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Is evolution biblical? Is it even scientific?

Lets examine this:

Is evolution biblical? can it be reconciled with scripture?

well, this one is rather easy. the answer is simply: no, it is not biblical and cannot be reconciled with scripture. i will demonstrate this fact with three examples=

1) The bible says that sin entered the world through adam, and death entered the world through sin. using these facts we can conclude that death did not occur in the world until roughly 6,000 years ago. evolution requires millions of years of death, therefore evolution is not biblical.
2) also, the bible clearly states that God made the earth in six days, and the consensus among top Hebrew scholars is that, because the word 'yom' is used in conjunction is 'evening and morning' and a numerical value; that the author of genesis clearly intended the six days to be literal 24-hour days. so that puts the earth at about 6,000 years old. evolution claims the earth is billions of years old.
3) one last thing, the bible says that vegetation existed on the earth before the sun and the stars were created. evolution says that the sun existed before the earth.

so we see that evolution is not biblical and cannot be reconciled with the bible.

Now, is evolution scientific?

well, the answer again is no. it is not. Why, well first and foremost science is marked by "observability, testability, repeatability, and falsifiability". the theory of evolution is not observable, nor is it testable, nor is it repeatable, nor is it falsifiable. therefore, evolution is not scientific.

but lets take a look at some of the claims.

1) mutations can result in a single celled organism evolving into a human being. but this is not true. mutations are mistakes, mutations take a written code and mess it up. the idea that mutations can result in the human eye ball is absurd. you can not put a bunch of metal in a garage, shake up the garage for a few billion years, and end up with a an automobile. how much less can you throw some mud and water and light together and end up with the human brain.

2) similarities in dna indicate a common origin. well, this one is true. the common origin is God, when He created us 6,000 years ago He gave us all physical bodies that are built to live in the same physical world. it is not wonder that the instructions for building our bodies (our dna) are similar, because our bodies are built to live in the same place,

i could go on and on.

but i think thats enough for now.

the point i want to make is that no christian should ever try to compromise the word of God. when we compromise one single letter, we compromise the whole thing. many universalist, homosexual activist heretics have begun with the compromise on genesis.
 
Is evolution biblical? Is it even scientific?.......................
the point i want to make is that no christian should ever try to compromise the word of God. when we compromise one single letter, we compromise the whole thing. many universalist, homosexual activist heretics have begun with the compromise on genesis.

Just the amazing fields of genetics are proving evolution is not valid science, but a huge distortion of many true science facts, their theory derived from misapplied observations of data. Technically it isn't a science theory at all, but a hypothesis at best. The DNA "clock" and mutations in all genomes take origin of all species (kinds) back to the 6,000 year age derived from genealogies in the Bible. Evolutionists are usually atheist, so will hang onto their secular religion until some better idea emerges that might dismiss God's word, which won't happen.

I've been very heavily involved in debates about this topic online, listening to some of the pros like Duane Gish live years ago. I got to shake his hand at an event at Dartmouth College, then chased down all his presentations I could locate. What I've learned about this topic is most Christians are not much aware of it being any big deal. We typically just accept the Genesis account, the 6 days being 24 hour days, God being Creator God who can do anything in 6 days that he wants to do. It's on the internet where some get exposed to the debate, while all people taking science or philosophy classes in schools are exposed to it, even in denominational Bible colleges.

There's a danger for people not solidly founded in scriptures. This topic tends to draw evolutionists who love any opportunity to take the floor, so I wold like for us to watch out for people who get a thrill out of confusing Christians. They employ "Christian Baiting", tend to work together in 24 hour shifts, wearing believers down, filling too many with grave doubts. The problem is most won't go research it enough to be able to compare the two sides, so whoever posts the most tends to "win" this debate by crushing the Christians with ridicule and refusal to allow valid points from us. Like with Dr. Gish (deceased 2013) and others, they can't actually debate by standard debate rules. Once their best speakers got wind of Dr. Gish's ability they recommended evolutionists not to debate him because they would "surely lose".

If you link to ICR.org, CRS, etc. the typical response is to attack the integrity of Christian scientists whose technical papers are not allowed to be published in journals that secular scientists like. Most of them are evolutionists, their minds made up until God breaks through to a few now and then. We can't possibly change minds, can't change adults, with our minds. Only the Lord can do that, using the anointed word. God is letting them drown in a sea of self delusion, their minds becoming more reprobate the more they see of Creation claims. Evidence doesn't compute to them. They are brainwashed through much education in the sciences taught by mostly atheists. Secular scientists "own" public science academia, ruling the science classes.
 
