Jesus christ before and after the "appointed time"

[EphremHagos]

JESUS CHRIST’S IDENTIFICATIONS BEFORE AND AFTER “THE APPOINTED TIME”
Before:
“I have used figures of speech to tell you these things. But the time will come when I will not use figures of speech, but will speak to you plainly about the Father. When that day comes, you will not ask him in my name, and I do not say that I will ask him on your behalf, for the Father himself loves you. He loves you because you love me and have believed that I came from God. I did come from the Father, and I came into the world; and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father.”
JESUS CHRIST, John 16: 25-28
After:
“The attitude you should have is the one Christ Jesus had: He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to become equal with God. Instead of this, of his own free will he gave all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like man and appeared in human likeness. He was humble and walked the path of obedience all the way to death—his death on the cross. For this reason God raised him to the highest place above and gave him the name that is greater than any other name, and so in honor of the name of Jesus all beings in heaven, on earth, and in the world below will fall on their knees, and will openly proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
PAUL, Phil. 2: 5-11
QUESTION: Who is Jesus Christ today, i.e., after the appointed time: “the Son of God” or “God the Father” in person and why?

 

[james1523]

JESUS CHRIST’S IDENTIFICATIONS BEFORE AND AFTER “THE APPOINTED TIME”
Before:
“I have used figures of speech to tell you these things. But the time will come when I will not use figures of speech, but will speak to you plainly about the Father. When that day comes, you will not ask him in my name, and I do not say that I will ask him on your behalf, for the Father himself loves you. He loves you because you love me and have believed that I came from God. I did come from the Father, and I came into the world; and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father.”
JESUS CHRIST, John 16: 25-28
After:
“The attitude you should have is the one Christ Jesus had: He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to become equal with God. Instead of this, of his own free will he gave all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like man and appeared in human likeness. He was humble and walked the path of obedience all the way to death—his death on the cross. For this reason God raised him to the highest place above and gave him the name that is greater than any other name, and so in honor of the name of Jesus all beings in heaven, on earth, and in the world below will fall on their knees, and will openly proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
PAUL, Phil. 2: 5-11
QUESTION: Who is Jesus Christ today, i.e., after the appointed time: “the Son of God” or “God the Father” in person and why?

Jesus is the complete Trinity, the Father, Son and Spirit, in the flesh.

He is the Father: Isaiah 9:6 "And he will be called...Everlasting Father" Jn 14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

He is the Son: Jn 3:16 ""For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son"

He is the Spirit: 2 Cor 3:17 "Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."
Jn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Isaiah 9:6 confirms Jesus is the Son, the Spirit (wonderful counselor), the Father (Mighty God, Everlasting Father):
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


Further scriptures to confirm Jesus is the Trinity in the flesh:

Jn 8:58 "Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!""
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
John 20:28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

Some say Jesus was only the Son of God, the 2nd Person of the Trinity. Even Muslims can accept that Jesus was a 'son of God', in the same sense as any 'prophet'. But Scripture says Jesus is the complete God in human flesh.

This is why the name of Jesus is the name above all names. It is higher than "God", or "Father", or "Holy Spirit". We do not heal the sick or cast out devils in the name of God, or name of the Father, or name of the Spirit, we use the name of Jesus. The name of Jesus refers to the complete Trinity. When we invoke the name of Jesus we gain the Father, the Son, and the Spirit:

This is why it says we only need to obey Jesus, and we gain the Father and the Spirit as well:
John 14:23 "Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

 

[EphremHagos]

Thank you for breaking the ice. I like the details. Hope more comments will follow.

Jesus is the complete Trinity, the Father, Son and Spirit, in the flesh.

He is the Father: Isaiah 9:6 "And he will be called...Everlasting Father" Jn 14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

He is the Son: Jn 3:16 ""For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son"

He is the Spirit: 2 Cor 3:17 "Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."
Jn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Isaiah 9:6 confirms Jesus is the Son, the Spirit (wonderful counselor), the Father (Mighty God, Everlasting Father):
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


Further scriptures to confirm Jesus is the Trinity in the flesh:

Jn 8:58 "Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!""
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
John 20:28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

Some say Jesus was only the Son of God, the 2nd Person of the Trinity. Even Muslims can accept that Jesus was a 'son of God', in the same sense as any 'prophet'. But Scripture says Jesus is the complete God in human flesh.

This is why the name of Jesus is the name above all names. It is higher than "God", or "Father", or "Holy Spirit". We do not heal the sick or cast out devils in the name of God, or name of the Father, or name of the Spirit, we use the name of Jesus. The name of Jesus refers to the complete Trinity. When we invoke the name of Jesus we gain the Father, the Son, and the Spirit:

This is why it says we only need to obey Jesus, and we gain the Father and the Spirit as well:
John 14:23 "Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

 

[james1523]

Strictly speaking Jesus, the man, did not exist before being born of the virgin Mary. Before he was born He was Christ as the Word of God ( John 1).

 

[EphremHagos]

If "Jesus is the complete Trinity, the Father, Son and Spirit, in the flesh" why was it necessary to confuse us with many identifications?

 

[EphremHagos]

I have some serious reservations.

