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Rules of salvation?

ushalk

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There are a lot lies about rules to how you know someone is saved or not.

1. You have to be in a church building every time the doors open.

2. The only place that you can get true fellowship is in a church building.

3. You have to ware a suit and tie or a dress at al times.

4. you can or can not cut or hair.

5. You can or can shave.

6. You have to have money or nice things.

This is just a few of the thousands of rules i have heard concerning salvation. If you feel these are biblical, please share scripture to back up your claim.
 
There are a lot lies about rules to how you know someone is saved or not.

1. You have to be in a church building every time the doors open.

2. The only place that you can get true fellowship is in a church building.

3. You have to ware a suit and tie or a dress at al times.

4. you can or can not cut or hair.

5. You can or can shave.



6. You have to have money or nice things.

This is just a few of the thousands of rules i have heard concerning salvation. If you feel these are biblical, please share scripture to back up your claim.

By scripture there is a formula or plan for salvation:

Part one is to repent.

Part two is to be baptized.

Part three " ..and you shall receive the Holy Spirit "

There is no plan B
 
There are a lot lies about rules to how you know someone is saved or not.

1. You have to be in a church building every time the doors open.

2. The only place that you can get true fellowship is in a church building.

3. You have to ware a suit and tie or a dress at al times.

4. you can or can not cut or hair.

5. You can or can shave.

6. You have to have money or nice things.

This is just a few of the thousands of rules i have heard concerning salvation. If you feel these are biblical, please share scripture to back up your claim.

In which church(s) have you heard these rules? I have heard a number of unbiblical things, but never heard these rules in the context of salvation. I'm finding the bigger and more sinister problem is liberalism not fundamentalism.
 
There are a lot lies about rules to how you know someone is saved or not.

1. You have to be in a church building every time the doors open.

2. The only place that you can get true fellowship is in a church building.

3. You have to ware a suit and tie or a dress at al times.

4. you can or can not cut or hair.

5. You can or can shave.

6. You have to have money or nice things.

This is just a few of the thousands of rules i have heard concerning salvation. If you feel these are biblical, please share scripture to back up your claim.

Where did you get such a list?
 
a few good questions, let us take a look at another church system or 3. mennonite, unted pentecostal, apostolic, church of christ.
 
Naw, let us look at Jesus. :shade:

Amen!!!
Yes Jesus is the only way of Salvation

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:12

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Timothy 2:5
 
There are a lot lies about rules to how you know someone is saved or not.

1. You have to be in a church building every time the doors open.

2. The only place that you can get true fellowship is in a church building.

3. You have to ware a suit and tie or a dress at al times.

4. you can or can not cut or hair.

5. You can or can shave.

6. You have to have money or nice things.

This is just a few of the thousands of rules i have heard concerning salvation. If you feel these are biblical, please share scripture to back up your claim.


ushalk: Often those who look for an excuse to not to go to church, will say I love Jesus but hate the church, they are a bunck of ...bla...bla...bla. Jesus so loves the "church" he died for us who follow Him. Paul addresses how we are to act and love each other in the context of being the body of Christ.

The church should be known for a place of fellowship, love and caring for wounded and lost souls. Fellowiship can happen when ever two are together, specfically Jesus amd me have fellowship.

There are churches that do have a unspoken dress code. If I don't like a church for what ever reason, I would look for like minded sould gathered in Jesus name and go there. Every church has ways of fitting in. So do the Elks Club, the Service members of the USA, and the police and so forth. I go to a church where VERY poor pleple go, some in bib-overalls. most all themen are in jenes, in the summer some ware shorts. There is nothing that says what we should ware as long as it is not sensual, and in goos taste.

The issue of hair went out so long ago! I have a beard like the amish, and it is just the way my wife likes it.

What does nice things really mean? What is nice to you might not be nice to me. Who makes the standard of what is nice? I have a leather Bible because I know it lasts longer. As a preacher I bought only leather Bibles because I wanted then to last. Someone might think a bonded leather was nice. Who are any of to judge that? I drive a seven year old car with 142,000 miles on it, I think it's a nice vehicle. Someone else might say it's got a lot of miles on it and it is not so nice. So what is nice depends on who say' it's nice.

I know that your list can go deeper and can really hurt people. Say for instance, divorced folk's can't serve except do lowley jobs. Or if you don't tithe you can't be a member. Unless you are in college you can't be in the college age class. Unless you are a delegate you can't go to a special business meeting. For that matter unless you own a Corvett you can't join their club. We all have limits on what we can join or do. We as adults have to make the choice as to what really matters to us, and the people we want to be with.

