women speaking in church

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

yes, dear @ph8th ,
women can be led by the LORD.

Brothers and Sisters, one thing is certain, we must love one another as Jesus Christ loved us, even as God loved us and loves us still.
Bickering and getting all worked up over any issue misses the mark of both Grace and Love.

Following the LORD is an act of Faith. Do we follow Him or do we follow something or someone else?

Bless you ....><>

 

[B-A-C]

So you believe that God does not speak through woman?
Are you suggesting that the woman I was referring to in my post were of evil spirit?
Wisdom is referred to as feminine... do you believe wisdom is evil?
Was Deborah of the OT who was a prophetess evil?
Do you believe Esther when declaring the fast was evil?
Do you believe woman are the dwelling place of Holy Spirit?
If so do you believe they can be led of Holy Spirit?

I never said all feminine spirits were evils. The question was "are spirit beings male and female"?

 

[ph8th]

I never said all feminine spirits were evils. The question was "are spirit beings ale and female"?

That is the very question I posed earlier in all this mess. I do not believe that spirit or as spirit we have gender. Like angels who are masculine in appearance their are no female angels or baby angels.

 

[rag4aCrown]

greetings in the Lord;
First and formost, I am for God. God is Spirit. I do not see male or female, bond or free, or Jew nor Greek nor Mexican, Canadian, American, or Chinese.... I hear spirits that speak; now depending on the fruit that is coming out of that spirit; I see a dark spirit or a spirit of light. Amen.

God can use a donkey to talk, and forbid the madness of the prophet; God can use anything and anyone; male or female or a small child; or a dog, duck or a goat. Amen

1 Cor. 14:34...........(important...here it comes...) as also saith the law.
ok...Roman 8:2........... has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8 is a wonderful chapter to read when one is wanting a greater understanding of the separation of flesh and spirit. Amen.
We must remember who it is that Paul is addressing; the old sect of Jews. Those who were learned and bond by the letters of the law of Moses. Jesus did not bring peace, but rather division. God is Spirit. The division that Jesus brought is the division between the old sect (old covenant) and the new sect (new covenant), Spirit born, Blood bought and Holy Ghost taught. Amen.

The old sect is still very much in control and command of the pulpit yet today. Yes, so many years later. They would not receive Jesus. They rejected Him and paid a disciple to betray Him and they hang Him on the cross. Amen. Jesus told them "better come out of the traditions of your fathers, because you will not find Me there. Amen. Did they listen then? No. Are they listening today? Yes, God is turning the churches. The truth is being revealed and the traditional doctrines of the fathers, handed down generation after generation after generation, are being cast down. Why? because the truth of God is being revealed by those who have been baptized of the water and the Spirit. Amen. Yes, I want to bring them into the "new covenant"; many think they are, but are not. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Amen

Mere 5; absolutely right about women in the church. Still today this happens. If a woman has enlightenment, she should talk with her husband about it "at home" and not disrupt the service. Amen. There is an order to follow within those walls; in some churches they open up a time to give testimony; that is your cue to speak forth what you have seen, heard or felt.

B-A-C thank the Lord for you; I don't have to go through and list all the women within the ministry. Amen. You already did most of that.
I am reminded of the time that Jesus was speaking to the men and Mary is planted at Jesus feet. Martha come complaining to Jesus; make her help me. Who am I to serve all of you. And Jesus told Martha; Mary has chosen the better part and I will not take it away from her. Amen

Jesus is my husband; I am bond to Him; He (the Holy Ghost) is my Teacher. He is first and not last. If a man exercise dominion over me, falsely accuse me, persecute me or afflict me, I am by no means to fight against that man, another woman, even a child. Fight against none. Jesus did not fight back. Do you know what He suffered at the hands of the high priest, and elders and scribes? Amen. They can have no power over anyone, except it be given them from above. Amen. Who are we to fight against God?

Prophesy has not ended. Luke 11:31 is rising now. It has not happened yet. Jesus fulfilled His part; more is to come. She will rise up in the judgment, with the men of this generation... men follow with her because she follows the KING; Woman must be able to teach men, or Jesus would not have spoken this passage. Amen. God is Spirit. Revelations 12; she is pained, travailing in birth to be delivered for the testimony in which she carries; the Lord Jesus Christ. The earth will open its mouth and help the woman (people will speak for her, not against her) and eventually she will die at the hands of the same sinners that Jesus died at the hands of. They killed her King and they will kill His queen; To live is Christ, to die is gain. Amen.