I submit that "Christ as the Word of God" is the UNIVERSAL NAME of "Jesus Christ, the faithful witness: the first-born from the dead" (Rev. 1: 4-9) rather than the name before he was born of the Virgin Mary, which was the name for ever, a.k.a., "I Am Who I Am". (Ex. 3: 1-15)

The seal of the terms and scope in the "new covenant" is found in "the kind of death Christ suffered"!
(Jer. 31: 31-34; Luke 2: 23-35; Matt. 26: 26-29; 27: 50-56; Heb. 10: 19-25)

Strictly speaking Jesus, the man, did not exist before being born of the virgin Mary. Before he was born He was Christ as the Word of God ( John 1).

 

[james1523]

I have some serious reservations.

I submit that "Christ as the Word of God" is the UNIVERSAL NAME of "Jesus Christ, the faithful witness: the first-born from the dead" (Rev. 1: 4-9) rather than the name before he was born of the Virgin Mary, which was the name for ever, a.k.a., "I Am Who I Am". (Ex. 3: 1-15)

The seal of the terms and scope in the "new covenant" is found in "the kind of death Christ suffered"!
(Jer. 31: 31-34; Luke 2: 23-35; Matt. 26: 26-29; 27: 50-56; Heb. 10: 19-25)

The Word became flesh but Jesus did not stop being the Word of God. Divinity took on Humanity without taking away from His Divinity.

 

[james1523]

If "Jesus is the complete Trinity, the Father, Son and Spirit, in the flesh" why was it necessary to confuse us with many identifications?

I would say that the man Jesus Christ is a simplification of the Trinity and not a confusion. Now that God has come to us as a man we can more easily relate to Him and understand Him. The only way to the Father is by the Son Jesus Christ.

Heb 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

 

[EphremHagos]

Based on clearly discernable trends in the Scriptures, I am making the following proposal for further research, i.e., a division of Jesus' ministry into two parts, viz.:

1. JESUS CHRIST I.
Covering the time between the Incarnation and the Suffering *** Glorification in "the kind of death he suffered" in Jerusalem; and

2. JESUS CHRIST II.
Covering the ministry of "life-giving Spirit" as initiated in his death on the cross, intensively rehearsed during 40 days for the rehabilitation of unbelieving disciples and propagated powerfully on the day of Pentecost and thereafter.

I will value your advice and suggestions.

The Word became flesh but Jesus did not stop being the Word of God. Divinity took on Humanity without taking away from His Divinity.

 

[james1523]

Based on clearly discernable trends in the Scriptures, I am making the following proposal for further research, i.e., a division of Jesus' ministry into two parts, viz.:

1. JESUS CHRIST I.
Covering the time between the Incarnation and the Suffering *** Glorification in "the kind of death he suffered" in Jerusalem; and

2. JESUS CHRIST II.
Covering the ministry of "life-giving Spirit" as initiated in his death on the cross, intensively rehearsed during 40 days for the rehabilitation of unbelieving disciples and propagated powerfully on the day of Pentecost and thereafter.

I will value your advice and suggestions.

What exactly are you researching? Yes you could distinguish between His pre-crucifixion earthly and His post-ascension heavenly ministry.
You could consider Christ's post-ascension ministry in two aspects, from Heaven to Earth , and Earth to Heaven - 1) in His heavenly ministry , in His ascension at the right hand of God, as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Sovereignly ruling over all the affairs of the Earth in preparation, to set the stage for His return. 2) In His earthly ministry, as the Spirit of Christ sent to dwell in the believers. Christ as the Spirit in union with the church, the Body of Christ, to carry out Christ's will to save sinners and build His church.

Interestingly, Jesus could not stay on Earth in his human form, He had to come back as the Spirit to be the life giving water to His people, because human flesh profits nothing:
John 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

 

[EphremHagos]

Frankly, my original research is complete long ago.

The primary purpose was to find out whether or not my personal experience of God and new-found faith was sustainable. My findings are much more than expected.

In summary, the research concerns the evidence in the Scriptures for personal knowledge of God, directly based on his self-revelations, a.k.a., "I Am Who I Am", i.e., self-sufficient "source of life" over flowing powerfully to all mankind from Christ's death on the cross, viz.: "the seal" or one-stop solution of the terms in the "new covenant" without any regard whatsoever to theology.

The advice I seek from you is on ways and means of propagation of my findings. Thank you in advance.
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What exactly are you researching? Yes you could distinguish between His pre-crucifixion earthly and His post-ascension heavenly ministry.
You could consider Christ's post-ascension ministry in two aspects, from Heaven to Earth , and Earth to Heaven - 1) in His heavenly ministry , in His ascension at the right hand of God, as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Sovereignly ruling over all the affairs of the Earth in preparation, to set the stage for His return. 2) In His earthly ministry, as the Spirit of Christ sent to dwell in the believers. Christ as the Spirit in union with the church, the Body of Christ, to carry out Christ's will to save sinners and build His church.

Interestingly, Jesus could not stay on Earth in his human form, He had to come back as the Spirit to be the life giving water to His people, because human flesh profits nothing:
John 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.