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Heb 6:4-8 Explanation

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Heb 6:4-8 Explanation

Enlightened, tasted and shared is referring to knowing the truth of God, but falling away from God. Rom 1:18-32. Falling away is a term that describes apostates. Apostates and born again Christians are polar opposite people. Let's ask ourselves, if Heb 6:4-6 says it's impossible to repent then why does the Holy Spirit convict, teach, comfort and never leave us if we can't repent? Contradictory, no?

What does Heb 6:4-8, Matt 13:1-23 and Rom 11:11-24 have in common?
1. Farmer / Crop / Seed / Soil / Thorns and Thistles / Root

Heb 6:4-8 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

THEY HAVE NO ROOT - Matt 13:21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

Matt 13:1-23 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

10The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” 11He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’

16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. 18“Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”

BRANCH BROKEN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF - Rom 11:20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief.

THE LORD IS OUR ROOT/THE ROOT SUPPORTS YOU - Rom 11:11-24 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

- ATP
 
Apostate yes. Not saved to begin with? Then how were they a partaker of the Holy Spirit? Can a non-saved person partake of the Holy Spirit?

There is a difference between "sin" (which we all do, even after we are saved) and willfull sin.
There is a difference between sins we do in the heat of the moment without thinking about them and "practicing" sin.

Heb 10:29; How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Can a non-saved person be sanctified by the blood of the covenant? If so, why do they need Jesus?

2 Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2 Pet 2:21; For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
2 Pet 2:22; It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

Can a non-saved person escape the defilement of the world on their own? Or does he need the "Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" in order to do this?
If we can become undefiled on our power, why do we need Jesus?

Yes Jesus is the root and true vine, yes we can do nothing without Him. We can't bear fruit without Hm, but can bear bad fruit even with Him. It isn't up to the roots what kind of fruit we produce, it's up to each tree.

Matt 3:8; "Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance;
Matt 7:19; "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Even the trees in the masters garden that have had special care and fertilizer added to them can be cut down.

Luke 13:6; And He began telling this parable: "A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any.
Luke 13:7; "And he said to the vineyard-keeper, 'Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?'

Luke 13:8; "And he answered and said to him, 'Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer;
Luke 13:9; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.'"

Both wheat and tares are in the kingdom. ( Matt 13:24-30; )
Good good fish and bad fish are in the kingdom. ( Matt 13:47-50; )

Names in the BOL can be erased.

Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Not everyone in the masters household will remain in his household.

Luke 12:46; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

God gives those in the church time to repent, time to change, but some don't want to change.

Rev 2:21; 'I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.
 
Can a non-saved person be sanctified by the blood of the covenant? If so, why do they need Jesus?

Technically yes.... This is sort of a side conversation but, since you asked (rhetorically):

1 Corinthians 7
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace. 16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save [thy] husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save [thy] wife?

Unbelieving spouses are sanctified for the sake of the children of the believing spouse. Those children as well are sanctified/holy. Both the spouse (unbelieving), and children can turn from that and reject God completely and not be saved. Sanctified means set apart.

Blessings,

Travis
 
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Technically yes.... This is sort of a side conversation but, since you asked (rhetorically):

1 Corinthians 7
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace. 16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save [thy] husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save [thy] wife?

Unbelieving spouses are sanctified for the sake of the children of the believing spouse. Those children as well are sanctified/holy. Both the spouse (unbelieving), and children can turn from that and reject God completely and not be saved. Sanctified means set apart.

Blessings,

Travis

Are these children infants that haven't reached the age of accountability? Or are they adolescents who are still saved even though they never made a decision to accept Christ?
 
Apostate yes. Not saved to begin with? Then how were they a partaker of the Holy Spirit? Can a non-saved person partake of the Holy Spirit?
At that time, this was no way intended to be that they actually partook of the Holy Spirit. How many "so called" Christians today, say they are Christians but have never tasted the Holy Spirit?
  • The writer of Hebrews was saying it is impossible to fall away, once saved.
  • He backs this up by saying if it was not possible to be a Christian, then fall away to apostasy, how could one later comeback to belief, because no sacrifices remain. Besides, Jesus is not going back on the cross to be crucified again for you, and much to his own shame and disgrace!
 
Are these children infants that haven't reached the age of accountability? Or are they adolescents who are still saved even though they never made a decision to accept Christ?

I never said anything about being saved. Just set apart, or made holy/sanctified as some translations put it.
 
What is the difference between saved, sanctified, and holy?

Saved, as I use the word, means to be born again, to have the Holy Spirit dwelling in your spirit, to be sealed until the day of redemption. The word sanctified, as used in the scriptures can have various ranges of meanings. The scripture I quoted in 1 Cor 7 states that an unbelieving spouse is sanctified for the sake of their believing wife or husband. That certainly doesn't mean they are saved just because of their spouse though, only sanctified, or set apart. Also, it seems that the children of believers are made to be holy by that fact alone. But I think we all know the children of believers who have abandoned their parents' faith and rejected Christ. Katie Perry is an example of such a person I believe. She grew up in a Christian home from what I hear, and now she is completely antiChrist.

It seems that 1 Corinthians 7 implies that one can be either sanctified or holy for a time in your life, but not be saved. That's one thing I draw out of that.

Blessings,

Travis
 
Saved, as I use the word, means to be born again, to have the Holy Spirit dwelling in your spirit, to be sealed until the day of redemption.
Travis

So would those in Heb 6:4; qualify?