Is evolution biblical? Is it even scientific?
Lets examine this:
Is evolution biblical? can it be reconciled with scripture?

A companion thought to ponder is whether creation science is supportable with scriptures and science facts, and is the biblical and scientific answer to both your questions.
Another is whether creation science is true science, which if we find it is, then evolution is in greater danger than proponents realize.
Evolution is the brainchild of atheists needing to come up with an acceptable explanation of origins other than Genesis. Never mind that some of the most famous scientists like Isaac Newton, still considered one of the most brilliant minds in history, never departed from his "I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily." If anyone had ability to question the biblical science of Genesis, it should have been him.

I'd appreciate your reading a current article in the ICR.org Acts & Facts magazine, then try to forecast how an evolutionist might answer to it. It's titled
Made in His Image: Baby's First Breath
Human Body | The Institute for Creation Research
http://www.icr.org/creation-anatomy/
All mothers, mothers to be, and dads ought to take a look. It blessed us, and is being found very amazing to nurses we know who were not so aware of these amazing facts about a fetus. The whole of it speaks strongly of special creation of man by God, with a heart warming conclusion.
 
the evolutionist would come up with some imagination concerning how such a delicate, intricate, complex, and miraculous process could come about slowly over time, step-by-step, by random chance. :(
 
3) one last thing, the bible says that vegetation existed on the earth before the sun and the stars were created. evolution says that the sun existed before the earth.

so we see that evolution is not biblical and cannot be reconciled with the bible.

So in Genesis 1:3, the light was not from the Sun?
 
Evolution is nothing more than man's attempt to explain his existence without God being part of it. God built into much of life, the ability to "adapt", and adaptation is provable, evolution is not provable.
 
So in Genesis 1:3, the light was not from the Sun?

I once supervised a seedling nursery to grow special plants for stocking "swamps" and other forms of wetlands to achieve species variety, commonly done when a farmer puts up some land that was no longer arable. He gets a tax credit for dedicating eligible property to the conversion. Many wildland species have to be started in darkness to some degree, giving them a chance to root, and once roots grow just a little it can collect nutrients and "set" itself using stored energy in the seed or cutting. Turn the lights off and wait for a leaf to appear.Then when exposed to sunlight it won't "burn" before hardening off. Plants grow by night, make their food through photosynthesis by day, using sunlight to convert CO2, water and soil nutrients to food Once well established they can also grow some in daylight, but typically faster at night, releasing O2 and consuming stored food.

God created plants to work that way, and nothing major has changed except that the original "kinds" have generated many more "species" of those kinds.

That's just a natural explanation. "Light" came to earth upon God speaking it into existence, while he is himself light of his glory. In the new earth heaven won't need a star for light, as the glory of God will light everything up. He can do anything we can do with light, and more. We can direct a laser beam to a specific target, leaving all other space dark. Light can be channeled down quartz cable, the light invisible to you until looking at the end of the cable.
 
Is evolution biblical? Is it even scientific?

Lets examine this:

Is evolution biblical? can it be reconciled with scripture?

well, this one is rather easy. the answer is simply: no, it is not biblical and cannot be reconciled with scripture. i will demonstrate this fact with three examples=

1) The bible says that sin entered the world through adam, and death entered the world through sin. using these facts we can conclude that death did not occur in the world until roughly 6,000 years ago. evolution requires millions of years of death, therefore evolution is not biblical.
2) also, the bible clearly states that God made the earth in six days, and the consensus among top Hebrew scholars is that, because the word 'yom' is used in conjunction is 'evening and morning' and a numerical value; that the author of genesis clearly intended the six days to be literal 24-hour days. so that puts the earth at about 6,000 years old. evolution claims the earth is billions of years old.
3) one last thing, the bible says that vegetation existed on the earth before the sun and the stars were created. evolution says that the sun existed before the earth.

so we see that evolution is not biblical and cannot be reconciled with the bible.

Now, is evolution scientific?

well, the answer again is no. it is not. Why, well first and foremost science is marked by "observability, testability, repeatability, and falsifiability". the theory of evolution is not observable, nor is it testable, nor is it repeatable, nor is it falsifiable. therefore, evolution is not scientific.

One significant issue with Genesis outlining creation, it is quite vague. Above that, I believe that God created this planet and its forms of life through the eons to create confusion. One of two definitive conclusions can be drawn: one with God as its creator, or one without God that is entirely ad hoc. Or, one could suggest alien implantation. But, that would be a form of creationism. Science is the means to determine that something is verifiable and repeatable. Remarkably, Science will cast out science which contradicts it unless that evidence can not be ignored. Read up on the lengths Pasteur took to prove the existence of germs despite others having tried before him.

