Is evolution biblical or even scientific?

[Ophel]

Your post was a bit confusing in that you quoted C4E, but in your defense you clearly said George .

I just want to add. Creating a creation that you love so much that you are going to die for them.....then waiting billions of years through cruel natural selection for a measly 6-7.5k years of the billions to interact with them as they are finally on a level capable of interaction....implies the Creator is dumb and evil. We can do 4d printing today. We can completely understand someone speaking something into existence.

Spiritually discernible truths are still just as difficult as ever to understand for those who are not spiritual.


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[dh charles]

Your post was a bit confusing in that you quoted C4E, but in your defense you clearly said George .

I just want to add. Creating a creation that you love so much that you are going to die for them.....then waiting billions of years through cruel natural selection for a measly 6-7.5k years of the billions to interact with them as they are finally on a level capable of interaction....implies the Creator is dumb and evil. We can do 4d printing today. We can completely understand someone speaking something into existence.

Your addition, George, was full of holes;
????????????? What?"
(1) Don't confuse me and the Lord in that you said if you loved creation which mean you or me here and not there where you are but not tested yet or you maybe you think you are you but to the 100 power. Well, anyway, your level of thinking is a bit inflated, don't you think?
Besides, I don't really love creation do you? What's there to love? / Only a mother.... I mean a father God ........could love a creation that is out of control most of the time. He still loves His creation because of His understanding and not yours because He not you or any of us.....He allowed for free will in His creation and we just can not seen to get it right.
(2) Where did you and yours get the Billions of years? That Idea has been in doubt already. Did you hear the one that a scientist took a carbon test of a monkey and declared it was a millions of years old only to find out later it was about a month old? Oh, yeah.....this was not a joke.
(3) There has been no natural selection of the fittest.......just ask someone with Diabetes, arthritis, cancer, and etc. There is only God's litmus test that if you make it though your life and are still truly close to Him then you get to spend eternity with Him. He does NOT want any Lucifer types, which is evil and dumb or he would not have thought he could be equal with his creator. I guess God does not want anymore uprisings in Heaven.
Give you brain a rest. It is really not that hard.

 

[KingJ]

Spiritually discernible truths are still just as difficult as ever to understand for those who are not spiritual..

We must be careful about spiritualizing things that don't need to be spiritualized. God is as literal as you and I standing here. That is the default belief of everyone with a working brain. Today, every single one of us can fully understand and accept speaking something into existence .

Jesus being God is a spiritual truth 1 Cor 12:3. But even on that a working brain can come close to discerning it.

 

[KingJ]

Your addition, George, was full of holes;
????????????? What?"
(1) Don't confuse me and the Lord in that you said if you loved creation which mean you or me here and not there where you are but not tested yet or you maybe you think you are you but to the 100 power. Well, anyway, your level of thinking is a bit inflated, don't you think?
Besides, I don't really love creation do you? What's there to love? / Only a mother.... I mean a father God ........could love a creation that is out of control most of the time. He still loves His creation because of His understanding and not yours because He not you or any of us.....He allowed for free will in His creation and we just can not seen to get it right.
(2) Where did you and yours get the Billions of years? That Idea has been in doubt already. Did you hear the one that a scientist took a carbon test of a monkey and declared it was a millions of years old only to find out later it was about a month old? Oh, yeah.....this was not a joke.
(3) There has been no natural selection of the fittest.......just ask someone with Diabetes, arthritis, cancer, and etc. There is only God's litmus test that if you make it though your life and are still truly close to Him then you get to spend eternity with Him. He does NOT want any Lucifer types, which is evil and dumb or he would not have thought he could be equal with his creator. I guess God does not want anymore uprisings in Heaven.
Give you brain a rest. It is really not that hard.

Charles, good post. But you are confusing the bejeepers out of me. Why the ''George'' again?

 

[Ophel]

We must be careful about spiritualizing things that don't need to be spiritualized. God is as literal as you and I standing here. That is the default belief of everyone with a working brain. Today, every single one of us can fully understand and accept speaking something into existence .

Jesus being God is a spiritual truth 1 Cor 12:3. But even on that a working brain can come close to discerning it.

I repeat---scripture says that spiritual matters cannot be understood or perceived by those who are not spiritually-minded....in otherwise, blind.

 

[dh charles]

Charles, good post. But you are confusing the bejeepers out of me. Why the ''George'' again?