There are millions of reasons for people not to go to church, or be baptized, join a church, take part in the Lord's supper, go to Sunday School,. We all have reasons to do or not to do as we please. Blessings


farout
 
Most churches teach a false salvation plan anyway, its so simple even child could understand it.
A Saint or an aint?

Act 3:19 Therefore repent and convert so that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow(obey) Me.

Either you are one or the other, no such things as a sinning saint! A saint is walking in the present tense with Christ, being obedient, pure in heart and deed, and listening to His voice, then they follow Him on the narrow road. Luke 9-23-24.

Luke 9:23 And He said to all, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me.
Luke 9:24 For whoever will save his life shall lose it, but whoever will lose his life for My sake, he shall save it.

A real saint as described in the Bible has crucified his flesh with Christ, Galatians 2-20,

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith(obedience) toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf.


Once and for all, hence I have been crucified, and thus they now walk in newness of life, 2 Corinthians 5-17.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new.


Cleansed and purified of all willful sin, through a real repentance and faith. 2 Corinthians 7-10-11.

2Co 7:10 For the grief according to God works repentance to salvation, not to be regretted, but the grief of the world works out death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this same thing (you being grieved according to God); how much it worked out earnestness in you; but also defense; but also indignation; but also fear; but also desire; but also zeal; but also vengeance! In everything you approved yourselves to be clear (pure) in the matter.



They must remain diligent and faithful to the truth, obey from the heart, and keep themselves undefiled from the world and its false ways! 1 John 2-15-17.

1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him,
1Jn 2:16 because all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passes away, and the lust of it, but he who does the will of God abides forever.



You are not a saint without actually doing the works of righteousness(doing what is right) Jesus didn’t obey for you, but made a way, through His bold example for us to follow, He said His sheep follow Him and His steps and ways, which leads to eternal life. But sadly most churches teaches Jesus did it all for them, He took their place, and a real Christian is actually a sinner, but called a saint because they believe in Jesus!

Rom 8:4 So that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

It’s simple, obedience matters, those who count the cost and endure to the end will inherit eternal life, as you walk in the spirit, and not the flesh, walking as Jesus walked, in sincerity, purity and love!

A real saint will not be perfect as some think perfection is( as perfect as God) BUT will be living the crucified life, that only comes through repentance and faith both proven by deeds! And these deeds include obeying Jesus from the heart, abstaining from all appearances of evil, departing from iniquity, counting the cost, and most of all, crucifying your flesh with Christ once and for all, not because He did it for you, but because He commands you to do it, and a real saint will never argue in favor of sin!

Gal 5:24 But those belonging to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Tommy

Many will say this way is too difficult, and will come up with many excuses why they can’t obey and follow Jesus on the narrow road, but Jesus made it perfectly clear when He said, strive to enter the narrow gate, where the professing church says, it’s done for you, you cannot obey God, and to fear Him isn't important, just believe all is done, you do nothing but trust it has been done for you! Does this sound like the narrow way Jesus preached in the word?

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
Most churches teach a false salvation plan anyway, its so simple even child could understand it.
A Saint or an aint?

Once again we have a totally un-provable statement. That is unless of course you have personally visited a couple of hundred thousand churches in order to take a "salvation survey" to see if they meet your standard of interpretations.
 
Most churches teach a false salvation plan anyway, its so simple even child could understand it.
A Saint or an aint?

Act 3:19 Therefore repent and convert so that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow(obey) Me.

Either you are one or the other, no such things as a sinning saint! A saint is walking in the present tense with Christ, being obedient, pure in heart and deed, and listening to His voice, then they follow Him on the narrow road. Luke 9-23-24.

Luke 9:23 And He said to all, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me.
Luke 9:24 For whoever will save his life shall lose it, but whoever will lose his life for My sake, he shall save it.

A real saint as described in the Bible has crucified his flesh with Christ, Galatians 2-20,

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith(obedience) toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf.


Once and for all, hence I have been crucified, and thus they now walk in newness of life, 2 Corinthians 5-17.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new.


Cleansed and purified of all willful sin, through a real repentance and faith. 2 Corinthians 7-10-11.

2Co 7:10 For the grief according to God works repentance to salvation, not to be regretted, but the grief of the world works out death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this same thing (you being grieved according to God); how much it worked out earnestness in you; but also defense; but also indignation; but also fear; but also desire; but also zeal; but also vengeance! In everything you approved yourselves to be clear (pure) in the matter.



They must remain diligent and faithful to the truth, obey from the heart, and keep themselves undefiled from the world and its false ways! 1 John 2-15-17.