Little children; I encourage you all, lay down the flesh, and stop viewing with your fleshly eyes, and view with the heart. The heart is the eye of God. Before we are born again; the heart is as black chunk of coal; it has fleshly life but it has not been made alive in HIM; yet. When we are baptized of water and spirit, the heart is ignited and begins to glow, (God sees our heart, He hears us when we speak from the heart) and as we continue to seek our Lord Jesus it is transformed into a fire; burning bright; it can not be hidden away. God maketh His ministers a flaming fire. We have not been taught by the traditions of the fathers, but by the Holy Ghost, the only true Teacher. Amen.

May the Spirit of God and His glory rest upon you all.
All praise, glory and honor be to GOD. Amen

 

[TaylorDonBarret]

This statement you attached your homosexual garbage to ..... I said nothing about a woman teaching in church
There have been many woman who have ministered to me and taught me through my walk. I pray they continue.
Being born of spirit we are spirit .......... are spirit beings male and female?

First off, lets get one thing straight. Homosexuality is a sin. I do not know why you think it is not. (That doesnt feel good does it? When I accuse you of believing homosexuality is not a sin? well, you have accused me of that several times now in this thread, and I never once suggested that homosexuality was not a sin.)


Secondly, lets take a look and see what you said, and what I responded to. Since you claim that you never said anything about women teaching in church, and that is what I thought you had said.

Here is your very first post in this thread.

There have been many woman who have ministered to me and taught me through my walk. I pray they continue.
Being born of spirit we are spirit .......... are spirit beings male and female?

Galatians 3:28 (NASB)
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is a]"neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Woman as any and all that belong to Him should speak and teach as prompted by Him.

Now when another poster, "redeemed" responded to you by saying that scripture forbids women teaching in church, this is what you replied with:

Brother how come you did not address Gal 3:28?
Please explain these scriptures also, if you will
I Corinthians 11 refer to women prophesying 1 Corinthians 14 Says that when one prophesies it edifies the whole body. Romans 16 starts with Paul telling the saints of Rome to welcome Phoebe and be subject to all she ask of them and to provide all her needs. Is he telling them to subject themselves to her?
Just questions

So it seemed to me like you were on a campaign to try to prove that women can teach in the church, and that you were using as the basis of your argument the idea that "there is neither male nor female" in christ. You even said in your first post:

"Being born of spirit we are spirit .......... are spirit beings male and female?"

And that is the comment I was refering to. You seem to be saying that born-again female believers were no longer female, but that they were actually some new genderless spirit being.

As you have said here=

That is the very question I posed earlier in all this mess. I do not believe that spirit or as spirit we have gender. Like angels who are masculine in appearance their are no female angels or baby angels.

Where do you get this idea? There is not a single verse in the bible to indicate such a thing. It is true that only male angels were ever mentioned, but that does not mean that male angels are not male angels, or that female angels do not exist. Male angels are certainly male angels, and just because female angels have not been mentioned in the bible does not mean that they do not exist. this concept of spirit being without gender is not biblical, its a man-made theory. And it does not hold any weight, the bible is clear that women are women and men are men. Women have certain roles, and men have certain roles. For example, women are not to teach in the church and they are given the right to marry a man. Men are to teach in the church (if called by God) and they are given a right to marry a woman. Now, if we take your idea as true, that born again believers no longer possess gender, well then females can do what males can do and vice versa. Now do you see why I used homosexuality as a tool to show you the flaw in your argument?

Anyways... God bless. No hard feelings.

 

[TaylorDonBarret]

Little children;

I am so glad that the Lord has been working in your life.

However, just because the apostle used a term does not mean that you should use it as well.

The revelation given to the apostles was "exceedingly great" and when they spoke to the church they indeed were speaking to 'little children' (from their perspective). And the church they spoke to was willing and ready to receive instruction from them as if they were little children. Therefore, they welcomed such as a term of endearment.

You, however, on the other hand, are of no higher stature than your brothers and sisters. Not that I took any great offense to your use or the term, but I encourage you to adopt a different approach that is not so demeaning... as if we do not have access to the same Holy Spirit and the same scriptures as you do.

Anyways, I think I remember some of your past posts on here, and If i recall them correctly, then you seem to have made some big changes recently (God has made some big changes in you). And thats just wonderful. The next step is doing something about that style of yours, and that long hair. But thats another conversation...

 

[rag4aCrown]

greetings;
God just reminded me something I left out.
I am whole heartedly, totally submitted to the Lord. My life is not my own; it belongs to God. Amen
Is God above man? Amen.

Lay down the flesh and your carnal views. God is Spirit. We must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
We must be born again of the water and the Spirit
Renewing our minds by washing of water by the Word. Amen
God will minister the Word of truth to you also.