This is so funny. Somehow I got you two confused , LOL. I hope the real George will stand up!

I am glad that you enjoyed the post. I will try to get it straight next time.

 

[dh charles]

I repeat---scripture says that spiritual matters cannot be understood or perceived by those who are not spiritually-minded....in otherwise, blind.

That's Ophel that said that. I couldn't have said it any clearer.

I got the book today and after a cursory look I think it is just what I need; to see the other side of the issue of abuse. This is a great example of even how the most intelligent, perhaps how especially the most intelligent, can miss the point entirely. A person must just lessen-up and let God's spirit led the thinking. Have you herd about the young and dumb at Yale trying to abolish the 1st amendment? It was all a sit-up, but it shows how misguided "intelligent" thinking can be and how or finite life experiences can control our subconscious and thereby the way we live.
I still do not want to change history in favor of expediency..........the 100 million soldier thing, but that's just a difference of opinion and neither one will send to hell for it. LOL.

 

[Ophel]

That's Ophel that said that. I couldn't have said it any clearer.

I got the book today and after a cursory look I think it is just what I need; to see the other side of the issue of abuse. This is a great example of even how the most intelligent, perhaps how especially the most intelligent, can miss the point entirely. A person must just lessen-up and let God's spirit led the thinking. Have you herd about the young and dumb at Yale trying to abolish the 1st amendment? It was all a sit-up, but it shows how misguided "intelligent" thinking can be and how or finite life experiences can control our subconscious and thereby the way we live.
I still do not want to change history in favor of expediency..........the 100 million soldier thing, but that's just a difference of opinion and neither one will send to hell for it. LOL.

Your book arrived already? Good job, postal service! Merry Christmas from me to you! I know God will reach in and reveal something new to you!


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[dh charles]

Your book arrived already? Good job, postal service! Merry Christmas from me to you! I know God will reach in and reveal something new to you!


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I know the book will provide many epiphanies.
Merry Christmas to you too.
I think I know what trolling is now. It is when you go through posed post in order to find one that is appealing enough to reply to or even make a new post. What I don't understand is why that is so bad...if it is a serious reply.
I decided that I don't want to really be accused of this trolling. So, I will reply or post only on Thursdays whenever my wife goes to prayer meeting. While she is gone I will have something constructive to do.. Maybe this will keep the detrollers satisfied. Also,it will keep me serious minded.......all week to think or to unthink. Whatever the case turns out to be.
By the way I will send the postage money to you after the first. $16 dollars, right?
As soon as our Christmas Tree is taken down so I can get into the cabinet I want to send you any of my books that I wrote that I have more than one copy of.....for keep sakes. I hate it that it may only one book extra but I am hoping for more. I wrote and self publish six books; Somewhere on the Edge, Replay Man, Heavymist, a book of 17 short stories and Dead Letter Case. One Rhythm of Rain I don't even have a copy.
Who would have thought after our little disagreement we would wind up friends.

 

[B-A-C]

I have come to the conclusion, that it is very difficult to receive an education in the United States and
remain a firm believer. Bible school and theological school is one thing. (I'm not even 100% sure about
all of them). But in today's schools, things like God, creationism, the Bible, the commandments, prayer
are not only not taught, they are taught against.

In order to graduate high school or college, you must complete dozens of tests about humanity, philosophy,
evolution, and logic that all say there is no God. There is no creation. There is no absolute truth, only relative
truth. Since there is no God, there is no need for morality, and no one to answers your prayers. So why pray?

Some teens and young adults, either have enough support from their church and family to make it through
this without compromising their faith, or are grounded enough in their faith on their own to make it.
But most do not.

I personally feel we want our kids to go to college and "be successful" (whatever that means). But we are
so anxious to send them out in the world un-prepared for what is coming their way, that we don't count
the real cost (I'm not talking about money) before we send them.

I myself have had to answer test questions with answers I disagreed with in order to pass certain tests.
I knew the answer they wanted wanted me to give, and I gave it. I can tell that after 4 years (or more)
of doing this, you start to question God, you start to question the Bible, you start to lose your faith.
It is extremely difficult for a teenager, especially one without any spiritual/Biblical support, to make it
through college without being influenced by the philosophy of man, and the world.