1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him,
1Jn 2:16 because all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passes away, and the lust of it, but he who does the will of God abides forever.



You are not a saint without actually doing the works of righteousness(doing what is right) Jesus didn’t obey for you, but made a way, through His bold example for us to follow, He said His sheep follow Him and His steps and ways, which leads to eternal life. But sadly most churches teaches Jesus did it all for them, He took their place, and a real Christian is actually a sinner, but called a saint because they believe in Jesus!

Rom 8:4 So that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

It’s simple, obedience matters, those who count the cost and endure to the end will inherit eternal life, as you walk in the spirit, and not the flesh, walking as Jesus walked, in sincerity, purity and love!

A real saint will not be perfect as some think perfection is( as perfect as God) BUT will be living the crucified life, that only comes through repentance and faith both proven by deeds! And these deeds include obeying Jesus from the heart, abstaining from all appearances of evil, departing from iniquity, counting the cost, and most of all, crucifying your flesh with Christ once and for all, not because He did it for you, but because He commands you to do it, and a real saint will never argue in favor of sin!

Gal 5:24 But those belonging to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Tommy

Many will say this way is too difficult, and will come up with many excuses why they can’t obey and follow Jesus on the narrow road, but Jesus made it perfectly clear when He said, strive to enter the narrow gate, where the professing church says, it’s done for you, you cannot obey God, and to fear Him isn't important, just believe all is done, you do nothing but trust it has been done for you! Does this sound like the narrow way Jesus preached in the word?

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.


Tommy: Is it possible to live a life, after we become a christian, without ever sinning?

farout
 
Most churches teach a false salvation plan anyway, its so simple even child could understand it.

Hello Tommy061.

Good post, good depth of understanding.

I love the following line that you quoted;

2 Corinthians 5
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:
old things are passed away; behold all things are become new.

All things, and that means all things, have become new!

We are a new person in Christ, a totally new creation,
a spiritual person. Rescued from the wrath of God, rescued
from death, by the one and only King of Kings, Jesus Christ.

What an awesome gospel the Christian gospel really is.

Well, what work is it that we have to do?

We are in debt to Jesus in one way only, all that is
required is Love from a pure heart, Tommy061.
 
Accusation based on assumption = biased opinion and slander due to prejudice or misplaced religiosity.
That type of thing is a tool for darkness and feeds man's need (fleshly) to divide the body. If there is to be an accusation then it should either be presented factually or considered gossip (or perhaps worse).

Red emphasis mine.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
 
a few good questions, let us take a look at another church system or 3. mennonite, unted pentecostal, apostolic, church of christ.

What about non-denominational, might as well through them in too.

It matters not what denomination you chose to worship and serve with, it matters what is in the heart. Salvation is of the heart.

man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

Romans 14:4 - Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
 
If we love the denominations as systems and not the people we love division and we don't truly understand what the one loaf of bread at the communion table truly represents....the one Body of Christ (Ephesians 4). Now if we worship in a church on a street corner and talk about love and share in the communion bread and wine and there is another church down the street.. it really makes no sense to have multiple half empty churches within a 5 mile radius. If we think God is happy with this situation we are deceiving ourselves. Each church shares and breaks its own loaf of bread within its 4 walls without understanding the true meaning of what they are doing... it is just a tradition/rule/custom to them.
 
As I understand it there is only one way to salvation.to believe on Christ Jesus accepting Him as you're personal Lord and savior ...every thing else is Icing on the cake.......Rev. I just want add we make jumping through hoops because it helps us be on the mountain ,the pedistal syndrome so to speak , all it took was for me to be introduced to the cross alone that compels me to serve and seek His will .we truly need to get back to Christ as a basic salvation tool ..!
 
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As I understand it there is only one way to salvation.to believe on Christ Jesus accepting Him as you're personal Lord and savior ...every thing else is Icing on the cake.......Rev

This salvation message, is a small, but very important part of the whole New Testament Scriptures... much of the New Testament is devoted to that which you call the "icing"...how to love our neighbor.. how to get along with others.. how to walk in the Spirit...how to overcome sin, the world and satan.. how to preach the gospel..general instructions concerning how to run a church, and things like this.. That's a lot of icing there my friend... lol.
 
If we love the denominations as systems and not the people we love division and we don't truly understand what the one loaf of bread at the communion table truly represents....the one Body of Christ (Ephesians 4). Now if we worship in a church on a street corner and talk about love and share in the communion bread and wine and there is another church down the street.. it really makes no sense to have multiple half empty churches within a 5 mile radius. If we think God is happy with this situation we are deceiving ourselves. Each church shares and breaks its own loaf of bread within its 4 walls without understanding the true meaning of what they are doing... it is just a tradition/rule/custom to them.

