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Gap Theory

So Brad.....Do you think there are giants now? Of the humanoid variety I mean. I believe there are many of them...

I think that making giants was satans first try at taking over the earth and making angelic/human halfbreeds the replacement for man on this planet and to prove his work was better than Gods. The flood killed nearly all life, but that which is big and heavy would not do well in a flood. :cool: Those with giant blood in post great flood, goliath one of them, was given adversaries with special abilities empowered by God to defeat them (like David), and I think that Giants are no longer considered a viable method of destroying humanity in satans mind. I think his new method is deception, division, demonic interference, and a new angelic/human hybrid that are not giants physically but giants in intellect, and mind powers (I think he, like scientists talk of, can modify the nature of the hybrids while still in embryonic fluids). I think he molds them into the titans of industry and leaders who try hard pretend their abilities are natural instead of modified.
 
I think that making giants was satans first try at taking over the earth and making angelic/human halfbreeds the replacement for man on this planet and to prove his work was better than Gods. The flood killed nearly all life, but that which is big and heavy would not do well in a flood. :cool: Those with giant blood in post great flood, goliath one of them, was given adversaries with special abilities empowered by God to defeat them (like David), and I think that Giants are no longer considered a viable method of destroying humanity in satans mind. I think his new method is deception, division, demonic interference, and a new angelic/human hybrid that are not giants physically but giants in intellect, and mind powers (I think he, like scientists talk of, can modify the nature of the hybrids while still in embryonic fluids). I think he molds them into the titans of industry and leaders who try hard pretend their abilities are natural instead of modified.
I have to agree with you here Brad..Satan and the Nephilim have been playing with genetics since the beginning...Now they also use human scientists to help them...Still......You didn't answer my question...We know that giants existed after the flood, Goliath who was between nine and twelve feet tall as an example, and Og king of Bashan who was around fifteen feet tall...
In the New Covenant there is no mention, that I know of, of giants, but I would still like to know...Do you think giants still exist today?
 
In the New Covenant there is no mention, that I know of, of giants, but I would still like to know...Do you think giants still exist today?
To some small degree no doubt, but they arent being used to physically destroy and devour humanity so far like pre-flood. But no doubt as guards in whatever secret areas they control.
 
To some small degree no doubt, but they arent being used to physically destroy and devour humanity so far like pre-flood. But no doubt as guards in whatever secret areas they control.

There are verified reports of Japanese and American soldiers actually being eaten by fifteen to twenty foot giants during WW2
 
Anyone truly born of water and of the spirit will not be deceived by man or Satan, nothing that that will matter.
People born of water and spirit are deceived every day. Chasing after this then that.

2 Corinthians 11:3 (CJB)
3 and I fear that somehow your minds may be seduced away from simple and pure devotion to the Messiah, just as Havah was deceived by the serpent and his craftiness.

Matthew 24:4 (CJB)
4 Yeshua replied: “Watch out! Don’t let anyone fool you!

Ephesians 5:6 (CJB)
6 Let no one deceive you with empty talk; for it is because of these things that God’s judgment is coming on those who disobey him.

Scripture after scripture after scripture warning us....Yes! One born of water and the Spirit CAN be deceived.
 
I am very curious though....Where did the theory that God gathered all the materials then assembled the world as is taught by churches?
Genesis 1:1 says "God created" The word 'created' is past tense...A complete work..It was finished...In verse 3 and on, God's spirit was hovering over the waters...The waters were already there! Then He called the land up from under the water. The land was already there..He commanded the Earth to grow the plants. The seeds were already there, in the dirt
In verse 14, as I understand it, God started to re-create. The sun, moon, stars, birds and animals, all the runs, flys. and creeps. He had to create them because they would not have survived the destruction that fell upon the Earth...
Many in this forum believe the scientists....Those scientists tell of a giant meteor (ite?) that killed all of the dinosaurs...An extinction event. A planet killer...But they don't want to believe that there might be an event where the Earth had to be rebuilt. I find that strange. That piece of rock was 9 miles across, it made a crater
120 miles across and a few miles deep. Think about it...The rock hits the planet..
A fifteen mile wide rock hits the ground, digs a hole in the Earths crust 60 miles across and 18-20 miles deep. Then this hole collapses, leaving a crater 120 miles across and a few miles deep. Then the center of the crater rebounds and collapses again leaving and profuces an inner ring. What effect do you think would happen to the planet? That one hit the Caribean Sea. Well, more like,it made the Caribean Sea. Now what would happen if several asteroids hit the Earth Suppose one of those rocks made a crater 5000 miles in diameter? After those rocks had knocked Mars onto its side and blew away its atmosphere..Did Earth formed our moon, hit Venus and Mercury too. That's when Earth became without form and void.. That happened, according to your scientists between 3.8 and 4.1 billion years ago.
What caused it all? The fifth planet, the one between Mars and Jupiter blew apart. There is the planet...We call it the asteroid belt...
 