I've tried arguing with professors, I even included little notes and Bible verses next to some of my test answers,
but after being ridiculed and failing a number of tests, I just started to go along with what they wanted me to say.
I was fortunate in that I never changed my beliefs, and had a lot of support.

But Satan has gotten more subtle, more sophisticated, and I believe most colleges are teaching things like
"alternative lifestyles", "LGBT rights", "Homosexual acceptance", "self-enlightenment", "diversity in truth",
and one I saw listed last week was "Defining your own morality".

Most college kids aren't really at a place where they're looking for God at that time in their lives.
Some are simply "getting an education".. (in how to drink socially, curse creatively, sleep with the
opposite (or same) sex, and question authority).

I don't have statistics on this, but I would guess the ratio of liberal vs conservative colleges here in the US
would be something like 95% liberal and 5% conservative.

 

[dh charles]

I have come to the conclusion, that it is very difficult to receive an education in the United States and
remain a firm believer. Bible school and theological school is one thing. (I'm not even 100% sure about
all of them). But in today's schools, things like God, creationism, the Bible, the commandments, prayer
are not only not taught, they are taught against.

In order to graduate high school or college, you must complete dozens of tests about humanity, philosophy,
evolution, and logic that all say there is no God. There is no creation. There is no absolute truth, only relative
truth. Since there is no God, there is no need for morality, and no one to answers your prayers. So why pray?

Some teens and young adults, either have enough support from their church and family to make it through
this without compromising their faith, or are grounded enough in their faith on their own to make it.
But most do not.

I personally feel we want our kids to go to college and "be successful" (whatever that means). But we are
so anxious to send them out in the world un-prepared for what is coming their way, that we don't count
the real cost (I'm not talking about money) before we send them.

I myself have had to answer test questions with answers I disagreed with in order to pass certain tests.
I knew the answer they wanted wanted me to give, and I gave it. I can tell that after 4 years (or more)
of doing this, you start to question God, you start to question the Bible, you start to lose your faith.
It is extremely difficult for a teenager, especially one without any spiritual/Biblical support, to make it
through college without being influenced by the philosophy of man, and the world.

I've tried arguing with professors, I even included little notes and Bible verses next to some of my test answers,
but after being ridiculed and failing a number of tests, I just started to go along with what they wanted me to say.
I was fortunate in that I never changed my beliefs, and had a lot of support.

But Satan has gotten more subtle, more sophisticated, and I believe most colleges are teaching things like
"alternative lifestyles", "LGBT rights", "Homosexual acceptance", "self-enlightenment", "diversity in truth",
and one I saw listed last week was "Defining your own morality".

Most college kids aren't really at a place where they're looking for God at that time in their lives.
Some are simply "getting an education".. (in how to drink socially, curse creatively, sleep with the
opposite (or same) sex, and question authority).

I don't have statistics on this, but I would guess the ratio of liberal vs conservative colleges here in the US
would be something like 95% liberal and 5% conservative.

This is so very sad. When I went to a liberal arts college back in 1968 I was blindsided by so-called liberals full of self please and.... to be kind to the memory....STUPIDNESS. You actually had a girl masturbating in the front seat of an Humanities class, toga parties where everything was allowed, I could go on but the point is that Satan was seeping in even then. Drugs and having an open mind was rampet. I was known as the worlds most conservative hippie. Oh, how UI wish for hippies' now. I was forced to another college, another story, and the new college was not liberal arts and I could tell instantly. It was actual educating. I went from majoring in girls and beer grade point of 1.2 to 3.4 and a healthy image. This image is gone now and the young and dumb as taker hold just when I thought that it was just my paranoia back then. Our muslim president and all the ones entering America has change our values for the sake of being open minded and ignorant correctness.
I have a hollow feeling now as I have a front seat of the destruction of America. I fear for my kids and grandkids but there is nothing I can do but pray.
Well, I could write more but my beautiful wife said that it is time to go to the Indian center. She is an example od one of the real women left jn the world. She is not afraid to be a woman.
Well I can't even correct my typing mistakes her so forgive the errors. Coming dear.

