asked....There is no other judging at this time...We will judge angels but not humans.

 

[Dave M]

There is no scripture that says I should pass judgment on other Christians...I am to judge myself, or serve as an arbiter in a dispute among Christians if asked....There is no other judging at this time...We will judge angels but not humans.

I used to think that as well, but closer looking at the bible I think of it as do not be judmental, what I mean is if you are correcting someone out of love you had better not be guilty of the same thing, there are plenty examples in the bible where this is true, I think the bible makes it clear on telling us how to judge some one, I mean if a boy says he is a girl I think it is or Christian duty not to agree with him on the matter. But it is certainly safe not to judge anyone or is it are duty?, it is for sure one my biggest things I struggle with. Here are examples of judging in the bible

2 Timothy 4:14
Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds.

3 John 1:10 -9
I have written something to the church, but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority.So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church.

Galatians 2
11But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.a 13And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. 14But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

1 Timothy 5
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. 21In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality.

Matthew 18
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector

So I think its important to show people the error in false teachers that could lead them to hell !! but I agree we must not be judgmental when we do this type of thing, and its a very thin line which I have been guilty of crossing plenty of times, Lord forgive me !!!

 

[Bendito]

I used to think that as well, but closer looking at the bible I think of it as do not be judmental, what I mean is if you are correcting someone out of love you had better not be guilty of the same thing, there are plenty examples in the bible where this is true, I think the bible makes it clear on telling us how to judge some one, I mean if a boy says he is a girl I think it is or Christian duty not to agree with him on the matter. But it is certainly safe not to judge anyone or is it are duty?, it is for sure one my biggest things I struggle with. Here are examples of judging in the bible

2 Timothy 4:14
Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds.

3 John 1:10 -9
I have written something to the church, but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority.So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church.

Galatians 2
11But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.a 13And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. 14But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

1 Timothy 5
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. 21In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality.

Matthew 18
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector

So I think its important to show people the error in false teachers that could lead them to hell !! but I agree we must not be judgmental when we do this type of thing, and its a very thin line which I have been guilty of crossing plenty of times, Lord forgive me !!!

Don't read into the Word what is not there my friend

 

[B-A-C]

Don't read into the Word what is not there my friend

Hmmm... looks like you are judging him here.

1 Cor 5:2; You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.
1 Cor 5:3; For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present.
1 Cor 5:9; I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;
1 Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
1 Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
1 Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

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Matt 18:15; "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
Matt 18:16; "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
Matt 18:17; "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

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Matt 7:4; "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye?
Matt 7:5; "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

There are more... but the fact is... we are supposed to judge those in the church.

John 7:24; "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

1 Cor 6:2; Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?
1 Cor 6:3; Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

1 Cor 11:13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?[/b]

 

[Bendito]

Hmmm... looks like you are judging him here.

1 Cor 5:2; You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.
1 Cor 5:3; For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present.
1 Cor 5:9; I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;
1 Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
1 Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
1 Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

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Matt 18:15; "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
Matt 18:16; "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
Matt 18:17; "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

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Matt 7:4; "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye?
Matt 7:5; "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

There are more... but the fact is... we are supposed to judge those in the church.

John 7:24; "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

1 Cor 6:2; Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?
1 Cor 6:3; Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

1 Cor 11:13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?[/b]

How do you come to the conclusion that a caution is a judgment? These verses all talk about this kind of judgment....
Matthew 16:19 (AMP)
19 I will give you the keys (authority) of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind [forbid, declare to be improper and unlawful] on earth a]">[a]will have [already] been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose [permit, declare lawful] on earth b]">[b]will have [already] been loosed in heaven.” Paul judged that this man's actions were not legal. and told the people what needed to be done about it.
There is a vast difference between judging actions and judging a person.