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
 
So would those in Heb 6:4; qualify?

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

It is definitely possible to have your mind (which is part of your soul) enlightened

John 1
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light. 9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.​

If every man that comes into the world is enlightened by Christ, for it uses the same word here, then is every man (includes women) born again from their birth? That would be a legitimate conclusion if one thinks that Heb 6:4 is saying that enlightened means born again. One does not have to be born again to taste of the heavenly gift or to partake in the Holy Spirit. What do the scriptures say? Jude 1:5 "I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not." Not everyone who is called out of spiritual Egypt, or who eats of the manna, or who benefits from the blessings of walking with the covenant people of God truly believes. The day will come when those who do believe and those who do not believe will become perfectly manifest. The goats will be surprised they are condemned, and the sheep will be surprised, in a sense, that they are accepted. I think we do agree though, that many who appear to be followers of Christ will not continue to be so. This should leave us all quite humbled.
 
I think the use of the words "holy" and "sanctified" in I Corinthians 7, although the same Greek word, has a slightly different meaning than those in pretty much any other verse in the New Testament. If you just look at some of the other verses in scripture it seems pretty obvious that being "holy" and "sanctified" are not things that people just accidentally do, nor are they things to take lightly.

II Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

I Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Acts 7:33 Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground.

Acts 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. Wonder which inheritance is being referred to here? The only identifying factor of the ones that are receiving said inheritance is that they are sanctified, but not "saved", so I guess this couldn't possibly be referring to born again Christians?

I Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

II Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
I believe this to be referring to a "saved" man even though it doesn't actually use the word "saved".

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Now, is this verse referring to someone who is saved or just anyone who has married a Christian person?

Jude 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

 
I Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that you may grow thereby:
I Peter 2:3 If so be you have tasted that the Lord is gracious. A newborn babe? Only tasted that the Lord is gracious?

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. He completely died. He didn't stay that way but he was completely and fully there. No question. You cannot resurrect something that isn't completely dead to begin with.

John 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Luke 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Luke 14:24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
See, they won't taste of the supper, at all.

I find it interesting that the word "taste" in the New Testament is always the Greek word γεύομαι which even today means to savor and the word 'savor' can be defined as:
to enjoy the taste or smell of ( something ) for as long as possible
or
to enjoy ( something ) for a long time

Those verses in Hebrews 6:4 also include tasting the powers of the world to come too, and how many of us can claim that we've done that? And before somebody tries to question it, the word "powers" in this verse is, in fact, the Greek word δύναμις which means force specifically miraculous powers. So, the Hebrews 6 verses are referring to someone who has been very "saved" actually, and has fallen away from God. They chose the world over the things of God.

The word "fall" in the Hebrew verse is apostasy. Apostasy is the 'renunciation of a faith' or 'abandonment of a previous loyalty', it is not referring to the turning down of an altar call after a great church service or refusing to ever accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. And if you ever reach the point that the person in the Hebrews verses reached and choose the world over God you will be doomed forever, not being able to renew yourself by way of repentance anymore.
 
I think the use of the words "holy" and "sanctified" in I Corinthians 7, although the same Greek word, has a slightly different meaning than those in pretty much any other verse in the New Testament. If you just look at some of the other verses in scripture it seems pretty obvious that being "holy" and "sanctified" are not things that people just accidentally do, nor are they things to take lightly.

II Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

I Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Acts 7:33 Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground.

Acts 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. Wonder which inheritance is being referred to here? The only identifying factor of the ones that are receiving said inheritance is that they are sanctified, but not "saved", so I guess this couldn't possibly be referring to born again Christians?

I Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

II Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
I believe this to be referring to a "saved" man even though it doesn't actually use the word "saved".

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Now, is this verse referring to someone who is saved or just anyone who has married a Christian person?

Jude 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

I feel like you are unfairly and intentionally twisting what I was getting at above, here in these posts of yours, and I don't really appreciate it.
 
Well, I'm sorry, Travis, why don't you better clarify what you were trying to say? I admittedly assumed that when you responded to BAC's question about whether or not a person could be sanctified by the blood of Christ without being saved by saying "yes" that we should go into a conversation about what the words "holy" and "sanctified" mean and show their usage in scripture. I thought it a little unfair and intentional of you, actually, to use the one verse from the book of Corinthians to try to make your point when pretty much every other verse in the New Testament uses the words "holy" and "sanctify" to describe what must be born again Christians. Maybe you misunderstood BAC's question? Can a person be sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ and still be an unbeliever, unsaved?
 
Unbelieving spouses are sanctified for the sake of the children of the believing spouse. Those children as well are sanctified/holy. Both the spouse (unbelieving), and children can turn from that and reject God completely and not be saved. Sanctified means set apart.
Leviticus 10:10 You must distinguish between the holy and the common, between the unclean and the clean
  • Who knows the true workings of God.
  • Clearly God said the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife. The reverse could be true, the wife by the husband.
  • It is obvious to me that God had his reasons for this, one does seem that the children can be born sanctified. Knowing God, by no means did that the unbelieving spouse was or would ultimately be saved.
  • Salvation here, at that time and now, much like Abraham, still requires faith.
  • Travis's statement : Both the spouse (unbelieving), and children can turn from that and reject God completely and not be saved , I find as true then is it is now!
 
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