If people get a concept in their head that events occurred a certain way, those thoughts will remain steadfast regardless of whether they're correct or not. Dr. Richard Leakey. Well, it seems that Mr. Neanderathal is more of a cousin than a grandparent. Unless you're highly skilled in molecular genetics and can persuade others through logic as well as faith, arguing Creation Science has its limitations because you will eventually be left trying to prove that God undeniably exists. Remember Moses, Pharaoh and the snakes? Cheers, John
 
One significant issue with Genesis outlining creation, it is quite vague. Above that, I believe that God created this planet and its forms of life through the eons to create confusion. One of two definitive conclusions can be drawn: one with God as its creator, or one without God that is entirely ad hoc. Or, one could suggest alien implantation. But, that would be a form of creationism. Science is the means to determine that something is verifiable and repeatable. Remarkably, Science will cast out science which contradicts it unless that evidence can not be ignored. Read up on the lengths Pasteur took to prove the existence of germs despite others having tried before him.

If people get a concept in their head that events occurred a certain way, those thoughts will remain steadfast regardless of whether they're correct or not. Dr. Richard Leakey. Well, it seems that Mr. Neanderathal is more of a cousin than a grandparent. Unless you're highly skilled in molecular genetics and can persuade others through logic as well as faith, arguing Creation Science has its limitations because you will eventually be left trying to prove that God undeniably exists. Remember Moses, Pharaoh and the snakes? Cheers, John
God created over eons in order to cause confusion?

"God is not the author of confusion" (1 Corinthians 14:33)

Now, you may argue that God is the author of confusion based on His post-fall works at the tower of babel and elsewhere. But it is important to note the stark difference between pre-fall and post-fall word. the original world God created for us contained no death, no sin, and a perfect relationship between God and man. The original world was perfect, and that is because God is perfect. God is not the author of confusion. But in a post-fall world, once Adam and Eve sinned against God, once humans waged all out war against the almighty, God's holiness demanded that He execute justice upon the wicked (namely, every human alive.). God's holy nature demanded that He cause confusion to those who are in condemnation, but on the other hand His holiness demanded perfection for the innocent.

And then there is the whole issue that Genesis plainly says that God created the earth in six days. There is not getting around that.

There are many, many scientists with Phd's from leading secular universities who believe in the bible and who defend it vigorously using science. (Pasteur was a bible-believing creationist. :) I encourage you to google the creation ministries international and take a look at their website. You will find every subject under the sun all addressed by scientists with either a masters or a phd, all proving that there is no proof of anything contradictory to the bible. The articles by Jonathan Safarti are quite excellent. He is a phD holding chemist and a world class chess player and he always does an amazing job at bringing science to defend the bible.

Remember, 'Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the word of God"

"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them" Exodus 20:11
 
One significant issue with Genesis outlining creation, it is quite vague. Above that, I believe that God created this planet and its forms of life through the eons to create confusion. One of two definitive conclusions can be drawn: one with God as its creator, or one without God that is entirely ad hoc. Or, one could suggest alien implantation. But, that would be a form of creationism. Science is the means to determine that something is verifiable and repeatable. Remarkably, Science will cast out science which contradicts it unless that evidence can not be ignored. Read up on the lengths Pasteur took to prove the existence of germs despite others having tried before him.

If people get a concept in their head that events occurred a certain way, those thoughts will remain steadfast regardless of whether they're correct or not. Dr. Richard Leakey. Well, it seems that Mr. Neanderathal is more of a cousin than a grandparent. Unless you're highly skilled in molecular genetics and can persuade others through logic as well as faith, arguing Creation Science has its limitations because you will eventually be left trying to prove that God undeniably exists. Remember Moses, Pharaoh and the snakes? Cheers, John

I believed the claims of old earth ages needed to evolve life too, taught that in grade school and college, required to master all knowledge that goes with the "theory", my major and minors in natural science. I don't remember ever hearing anyone question that, so I just let it be. It took being saved at age 31 for the eyes of my understanding to open. There were no internet sources, no creation science books to read, but I attended two debates involving Dr. Duane Gish, who presented a powerful defense of special creation and refutation of evolution. When I read that evolutionist debaters were telling each other not to debate him since they would surely lose, I sought out anything he wrote, getting on his mailing list, then 3 years later buying his classic "Evolution? The Fossils Say No". Each book took me deeper into the real science of origins, the real reason evolutionists won't deal with the real science because they are bound up in unscientific beliefs about origins. As I learned more and internet groups began, when opposing evolutionists I found the same treatment Gish received, being often kicked out of even Christian groups for being too ignorant to discuss science because I was deemed a foolish Fundy.

