The Law of God, is it dead or alive or on life support?

[pekoe]

Hello Pekoe.

Please read the following text.

Matthew 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have
eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want
to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’
‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and,
‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will
have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom
of heaven. 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich
man to enter the kingdom of God.”
25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Tell me how you understand the text above and with the emphasis on commandment keeping?

I understand that Jesus was testing this mans heart, because Jesus knew he had "great possessions." God says:

"Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?" Is.58:6-7

He told Jesus he loved his neighbor as himself, but when Jesus confronted him about selling and giving to the poor, he walked away because he was lying.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, d one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?" Ja.2:14-16

Do we say we have faith? Do you and I say we believe in Jesus, and then live as though we don't believe in Him? Pray for me brother and I'll pray for you.

 

[Cosmicwaffle]

Not sure what the discussion in this thread is about, but from the looks of it you are discussing whether one needs Jesus in order to be in heaven.

The answer: Those who have faith in Christ have died with him, and they have no debt of sin to be paid. Those without Christ must suffer in hell for their sins. No righteous acts of any man can bring him to heaven, only through Jesus we are granted access into his kingdom.

 

[pekoe]

Jesus paid the fine for all who accept Him as their Savior. She was forgiven because she loved Jesus, therefore Jesus paid her fine because she loved Him.

No Taylor. Jesus didnt say she is forgiven " because I'm paying her fine." He forgave her because she was repentant. That all God wanted.

Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much:

 

[pekoe]

"Now my soul is deeply troubled. Should I pray, 'Father, save me from this hour'? But this is the very

reason I came!

John 12:27

Right, He came to do the will of His Father and He knew it meant doing God will even at the cost of His life. So what's your point?

 

[RJ]

There are many souls who have never even heard of Jesus and if you believe God will condemn them for this reason, then you have a wrong perception of the merciful God described in the Bible.

A person who never read the Bible, but realizes God exists and idesires mercy from his Creator will receive it. If you don't believe that you truly don't know much about your heavenly Father.

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Mt.5:7

These are the words of our King Eternal. Now, are you going to argue with Him?

• No, it is you that pridefully says you know God better than others but you don't support it with scripture!
• You know God, how do you interpret his own word: John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

 

[pekoe]

This makes no sense and not true. Moses face glowed ( similar to the way Jesus glowed during Transfiguration) because he was reflecting the glory of God, which he had just been with. Moses wore a veil in order not to scare the israelites because they were already fearful of God.
Also, as holy and righetoous the Law still is, we do not live under the precepts of the Old Law. We now, live under free Grace, whereby Jesus Christ in us is our Holiness and Righteousne!

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away." 2 Co.3:14-16

They could not understand the gospel because of their hard hearts. They could have repented, but chose not to.

 

[pekoe]

• No, it is you that pridefully says you know God better than others but you don't support it with scripture!
• You know God, how do you interpret his own word: John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Faith in Jesus is believing what He said...everything He stood for. Anyone who follows the principles He taught is the one who truly believes in Him. Such a person may never have know Jesus existed, but Jesus will honor him regardless.

For example, what do children know about the gospel? Nothing, yet Jesus compared children to the residents of Heaven.

You call me prideful? What pride is there in me knowing I'm a sinner in need of God's mercy?

Will the merciful obtain mercy as Jesus says they will?

 

[Taylor Barrett]

Right, He came to do the will of His Father and He knew it meant doing God will even at the cost of His life. So what's your point?

oik... im done trying to help you... i will pray for you.. bye

 

[RJ]

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away." 2 Co.3:14-16

They could not understand the gospel because of their hard hearts. They could have repented, but chose not to.

• Again, this is senseles and is no valid reply to what I said.
• You wish to talk scripture and talk "Veail"...lets talk veil!....Matthew 27: 50-51 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;.....of course you knowing God as well as you boast, you also must know his word as well! Here the veil (curtain)...the veil that separated man from God and the "Holly of Hollies", during the Old Covenant, was torn open for ever because under the New Covenant , God no longer was behind a veil in a man made temple but he resides in the heart of the believer, the one who accepts and recieve Jesus!

 

[Cosmicwaffle]

Faith in Jesus is believing what He said...everything He stood for. Anyone who follows the principles He taught is the one who truly believes in Him. Such a person may never have know Jesus existed, but Jesus will honor him regardless.

For example, what do children know about the gospel? Nothing, yet Jesus compared children to the residents of Heaven.

You call me prideful? What pride is there in me knowing I'm a sinner in need of God's mercy?

Will the merciful obtain mercy as Jesus says they will?

Faith in Jesus is trusting in who he is and what he has done. Faith is a gift from God through which we receive the Holy Spirit to live lives that glorify God.

As for children and those who have never heard the name of Jesus, their fate is in God's hands, and he has not revealed to us where they will be.

While the merciful may obtain mercy, this does not neccesarily mean a washing or payment for sins. Jesus was simply saying those who give mercy will get mercy, not that those who are merciful will escape hell.