Agreed.........ALL born again children of God are one body. Denomination can cause problems when the denomonation is worshiped and served over and above Christ.

I am a member of no denomination, I am a blood bought, born again child of God. I conduct services at a campground and have had many denominations in my congregation; from Amish to Catholic to Pentacostal and everything in between. I preach Jesus Christ to them, the Word, only the Word. Many accept it and believe it but they don't go away and change their denomination.

Denomination does not condemn a person unless it comes before Christ.
 
Agreed.........ALL born again children of God are one body. Denomination can cause problems when the denomonation is worshiped and served over and above Christ.

I am a member of no denomination, I am a blood bought, born again child of God. I conduct services at a campground and have had many denominations in my congregation; from Amish to Catholic to Pentacostal and everything in between. I preach Jesus Christ to them, the Word, only the Word. Many accept it and believe it but they don't go away and change their denomination.

Denomination does not condemn a person unless it comes before Christ.

Praise God! Well if God wants a person out of a denomination He will make it happen one way or another :). If not , then serve God the best we can in the denomination He has put us in. The sad reality is that the many Scriptures concerning unity and oneness are not taken seriously by many Christians. And they are just as important, if not more important, and even more clear, than the scriptures against homosexuality. If only Christians were more concerned about divisions in the Body rather than homosexuality and abortion, we would see revival. It seems to be more about not offending others and loving others, more than not offending God by our disunity.
 
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Justification is quite simple, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

But a true convert is promised santification by God, here's a study I just got done with...

“Ephesians 2:8-10 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”

Many people hear the message of justification and assume, “that’s it, I’m good” but we see that a true convert will show signs of their conversion, (Philippians 1:6) "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:", it’s a very delicate balance. We recognize that it is not our works that save us, but a true convert naturally desires to serve. I encourage the reader to examine themselves… (2 Corinthians 13:5) "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" Now enters the fruit test, not so much to look at others, but to humbly look at yourself…</pre>
</pre>A simple 10 point inspection from 1John:
1)1:6 “If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth”
a.Fairly simple isn’t it? How can we believe In Christ who is light and righteousness but walk in darkness?
i.This does not mean we no longer sin, but to live habitually sinful is literally impossible.
2)2:3 “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.”
a.Again fairly simple, if we recognize what he has done for us, we will desire to keep his commandments, obviously I’m still in a sinful body, but it is my desire to do right. You should feel conviction when you do sin. And conviction should lead to repentance.
3)2:6 “He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”
a.We should walk as Jesus walked, Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and gave mercy and grace to the humble.
b.He fed the hungry, he healed the sick, he was the good Samaritan, we should have a desire to help others, not to be saved, but as a result of our salvation.
4)2:9 “he that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.”
a.Let’s be mindful to forgive shall we? Jesus Christ was perfect and yet suffered an eternities worth of hell in 3 hours so that you and I might be forgiven, the least we could do is forgive our transgressors.
5)2:15 “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
a.The world offers many pleasures, I don’t think we need to get rid of everything, but it shouldn’t be our hearts desire either.
i.What are your long term goals? Buy a house? Buy a car? Buy a boat? Perhaps money and things are on the mind more than the one who saved you? As we see here, if we desire these things above Christ and His kingdom, we may not be saved.
6)2:28 “And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.”
a.Like a good friend of mine always says, “don’t get caught with your pants down” If Christ came back at this moment, would you be ashamed? Or would you be confident?
7)3:3 “And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure”
a.You should be at war with sin. You should desire to be rid of it. We understand it is a continual struggle until we die and are made perfect in Christ, but this battle is serious.
b.This is more than an outward appearance; there is a war for our hearts and minds. Are you serving Christ or Satan?
c.The true mark of a believer is that I literally hate my sin. The apostle Paul said: (Romans 7:21-25) "I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. {22} For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: {23} But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. {24} O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? {25} I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."
8)3:16-17 “Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. {17} But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?”
a.Have a giving heart. Materialism is one of the greatest downfalls of America. So much is said in the bible about the power of money and riches but none sums it up better than: (1 Timothy 6:10) "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
9)4:2-3 “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: {3} And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
a.Have you confessed with your mouth that Jesus came in the flesh and is of God, that is to say, is God, as we’ve seen previously? If not, it looks by this verse that you have another spirit master…
10)4:15 “Whoso ever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he is in God.”
a.If you are coming from a religious background that rejects Jesus as God, you’ve probably been shown this verse as proof, but what happens is you continue reading? 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 
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