Science is the study of the attributes of observable substance through systematic observation of data and repeatable experiment. It is not at all about calling an evolution hypothesis an evolution theory, which alone proves the selective blindness of many secular scientists that can do well when actually doing science.

It isn't necessary to be highly knowledgeable about any one science field like molecular genetics. Experts that really excel are emerging with ability to translate hard to understand things for a high school graduate to hopefully comprehend. It's like a court judge and jury not having to understand DNA evidence, having only to call on experts.

Just a little common sense will help an observer to be alerted to take another look at the world, to begin realizing there is a lot of evidence of special creation. Providing an undeniable proof God exists is not a requirement for Christians to engage in true science. Evolutionists ar the ones that need to present proof of their beliefs which are not supported by science or reason.
 
I believed the claims of old earth ages needed to evolve life too, taught that in grade school and college, required to master all knowledge that goes with the "theory", my major and minors in natural science.

Just a little common sense will help an observer to be alerted to take another look at the world, to begin realizing there is a lot of evidence of special creation. Providing an undeniable proof God exists is not a requirement for Christians to engage in true science. Evolutionists ar the ones that need to present proof of their beliefs which are not supported by science or reason.

It has been my experience the more "educated" we become the less spiritual we become. There are of course some exceptions.
There are some statistics that the percentage of believers amongst those who haven't graduated high school are staggeringly higher
that those with say two master degrees. College brain-washes you over and over again to accept randomness, evolution, relative truth
(as opposed to absolute truth) and to put faith and trust in our own knowledge and science rather than what God says.
I have observed this in my own personal life. I work with mostly white collar people with degrees, very very few of them think the Bible
is anything but a fairy-tale. In some cases, the few that do claim some kind of belief have it watered down and mixed with psuedo theology.
Also things like homosexuality are being taught in such a positive light, that only prejudiced, backward thinking, intolerant cavemen would
not approve of it. The peer pressure in college is incredibly high, go along with the crowd or simply be an outsider (who is deluded by the Bible).
 
An unfortunate peril the "less educated" face is the possibility they lack enough knowledge to eliminate by deduction and/or inspiration the contaminated knowledge they received. For instance, theoretically anyone that's a parent today has been exposed to evolution training. Lacking enough knowledge they are yet unable to fathom new knowledge that should evoke a refutation of the old contaminated knowledge. It might have to do with a general principle expressed in
Hosea 4:1-11 (KJV)
1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.
2 By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.
3 Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.
4 Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people are as they that strive with the priest.
5 Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother.
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.
8 They eat up the sin of my people, and they set their heart on their iniquity.
9 And there shall be, like people, like priest: and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings.
10 For they shall eat, and not have enough: they shall commit whoredom, and shall not increase: because they have left off to take heed to the LORD.
11 Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.


We read that and think towards ancient Israel "How could you do...." then realize this generation is doing likewise. So what quality of nation filled with people lacking enough knowledge? Knowledge is required to do God's will. We must know what he wants. So what glory in a higher percentage of uneducated people that, lacking a high school education, can't find good jobs? I have not yet been able to justify hiring a single high school dropout, the mentality associated with that lack carrying over into work ethics. I prefer people who have demonstrate an ability to think, at least able to think of an easier way to do their job than apply more manual labor. That's a principle similar to the issue of salvation by works versus by grace through faith.
 
An unfortunate peril the "less educated" face is the possibility they lack enough knowledge to eliminate by deduction and/or inspiration the contaminated knowledge they received.

Give me a man of faith and wisdom to seek the truth any day over a know it all (thinks themselves so) who strives so hard to prove others wrong. Look to who Jesus picked as apostles. Knowledge, although good, and part of seeking the truth, is not as important as Faith in God's eyes.
 
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Give me a man of faith and wisdom to seek the truth any day over a know it all (thinks themselves so) who strives so hard to prove others wrong. Look to who Jesus picked as apostles. Knowledge, although good, and part of seeking the truth, is not as important as Faith in God's eyes.
2 Peter 1:5-11 (KJV)
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


I couldn't find scriptures backing up only needing faith and wisdom. Maybe you had in mind 1 Corinthians 2:5 (KJV)
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
It's the only verse I found with faith and wisdom. Not sure what you are referring to.