Dear Brother,
Created for us now is past tense in the telling of what happened, not present tense as it was happening.

A few verses I came across that may speak to why many of the churches believe in God's Creation of all things. There are other verses, but these give the gist of the story on Creation.

"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created." Revelation 4:11

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:16

By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. Hebrews 11:3

yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live]. 1 Corinthians 8:6

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother. Now off to bed. Nice Bible study tonight, but still an early day coming up!!!
YBIC
Nick
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Dear Brother,
Created for us now is past tense in the telling of what happened, not present tense as it was happening.

A few verses I came across that may speak to why many of the churches believe in God's Creation of all things. There are other verses, but these give the gist of the story on Creation.

"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created." Revelation 4:11

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:16

By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. Hebrews 11:3

yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live]. 1 Corinthians 8:6

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother. Now off to bed. Nice Bible study tonight, but still an early day coming up!!!
YBIC
Nick
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Of course God created all things... Genesis 1:1 says it...And many other verses as well......Duerme bien mi amigo
 
Of course God created all things... Genesis 1:1 says it...And many other verses as well......Duerme bien mi amigo

In the beginning, God created all things. But some fallen angels trying to be a cheap imitation of God creating things, created the half human, half fallen angel that we called the "giants" that were killed in the flood, except the few that were aquatic and I dont doubt those were destroyed in other ways and then those dead giants became evil spirits roaming the land angry at God and man. God did not create the giants. But even the fallen angels didnt do what God did, he created everything out of nothing and they only modified the life He had already created.
 
Te digo porque El esta en mi corazon y tu eres mi hermano en Cristo. :-)
Abrazos Hermano
Nick
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In the beginning, God created all things. But some fallen angels trying to be a cheap imitation of God creating things, created the half human, half fallen angel that we called the "giants" that were killed in the flood, except the few that were aquatic and I dont doubt those were destroyed in other ways and then those dead giants became evil spirits roaming the land angry at God and man. God did not create the giants. But even the fallen angels didnt do what God did, he created everything out of nothing and they only modified the life He had already created.

You may be right.
I agree with fallen angels. Satan fell sometime after the earth was created. (He was cast to earth).. There are verses that say he is an angel.
However the angels that mingled with humans in Gen 6, were well after the time Satan tempted Eve in the garden. Sure it's only three chapters later,
but it's quite a few generations.

I'm not sure what demons are, or where they come from... but the angels that mingled with the humans are all in chains... for now.

Jude 1:6; And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

It seems angels are not OSAS.

Rev 12:3; Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems.
Rev 12:4; And his tail *swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.

This verse is often taken as a third of the angels were led by Satan in rebellion.
 
I'm wondering what people think, know, or think they know,;), about this Gap Theory...For those who don't know what that is....vs 1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth" vs2 "The Earth was without form and void.' vs 3 "God said let there be light" Then verse 6-9 God created solid earth and the heavens....What happened between Vs 1 and vs 3? Many believe that Satan wrecked the Earth and Vs 3 is God re creating the Earth....
So...What do you think? Dig deep and look around before you answer.....There will be an exam when we're finished. LOL

Satan cannot do anything without God's permission. The Book of Job certainly proves that on 2 occasions.

In order to understand what most people claim are the 2 "different" accounts of creation in Genesis is to recognize what we would call the topic sentence in a paragraph with all the other sentences about that topic.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The 1st verse is the topic and the second verse and thereafter are the verses telling us how the first verse all came about.

When God called for Light; there was evening and morning the first day; thus a 24 hour first day. He could not call it the first day if it was not really the first day. God is not a liar in His words. There was no planet called earth in that first day. There were no constellations in the skies that govern the earth that first day because there was no sun nor moon nor stars whose lights were given to it to mark the times and the seasons for that earth yet to come. The creation of the celestial lights or the heavens did not happen until the fourth day.

The second day, God created the water planet with an upper atmosphere. There was evening and morning that 2nd day. Still the 24 hours day as the first day was.

It was the third day that God created land on this water planet to come forth where there was no land before. In that same day, God created living plants and trees to produce seeds and fruits after its own kind.