 

[dh charles]

I know the book will provide many epiphanies.
Merry Christmas to you too.
I think I know what trolling is now. It is when you go through posed post in order to find one that is appealing enough to reply to or even make a new post. What I don't understand is why that is so bad...if it is a serious reply.
I decided that I don't want to really be accused of this trolling. So, I will reply or post only on Thursdays whenever my wife goes to prayer meeting. While she is gone I will have something constructive to do.. Maybe this will keep the detrollers satisfied. Also,it will keep me serious minded.......all week to think or to unthink. Whatever the case turns out to be.
By the way I will send the postage money to you after the first. $16 dollars, right?
As soon as our Christmas Tree is taken down so I can get into the cabinet I want to send you any of my books that I wrote that I have more than one copy of.....for keep sakes. I hate it that it may only one book extra but I am hoping for more. I wrote and self publish six books; Somewhere on the Edge, Replay Man, Heavymist, a book of 17 short stories and Dead Letter Case. One Rhythm of Rain I don't even have a copy.
Who would have thought after our little disagreement we would wind up friends.

This is not Thursday but I wanted to tell you something about PTSD that I have discovered and did not realize until now......before I start on the book. I have learned that to a large extent I have learned to learn in a bubble made by trauma remembered.... either sub-consciously or consciously. This is a pattern of thinking which is a symptom, if you will, of the larger aspect of PTSD thought pattern. When deep in PSTD a lot of life is about bursting bubbles IF one wants to take the high road; stick to positive thinking, education in the field and a career in a way to develop social skills etc.. Most of all you must always,no matter how hard and anxiety and Dx's you MUST go through, always submit to God to tell you the direction to go, just as He did in my Castle in the sky experience when I was 10. I wish I could share this with the world But, they would not get it. Do you know what I mean?

 

[Ophel]

This is not Thursday but I wanted to tell you something about PTSD that I have discovered and did not realize until now......before I start on the book. I have learned that to a large extent I have learned to learn in a bubble made by trauma remembered.... either sub-consciously or consciously. This is a pattern of thinking which is a symptom, if you will, of the larger aspect of PTSD thought pattern. When deep in PSTD a lot of life is about bursting bubbles IF one wants to take the high road; stick to positive thinking, education in the field and a career in a way to develop social skills etc.. Most of all you must always,no matter how hard and anxiety and Dx's you MUST go through, always submit to God to tell you the direction to go, just as He did in my Castle in the sky experience when I was 10. I wish I could share this with the world But, they would not get it. Do you know what I mean?

I guess I am a youngster with regard to PTSD. My oldest daughter is 38 and suffers from PTSD as a result of being beaten by a patient where she worked on a lock-down Alzheimer's ward of a nursing facility. From a family of generations of non-drinkers, she turned to alcohol and, I think, drugs, and cast aside her legitimate helps of psychologist, physiotherapist, other doctors/professionals and medication for painful symptoms from the lingering results of the beating such as neck and shoulder pain along with fibroneuralgia, and one day walked out on her loving husband and two children. That was over 2 years ago, and no one in the family or among any of the people she ever knew has any knowledge of her whereabouts. Most definitely, PTSD is a most disturbing disease, and destructive to entire families.

We sit broken-hearted, especially at Christmastime.


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[KingJ]

I repeat---scripture says that spiritual matters cannot be understood or perceived by those who are not spiritually-minded....in otherwise, blind.

It actually doesn't. The context is some. When you apply your interpretation you get some wonky beliefs. Namely....every person thinks they are right in their own mind as they think they heard from God.

 

[KingJ]

I have come to the conclusion, that it is very difficult to receive an education in the United States and
remain a firm believer. Bible school and theological school is one thing. (I'm not even 100% sure about
all of them). But in today's schools, things like God, creationism, the Bible, the commandments, prayer
are not only not taught, they are taught against.

In order to graduate high school or college, you must complete dozens of tests about humanity, philosophy,
evolution, and logic that all say there is no God. There is no creation. There is no absolute truth, only relative
truth. Since there is no God, there is no need for morality, and no one to answers your prayers. So why pray?

Some teens and young adults, either have enough support from their church and family to make it through
this without compromising their faith, or are grounded enough in their faith on their own to make it.
But most do not.

I personally feel we want our kids to go to college and "be successful" (whatever that means). But we are
so anxious to send them out in the world un-prepared for what is coming their way, that we don't count
the real cost (I'm not talking about money) before we send them.

