If salvation is by faith alone, then are Satanists saved?

[Chad]

Look here what a believer does after they begin believing (in faith)...

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. - Matthew 16:24

 

[Curtis]

Look here what a believer does after they begin believing (in faith)...

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. - Matthew 16:24

I guess we could say that our cross is "denying our self". I must decrease and he must increase!

 

[RJ]

We are a fortunate people, in that we have the freedom to choose to believe or not to believe, given to us by God and allowed by the governments we live under. We are not under the thumb of a political oppressor...yet.

That statement of believing anything you want was said under the context of Biblical truth!

 

[Ophel]

That statement of believing anything you want was said under the context of Biblical truth!

I think that there was a misunderstanding, only, RJ. I know what Curtis was trying to say.

 

[RJ]

I think that there was a misunderstanding, only, RJ. I know what Curtis was trying to say.

That may very well be but TJ is based on the writing words to each other, not mind reading!

 

[Ophel]

That may very well be but TJ is based on the writing words to each other, not mind reading!

If you would take the time and effort to re-read Curtis' entire statement you hacked one sentence from, you would see what he is really saying.

 

[RJ]

If you would take the time and effort to re-read Curtis' entire statement you hacked one sentence from, you would see what he is really saying.

OK. Opel, that is enough brother? Curtis and I have disagreed on many a different theologies. I have seen many of your replies and have seen nothing to disagree with so far, but we will just have to agree to disagree on this on.

 

[RJ]

OK. Opel, that is enough brother? Curtis and I have disagreed on many a different theologies. I have seen many of your replies and have seen nothing to disagree with so far, but we will just have to agree to disagree on this on.

Sister, sorry!

 

[SonSigns]

There are several examples of this type of topic in the New testament. This is one of my favorite chapters of the book of Acts. It has graced me with a lot of light when it comes to ministering your faith with others. It even shows the temperament of Paul and how much of a heavy heart he had for the lost.
Acts:26:
27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest .
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
29 And Paul said , I would * to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost *, and altogether * such as I am , except these bonds.

 

[Brother Paul]

This is a popular topic here recently. Some believe that the only requirement for salvation is faith; and that everyone who has faith will be saved. But I disagree. And I would like to use Satanists as an example why.

Lets consider the person who, after being informed completely about all the facts of the bible, decides to worship Satan. There are many of these people in the world. Some of these people believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He was crucified, that He was resurrected, that He is seated in Heaven. But these people choose to love darkness more than they love light, and they knowingly choose to love and worship the evil one.

So, are these people saved because they believe the gospel? If not, then what are they missing?

No because if they believed the word of God they would bow their knee to Him as the ONLY LORD and Him only would they serve....but they have partaken of the fruit of a certain knowledge that leads them to disregard God's word (Genesis 3:1-4) whether or not they believe IN God, and be as a lord unto their self (Genesis 3:5) doing what is right in their own eyes (the way that seems right unto man....the way of death)....

You see "Faith" is not believing in God (the devils believe and tremble), but BELIEVING GOD,,,and he says only by becoming His child can you enter in....(Romans 8:9)

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

It is not as much believing Jesus is the son of God, as it is believing and having the son of God in you!

That is whay i said,,,,

OK. Opel, that is enough brother? Curtis and I have disagreed on many a different theologies. I have seen many of your replies and have seen nothing to disagree with so far, but we will just have to agree to disagree on this on.

Rj this has gone on long enough. You are so busy trying to prove your point that you have not seen what others have written.
You are so busy trying to prove your point you mis-quote others to prove your point....
Get Over It already..................The believe has many meanings or context in the written word of God.
To push your point you kerep on and on and on about how the demons believe jesus is the son of God but thaty dont make them saved so you keep using this worn out line over and over against scriptures like John 3:16 or Romans 10:13 and so forth.

A little common sense shows you that it is TWO DIFFERENT situations and for what ever reason you insist on using one to dismiss the other.......Let it go already...........OBTW OPEL IS My Sister and ye shall respect that !
Brother I asm not attacking you but get over it already................
Have a blessed day

 

[Christ4Ever]

This is Apostasy, the all out rejection of Jesus Christ and proof you have never been saved in the first place!

I am not saved because I mentioned the blasphemy of The Holy Spirit?

Brother Taylor. I don't believe RJ was meaning that you were Apostate. I hope I'm not mistaken here RJ, but I believe you were describing the condition of what would be considered the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Only in Love Brothers!
YBIC
C4E

 

[RJ]

You are so busy trying to prove your point you mis-quote others to prove your point....

Please, to make such an accusation, show proof!

so you keep using this worn out line over and over against scriptures like John 3:16 or Romans 10:13 and so forth.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:, please show me were I used Jn 3:16 in any of my discussions with Curtis?!