 

[RJ]

Faith in Jesus is believing what He said...everything He stood for. Anyone who follows the principles He taught is the one who truly believes in Him. Such a person may never have know Jesus existed, but Jesus will honor him regardless.

For example, what do children know about the gospel? Nothing, yet Jesus compared children to the residents of Heaven.

You call me prideful? What pride is there in me knowing I'm a sinner in need of God's mercy?

Will the merciful obtain mercy as Jesus says they will?

Please stop talking in circles because you can't support your opinion. And please answer the question by directly interpretating Matthew 14:6 and not avoiding it with jiberish!

 

[pekoe]

oik... im done trying to help you... i will pray for you.. bye

That's ok bro. If I need the kind of help you're offering I can just go to church.

 

[RJ]

That's ok bro. If I need the kind of help you're offering I can just go to church.

Church is not going to help you. The only help is the Bible and the Holy Spirit!

 

[pekoe]

• Again, this is senseles and is no valid reply to what I said.

Paul wrote it.

• You wish to talk scripture and talk "Veail"...lets talk veil!....Matthew 27: 50-51 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;.....of course you knowing God as well as you boast, you also must know his word as well! Here the veil (curtain)...the veil that separated man from God and the "Holly of Hollies", during the Old Covenant, was torn open for ever because under the New Covenant , God no longer was behind a veil in a man made temple but he resides in the heart of the believer, the one who accepts and recieve Jesus!

  Yes I know. Jesus lived a sinless life and therefore death couldn't hold Him. If Jesus "paid the price" (death) for sinners, he would not have able to rise from the dead.

 

[pekoe]

Please stop talking in circles because you can't support your opinion. And please answer the question by directly interpretating Matthew 14:6 and not avoiding it with jiberish!

Have you noticed I'm responding to every passage you cite, yet I ask you one simple question and you can't answer it?

 

[pekoe]

Faith in Jesus is trusting in who he is and what he has done. Faith is a gift from God through which we receive the Holy Spirit to live lives that glorify God.

I'm not disagreeing with this.

As for children and those who have never heard the name of Jesus, their fate is in God's hands, and he has not revealed to us where they will be.

If you believe God will send children to damnation them you are immersed in false Christian doctrine.

While the merciful may obtain mercy, this does not neccesarily mean a washing or payment for sins. Jesus was simply saying those who give mercy will get mercy, not that those who are merciful will escape hell.

Yeah...and the meek won't inherit the earth either.

 

[pekoe]

Church is not going to help you. The only help is the Bible and the Holy Spirit!

The Bible and Spirit are helping me. I don't go to church anymore. Organized Christianity is covered in false teaching...original sin for instance is so easily disproven it's amazing that Nonsense ever got started.

 

[Cosmicwaffle]

I'm not disagreeing with this.


If you believe God will send children to damnation them you are immersed in false Christian doctrine.


Yeah...and the meek won't inherit the earth either.

I personally believe babies go to heaven at death, they cannot sin because they cannot rebel against God, all they know is to cry and drink milk. Children are different because some actually can sin against God, but every child is different for the age at which they are able to do so. Autistic, handicap, and mentally ill people are a mystery, because some can sin ( Stephen Hawking anyone? ) while others are completely incapable of understanding right and wrong. As for those who have not heard of Jesus Christ, they are guilty because they know God exists yet they fail to seek him out, and oftentimes they go against the conscience the Lord has given them.

What determines whether one goes to hell is whether they have sinned or not. Some are incapable of sinning or believing the Gospel, and these will go to heaven without Christ. Others are guilty of sin, even if never hearing about Christ.

Surely God will judge correctly, no?

I never said the meek wouldn't inherit the earth. I was just saying being merciful does mean you will be forgiven of your sins.

 

[pekoe]

Please stop talking in circles because you can't support your opinion. And please answer the question by directly interpretating Matthew 14:6 and not avoiding it with jiberish!

But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod. Mt.14:6

Herod had a b-day party and his step daughter danced at it. Now what?

 

[pekoe]

I personally believe babies go to heaven at death, they cannot sin because they cannot rebel against God, all they know is to cry and drink milk.

I agree.

Children are different because some actually can sin against God, but every child is different for the age at which they are able to do so.

Well, Jesus condemned the one who deceive children, not the children themselves:

It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. Lk.17:2

Autistic, handicap, and mentally ill people are a mystery, because some can sin ( Stephen Hawking anyone? ) while others are completely incapable of understanding right and wrong.

Yes I believe God takes a knowledge of understanding into account.

As for those who have not heard of Jesus Christ, they are guilty because they know God exists yet they fail to seek him out.

I meant people who could have no knowledge of Jesus. Of course anyone who truly wants to know God will be drawn to Jesus.

I never said the meek wouldn't inherit the earth. I was just saying being merciful does mean you will be forgiven of your sins.

It's the same context. Jesus said forgive and you'll be forgiven. Let's not start mincing God's words like the Rabbis did...ok?