Like a business owner might do, one might wish to select people with certain "future", then train them to achieve the future you have in mind for them.

Your search might be a difficult one. Even most of the Church leadership know a tiny percentage of people claiming to be Christian read a Bible, and by far most are lacking enough knowledge of the Bible to describe a spiritual relationship with Jesus, or the gospel message. Asking folks to define biblical "faith" often throws church-goers. It's a crisis. I'd rather teach people to build upon whatever faith they actually have, adding those other facets of Christian excellence. Eventually a few will exhibit acceptable faith, the fruit of the Spirit as a whole, then comprehend spiritual wisdom and understanding enough to benefit themselves and others.

I exited a grocery store, stopped by some really nice people with a table display for a Primitive Baptist" church near by. The pastor was with some ladies and gentlemen promoting their assembly. I had never noticed a "primitive" denomination, though very familiar with several of the others. I asked the pastor "I would guess that "Primitive" means you believe the whole Bible like the first Church did, am I wrong?"
"Yes, certainly we do." I asked then "So you believe in preaching only the gospel of Christ, according to Jesus, Paul and the other apostles?" "Why, yes, of course." I asked "You believe the Bible so you practice laying on of hands for physical healing, speaking in unknown tongues, requiring an interpreter, the layity prophesying, modern prophets like Agabus and apostles, faith for prosperity in every aspect of our lives......" He interrupted "No, we don't believe those things are valid for today, those are confusing works of the Devil today."
So they don't believe the Bible.
What I do often find is a lot of Church leadership being ignorant of the truth. Few would let themselves be heard they possess faith and wisdom, but are but worms in the Kingdom.

So where are the candidates who have enough knowledge to seek truth, and know false from the true? The only way is to know the scriptures. It's how Jesus answered Satan.
 
2 Peter 1:5-11 (KJV)
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
You provide one of them. Note that Faith first, then virtue, then knowledge. Perhaps you noticed which came first? Not to mention the great three, Faith, hope and Love. Do you see knowledge there either?
 
You provide one of them. Note that Faith first, then virtue, then knowledge. Perhaps you noticed which came first? Not to mention the great three, Faith, hope and Love. Do you see knowledge there either?

It all begins with faith. We can't "get" faith, as it is a gift from the Lord. Proverbs 2:6-7 (KJV)
6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
7 He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.


There is no holding of wisdom without having added the fruit of the Spirit which keeps us from falling, being spiritually blind again. This is the heart of the matter of people thinking themselves Christian, yet believing secular evolution, a doctrine of the Devil, refusing to accept the testimony of God. It's as wrong as a jurist insisting the witnesses really meant to say something else. To do so requires twisting the scriptures, "black is white, white is black", which bears no wisdom at all. The world's academia of atheists have chosen a secular worldly wisdom, a distorted system of knowledge. That knowledge perverts the minds of those who need the wisdom of God. But they won't receive that gift, because they reject his knowledge.
 
It all begins with faith. We can't "get" faith, as it is a gift from the Lord. Proverbs 2:6-7 (KJV)
6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
7 He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.
God gives us the seed (faith) through his sowers. It is our responsibility to help it grow. Please stop trying to play down faith as less important than knowledge, I wont argue with a pharisee who can only see the knowledge as important.
 
Jesus confronted Pharisees, so why not you?

I posted my position of scripture on this, but my bad, used KJV, so I'll repost it in ASV, which is a little easier to understand where my belief about the position of "knowledge" comes from. The 7 facets of knowledge of the Lord are listed equally, all of them what the Lord expects us to bear, taking liberty to highlight the key words.
2 Peter 1:2-11 (ASV)
2 Grace to you and peace be multiplied in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord;
3 seeing that his divine power hath granted unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that called us by his own glory and virtue;
4 whereby he hath granted unto us his precious and exceeding great promises; that through these ye may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in that world by lust.
5 Yea, and for this very cause adding on your part all diligence, in your faith supply virtue; and in your virtue knowledge;
6 and in your knowledge self-control; and in your self-control patience; and in your patience godliness;
7 and in your godliness brotherly kindness; and in your brotherly kindness love.
8 For if these things are yours and abound, they make you to be not idle nor unfruitful unto the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 For he that lacketh these things is blind, seeing only what is near, having forgotten the cleansing from his old sins.
10 Wherefore, brethren, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never stumble:
11 for thus shall be richly supplied unto you the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


None of that in blue is of me. It is all from God. I hope you agree and believe it.
 
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