 

[ph8th]

First off, lets get one thing straight. Homosexuality is a sin. I do not know why you think it is not. (That doesnt feel good does it? When I accuse you of believing homosexuality is not a sin? well, you have accused me of that several times now in this thread, and I never once suggested that homosexuality was not a sin.)


Secondly, lets take a look and see what you said, and what I responded to. Since you claim that you never said anything about women teaching in church, and that is what I thought you had said.

Here is your very first post in this thread.


Now when another poster, "redeemed" responded to you by saying that scripture forbids women teaching in church, this is what you replied with:


So it seemed to me like you were on a campaign to try to prove that women can teach in the church, and that you were using as the basis of your argument the idea that "there is neither male nor female" in christ. You even said in your first post:

"Being born of spirit we are spirit .......... are spirit beings male and female?"

And that is the comment I was refering to. You seem to be saying that born-again female believers were no longer female, but that they were actually some new genderless spirit being.

As you have said here=


Where do you get this idea? There is not a single verse in the bible to indicate such a thing. It is true that only male angels were ever mentioned, but that does not mean that male angels are not male angels, or that female angels do not exist. Male angels are certainly male angels, and just because female angels have not been mentioned in the bible does not mean that they do not exist. this concept of spirit being without gender is not biblical, its a man-made theory. And it does not hold any weight, the bible is clear that women are women and men are men. Women have certain roles, and men have certain roles. For example, women are not to teach in the church and they are given the right to marry a man. Men are to teach in the church (if called by God) and they are given a right to marry a woman. Now, if we take your idea as true, that born again believers no longer possess gender, well then females can do what males can do and vice versa. Now do you see why I used homosexuality as a tool to show you the flaw in your argument?

Anyways... God bless. No hard feelings.

It seems you have and continue to bring the issue of homosexuality to the threads on this board...This is not your first...Is that true? Or am I lying. Angels were created beings, explain Matt 22:30

 

[B-A-C]

That is the very question I posed earlier in all this mess. I do not believe that spirit or as spirit we have gender. Like angels who are masculine in appearance their are no female angels or baby angels.

I'm not sure this a good example.
It seems some angels are very masculine.

Gen 6:1; Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,
Gen 6:2; that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
Gen 6:3; Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
Gen 6:4; The Giants were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

I think it would be difficult for angels to mate with human women if they didn't have a gender.

Jude 1:6; And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

 

[rag4aCrown]

Wow... TaylorDonBarret... I am a little children too. Praise God, I am.
I pray the Lord to forgive you of your sin; for you know not what you do; in Jesus name I pray. I thank you Father that you hear me. Amen

 

[rag4aCrown]

Forgive me TaylorDonBarret;
God said it is not good that I let you know what I pray; that is between me and Him. FORGIVE ME.
By doing so; I have become just as you were to me. I ask your forgiveness.
I can not do wrong against God; He corrects me very quick.
I too, just as Paul; am quickened in the Spirit. Amen.
I too, am a little child; I am above none; but have been made one in Christ Jesus; in Him, with Him, by Him, for Him. Amen.
All praise, glory and honor be to GOD. Amen

 

[ph8th]

I'm not sure this a good example.
It seems some angels are very masculine.

Gen 6:1; Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,
Gen 6:2; that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
Gen 6:3; Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
Gen 6:4; The Giants were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

I think it would be difficult for angels to mate with human women if they didn't have a gender.

Jude 1:6; And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Brother this is a deep hole ............ Now PROVE that angels are the sons of God being referred to in the scriptures you are presenting.

 

[rag4aCrown]

Jesus said; when they questioned about who's wife she would be because all seven had her to wife;
You do greatly err; for they do not marry or are given in marriage.....
We all return from God; from which we came. Amen

 

[rag4aCrown]

What has your debate about angels, got anything to do with the OP?
Lord have mercy upon us ALL.
Be quick to listen; slow to speak; and slow to wrath. Amen

 

[ph8th]

What has your debate about angels, got anything to do with the OP?
Lord have mercy upon us ALL.
Be quick to listen; slow to speak; and slow to wrath. Amen

Please forgive me .....I did the very thing I use as an excuse not to participate on these threads.......