Brother I asm not attacking you but get over it already.........

Good advice anytime, Curtis is culpable here too, why nothing said to him?

The believe has many meanings or context in the written word of God.

What, this is, are you saying that the written word of God has different meanings?

 

[RJ]

Brother Taylor. I don't believe RJ was meaning that you were Apostate. I hope I'm not mistaken here RJ, but I believe you were describing the condition of what would be considered the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

@Christ4Ever , thanks for edifying this truth!
Exactly, I have never, not once, in 12 years, have I even remotely said that anyone was not saved and a true Christian; I would never. That is and always has been left up to Jesus! Simply put, a person (generic) who "Blasphemes the Holy Spirit" , is the same as a person who dies in unbelief, the rejection of Christ as Lord and Savior. It is a sort of "play on words", if you die without the Spirit of God in you, that is the ultimate unpardonable sin, and you have essentially denied or "Blasphemed" the Holy Spirit.

 

[RJ]

OPEL IS My Sister and ye shall respect that !

• Please show me where I have not!

 

[RJ]

That is whay i said,,,,


Rj this has gone on long enough. You are so busy trying to prove your point that you have not seen what others have written.
You are so busy trying to prove your point you mis-quote others to prove your point....
Get Over It already..................The believe has many meanings or context in the written word of God.
To push your point you kerep on and on and on about how the demons believe jesus is the son of God but thaty dont make them saved so you keep using this worn out line over and over against scriptures like John 3:16 or Romans 10:13 and so forth.

A little common sense shows you that it is TWO DIFFERENT situations and for what ever reason you insist on using one to dismiss the other.......Let it go already...........OBTW OPEL IS My Sister and ye shall respect that !
Brother I asm not attacking you but get over it already................
Have a blessed day

Why are you so mad? Is it because I fundamentally disagree with some of your theology!

 

[TaylorDonBarret]

@Christ4Ever , thanks for edifying this truth!
Exactly, I have never, not once, in 12 years, have I even remotely said that anyone was not saved and a true Christian; I would never. That is and always has been left up to Jesus! Simply put, a person (generic) who "Blasphemes the Holy Spirit" , is the same as a person who dies in unbelief, the rejection of Christ as Lord and Savior. It is a sort of "play on words", if you die without the Spirit of God in you, that is the ultimate unpardonable sin, and you have essentially denied or "Blasphemed" the Holy Spirit.

I understand that is your opinion. but can you show me where you find that in scripture? if unbelief is blaspheming The Holy Spirit, then why didn't Jesus just say unbelief?

Furthermore, when Jesus tells the wicked who call Him 'Lord" to depart from Him, He does not say "depart from me, you who never truly believed in me'; what Jesus says is 'depart from me you who practice lawlessness (you who practice sin).

It is my opinion that blaspheming The Holy Spirit is persistently refusing to love God even amidst the glorious presence of His glorious Spirit in your life. This would be that "wilful sin after receiving knowledge of the truth' after which 'there remains no sacrifice left for sins'.

 

[Ophel]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is truly a sin that could only have been committed while Jesus was on Earth. Here He was, acting as God, performing open miracles before the Pharisees and Sadducees and scribes, and they could see that He was exactly who He was saying He was, and who His followers were saying He was, but still, in the face of the power of God, they hated Him so much, they made open declarations that He was acting under the power of Beelzebub (Satan). Now, attributing open acts of God, knowing full well they are acts performed under the power of Holy Spirit to Satan himself is a blatant sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Today's believer cannot commit such a crime against the Holy Spirit. Because Jesus is no longer physically with us, the only thing a Christian can be along these lines is---wrong---for which we have all forgiveness on offer!

 

[RJ]

I understand that is your opinion. but can you show me where you find that in scripture? if unbelief is blaspheming The Holy Spirit, then why didn't Jesus just say unbelief?

• Well, basically you are going to have to ask him someday.
• Because in the in the verses stating the Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit, they are preceded by Jesus already talking about blaspheme of him or speaking against him, which will be forgiven. It should be obvious that if you die without receiving the spirit of God in you, it will not be forgiven. If that is not dieing in your unbelief , I don't know what is! And it is exactly, the same as Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit.
• Jesus often talked in parables, symbolism and allegories so that his disciples would comprehend his teachings and that unbelievers would be without comprehension. Maybe the term "Blaspheme The Holy Spirit" is a form of symbolism for unbelief!:thumbsup:

Matthew 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Mark 328-:29 "I tell you the truth, all sin and blasphemy can be forgiven,but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin."

 

[TaylorDonBarret]

I understand your logic. i would just suggest refraining from stating your opinion as a fact.