I myself have had to answer test questions with answers I disagreed with in order to pass certain tests.
I knew the answer they wanted wanted me to give, and I gave it. I can tell that after 4 years (or more)
of doing this, you start to question God, you start to question the Bible, you start to lose your faith.
It is extremely difficult for a teenager, especially one without any spiritual/Biblical support, to make it
through college without being influenced by the philosophy of man, and the world.

I've tried arguing with professors, I even included little notes and Bible verses next to some of my test answers,
but after being ridiculed and failing a number of tests, I just started to go along with what they wanted me to say.
I was fortunate in that I never changed my beliefs, and had a lot of support.

But Satan has gotten more subtle, more sophisticated, and I believe most colleges are teaching things like
"alternative lifestyles", "LGBT rights", "Homosexual acceptance", "self-enlightenment", "diversity in truth",
and one I saw listed last week was "Defining your own morality".

Most college kids aren't really at a place where they're looking for God at that time in their lives.
Some are simply "getting an education".. (in how to drink socially, curse creatively, sleep with the
opposite (or same) sex, and question authority).

I don't have statistics on this, but I would guess the ratio of liberal vs conservative colleges here in the US
would be something like 95% liberal and 5% conservative.

This is absolutely shocking.

 

[B-A-C]

there is nothing I can do but pray.

Prayer is a good start, but there might be more we could do.
We are supposed to be a light, salt, an influence.
We are supposed to share Jesus, the word, the gospel with them.

Rev 12:11; says we overcome the enemy by the word of OUR testimony.
What has Jesus done for you? Has He changed your life? Has He gotten you through hard/impossible times?
Has He healed you? (physically or even your soul). Has He shown you how bad decisions can affect your life?

If we don't share these things with our friends and family, how will they know what the Lord can do?

 

[Ophel]

It actually doesn't. The context is some. When you apply your interpretation you get some wonky beliefs. Namely....every person thinks they are right in their own mind as they think they heard from God.

Sorry, KingJ, but you apply "some" where scripture does not. Par for the course in your mind, I'm afraid. Carnal thinking and all that.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.


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[Ceptor]

We sit broken-hearted, especially at Christmastime.

She, and the family, will be in my prayers to Jesus.

 

[dh charles]

Prayer is a good start, but there might be more we could do.
We are supposed to be a light, salt, an influence.
We are supposed to share Jesus, the word, the gospel with them.

Rev 12:11; says we overcome the enemy by the word of OUR testimony.
What has Jesus done for you? Has He changed your life? Has He gotten you through hard/impossible times?
Has He healed you? (physically or even your soul). Has He shown you how bad decisions can affect your life?

If we don't share these things with our friends and family, how will they know what the Lord can do?

I believe this so very strong; that we are called to GROW-UP and do all that we can on ourselves as long as we do in and within the shadow of God. This is VERY IMORTANT. When we are unable to get it done the Lord smiles and sends the helper the blessed Holy Spirit. It is a pleasure to met someone who feel the same.

 

[dh charles]

I guess I am a youngster with regard to PTSD. My oldest daughter is 38 and suffers from PTSD as a result of being beaten by a patient where she worked on a lock-down Alzheimer's ward of a nursing facility. From a family of generations of non-drinkers, she turned to alcohol and, I think, drugs, and cast aside her legitimate helps of psychologist, physiotherapist, other doctors/professionals and medication for painful symptoms from the lingering results of the beating such as neck and shoulder pain along with fibroneuralgia, and one day walked out on her loving husband and two children. That was over 2 years ago, and no one in the family or among any of the people she ever knew has any knowledge of her whereabouts. Most definitely, PTSD is a most disturbing disease, and destructive to entire families.

We sit broken-hearted, especially at Christmastime.


.

Perhaps I can identify with you the most of all. My daughter is 38 and has fibro and sillyact (celac) disease. Although she can actsilly on her own, LOL.
I have just admitted that my complex developmental PTSD has been my nemeses since my birth (stomach) operation to much much more. You have opened this can of worms and bless you for that.
A bubble is strengthened by remembered pain, unrealistic imaginations, guilt feelings and hurt. With each bubble that burst you have to depend on the Lord to clean up the mess. And he will, just be patient You will yield to pleasure of temptation every so often. After you learn what He wants you to learn..... only then have you will be loosened and delivered from that particular sin. Sometimes I wonder why I take the high road, as I call my journey. The answer is; so I can be there for another to share.

Why was this site down for awhile?
More later. God bless.