Once again I fell

Amongst the jousting

The world wind of opinion

Seems to never end

Whether you are right or wrong

Doesn’t matter to the Lord

His desire for His children

Is to be of one accord

Exploring the mysteries

Of the One

The One who loved us first

Will feed the ones He/s calling

And satisfy their thrust

Should we choose to stand

On all the things we know

We lost sight

Of Jesus

The One who loves us so

 

[TaylorDonBarret]

It seems you have and continue to bring the issue of homosexuality to the threads on this board...This is not your first...Is that true? Or am I lying. Angels were created beings, explain Matt 22:30

It is true that I have brought the topic up a few times. In this day and age, it is vitally important that the true church have a clear, refined, explicit understanding of its position; be exposed to all the arguments, and ready to defend the truth to anyone who attacks it. If you think that you are fully equipped to deal with the tribulation of heresy that is coming our way, then God bless you. I, however, feel that the vast majority of us can do with some training on the subject. It is not just as simple as saying "the bible says its a sin" any longer. You will face well trained theologians who will counter you and give you arguments why your understanding of the bible is wrong. So we must do our due diligence and be ready to defend the faith against even satan himself.

Now, as for Matt 22:30..... the fact that we will not marry in Heaven does not mean that we will be without gender. To make that assumption would be a giant leap in unfounded reasoning. Lets not start making up our own strange philosophies concerning reality... or else we end up like the catholic church, believing in all sorts of "extra biblical" fantasys like purgatory, etc. So we will not marry in Heaven. OK,. There are people on earth who do not marry. It doesn't mean anything. Why would we marry in Heaven anyways? Its not like we can say "till death do us part", and I doubt anyone would want to tie themselves to just one single person for all of eternity! We will be tied to everyone in Heaven already, it will be one big marriage between all of us believers and God.

Wow... TaylorDonBarret... I am a little children too. Praise God, I am.
I pray the Lord to forgive you of your sin; for you know not what you do; in Jesus name I pray. I thank you Father that you hear me. Amen

My sin? You pray the Lord forgive me of what sin? That I suggested you not talk down to people? Your not an apostle, or a prophet, or anything exalted above (at best) an unworthy servant. Your not in any position to be calling anyone a "little child".

It appears to me that you are a brand new convert. Although you were posting here since last may, you used to post in a much different style. Then you took a 2 month break and didnt post at all between august and october. When you came back in october your style was, and still is, completely different. You went from talking plainly to talking in poetic form, basically imitating the language and style of the pauline epistles. So I take it that you were born again during that period of time, and The Holy Spirit is really doing some great work in you these past few months. Which is great. You remind me of myself not too long ago. I was writing people messages using the King James dialect! Old english! Ha Ha.

Anyways, you have, as we all do, a whole lot of purifying to do.

Forgive me TaylorDonBarret;
God said it is not good that I let you know what I pray; that is between me and Him. FORGIVE ME.
By doing so; I have become just as you were to me. I ask your forgiveness.
I can not do wrong against God; He corrects me very quick.
I too, just as Paul; am quickened in the Spirit. Amen.
I too, am a little child; I am above none; but have been made one in Christ Jesus; in Him, with Him, by Him, for Him. Amen.
All praise, glory and honor be to GOD. Amen

there is absolutely nothing wrong with telling people what you are praying for them. In fact, its a good thing to do! There are many instances of it in the bible.

One thing your going to learn (hopefully) is that God didnt really say everything you think you heard God say. We manufacture God's voice in our mind, in our heart, and in our spirit.. and we do it all the time. God rarely actually speaks directly to us, except through His word (the bible). It is important not to follow our hearts, the things we think we hear God telling us, if they ever contradict something in the bible.

So... all in all.. I am praying for you. And I will tell you what I am praying for: that God will lead you into deeper repentance, that He will help you to remain always faithful, and that He will protect you from the evil both inside and outside your body.

God Bless

Brother this is a deep hole ............ Now PROVE that angels are the sons of God being referred to in the scriptures you are presenting.

it is the standard interpretation that they were angels.. based on the fact that in the book of Job angels are refereed to as sons of God.

Job 1:6
Job 2:1
Job 38:7

 

[ph8th]

Good job! Taylor

 

[rag4aCrown]

praise God, taylordonbarret, He accounts my worthy to suffer for His name sake. You know not what spirit ye are of.

As I said, I AM A LITTLE CHILD TOO.

You do to me, just as the hypocrites did to my Lord. It is not me ye despise, but God; you do not receive me because you have not received Him who sent me.

May God have mercy on your wrenched soul.

Glory Lord Glory; I love you Lord. This is nothing compared to what you went through. Thank you Father for your love. You have told us the world will hate you. Lord I know your Word is true. Amen

 

[TaylorDonBarret]

Now I am not sure if you are being satirical and facetious, or if your really being serious.

Do you feel that I am persecuting you? If so, why?

What makes you think that I am not a Christian?

What makes you think I hate you?

Are you being funny?

 

[rag4aCrown]

I praise God for you obedience.
Judas was a chosen vessel of God, as well. God bless you to the fullest.