That fourth day in creating the sun, the moon, and the stars for the lights to govern the earth that day by His spoken word means He had created the stellar bodies and filled in the gap with its light as He commanded for that light to govern the earth that fourth day. So the speed of light does not apply here for determining the age of the earth when the lights from the heavens were commanded by God to shine on the earth that fourth day.

Each day, there was evening and morning and so there can be no gap theory.

We can attest that as true when the following verses after the first verse is contrary to that first verse BUT when you read the first verse as the main topic as if, of a paragraph and the following verses are sentences explaining that main topic in how this first verse, the topic, came about.

Scriptures were not originally divided in numbered chapters and numbered verses, and so this "topic" actually ended in the 2 nd chapter of Genesis in verse 3 before the second topic was about the generations of mankind rather than how God created the heavens and the earth from that first verse of the Book of Genesis.

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Then comes the next "topic".

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

This is a rehash of the sixth day in Creation but more in detail in explaining where all mankind had come from. How do we know this? By paying attention to the next verse below. Do note the bold part of that verse below.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Mankind was not created yet. So this is really another topic starting in verse 4 about where all of mankind had come from, and it was no ape, but from Adam and Eve.
 
In the beginning, God created all things. But some fallen angels trying to be a cheap imitation of God creating things, created the half human, half fallen angel that we called the "giants" that were killed in the flood, except the few that were aquatic and I dont doubt those were destroyed in other ways and then those dead giants became evil spirits roaming the land angry at God and man. God did not create the giants. But even the fallen angels didnt do what God did, he created everything out of nothing and they only modified the life He had already created.
The word 'created' means to make something out of nothing..And both of us knows that Satan never created anything....He did take things and warp them, and mix them to build something else.. crossbreeding, genetic manipulation and so on. The giants of the first incursion were killed in the flood, I agree. The the giants of subsequent incursions were not..I never thought of aquatic giants, though that makes sense. So as far as I can see Brad, to this point we are in agreement. Then came other incursions...What about now?
 
Satan cannot do anything without God's permission. The Book of Job certainly proves that on 2 occasions.

In order to understand what most people claim are the 2 "different" accounts of creation in Genesis is to recognize what we would call the topic sentence in a paragraph with all the other sentences about that topic.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The 1st verse is the topic and the second verse and thereafter are the verses telling us how the first verse all came about.

When God called for Light; there was evening and morning the first day; thus a 24 hour first day. He could not call it the first day if it was not really the first day. God is not a liar in His words. There was no planet called earth in that first day. There were no constellations in the skies that govern the earth that first day because there was no sun nor moon nor stars whose lights were given to it to mark the times and the seasons for that earth yet to come. The creation of the celestial lights or the heavens did not happen until the fourth day.

The second day, God created the water planet with an upper atmosphere. There was evening and morning that 2nd day. Still the 24 hours day as the first day was.

It was the third day that God created land on this water planet to come forth where there was no land before. In that same day, God created living plants and trees to produce seeds and fruits after its own kind.

That fourth day in creating the sun, the moon, and the stars for the lights to govern the earth that day by His spoken word means He had created the stellar bodies and filled in the gap with its light as He commanded for that light to govern the earth that fourth day. So the speed of light does not apply here for determining the age of the earth when the lights from the heavens were commanded by God to shine on the earth that fourth day.

Each day, there was evening and morning and so there can be no gap theory.

We can attest that as true when the following verses after the first verse is contrary to that first verse BUT when you read the first verse as the main topic as if, of a paragraph and the following verses are sentences explaining that main topic in how this first verse, the topic, came about.

Scriptures were not originally divided in numbered chapters and numbered verses, and so this "topic" actually ended in the 2 nd chapter of Genesis in verse 3 before the second topic was about the generations of mankind rather than how God created the heavens and the earth from that first verse of the Book of Genesis.

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Then comes the next "topic".

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

This is a rehash of the sixth day in Creation but more in detail in explaining where all mankind had come from. How do we know this? By paying attention to the next verse below. Do note the bold part of that verse below.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Mankind was not created yet. So this is really another topic starting in verse 4 about where all of mankind had come from, and it was no ape, but from Adam and Eve.
This does sound like bible school teaching...Most of which is opinion and not necessarily truth. Sorry... One thing I have learned in my forty four years as a son of God....One MUST learn by the Spirit of God,and set aside intellect as the first step to learning the truth of Gods Word. The intellect CANNOT understand the things of the Spirit. The Word is spirit, thus intellect MUST be set aside so the Spirit can teach your spirit.
 
Giants were used then, now its not giants but simply people manipulated genetically to be more advanced than homo sapiens, but still its the same principle.
 
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