EphremHagos
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What if there is a serious difference in standard of truth between JESUS CHRIST and CHRISTIANITY according to the Holy Bible itself? :shock:
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What I have in mind concerns the whole world.
The standard of truth is defined in principle (John 14: 6, 18-21) and demonstrated in practice (Ibid. 19: 30-37).
Our difference from that criterion is wide open. Isn't it?
The standard of truth is defined in principle (John 14: 6, 18-21) and demonstrated in practice (Ibid. 19: 30-37).
Our difference from that criterion is wide open. Isn't it?
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What really stands out, is John 14:21-23. How many people since the ascension of Jesus to heaven, have seen Christ? His Word is true, which makes John 14:21 true. If Jesus has not 'manifested' Himself to us, should we not worry? I think we should. Secondly, if we are given some special wisdom, others will not believe us, and as it is written, we will be 'thrown out of the church' by man. How many ministers that you know of, have been thrown out of their church, because they try to teach others wisdom that God gave unto them? I know of NONE. Christ stated that if they threw the master out (HIMSELF), they will surely throw you out.
Wouldn't that be the ten commandments-God;s law? What other basis for reasoning about what is right or wrong is in the Bible?
Remember, that Christ gave us another commandment...to love others, as we basically love ourselves...to do unto others as we would have them do unto us. If we glorify God in all that we do and think, are honest and helpful to other human beings, keep our bodies holy, and be ready to teach the scriptures to others, then we are on the right track. We must not become 'high-headed', but realize that the Word of God, belongs to God, not us.
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The choices are two. They are not at all hard to make. These are:
1. Either "no one was thrown out of the church for teaching others wisdom that God gave unto them”.
2. Or this is happening just like predicted by the Master himself even if it is not common knowledge. <!-- google_ad_section_end -->
1. Either "no one was thrown out of the church for teaching others wisdom that God gave unto them”.
2. Or this is happening just like predicted by the Master himself even if it is not common knowledge. <!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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If you allow only the given texts to answer the question, you will get the greastest surprise of your life! Please try.
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Suppose, the Ascension is an event associated with Christ’s death on the cross as serialized below?
1. "Seeing the Son of Man going back up to the place where he was before", i.e., glory, (John 6: 62-64),
2. "When I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to me" as indication of the kind of death Jesus was going to suffer for drawing everyone to himself (Ibid. 12:32-33) and
3. “When I go …; I will come back to you. In a little while the world will see me no more, but you will see me; and because I live you also will live.” (Ibid. 14: 18-19)
4. “People will look at him whom they pierced.” (Ibid, 19:37)
I submit that the number of people who have seen Jesus Christ since his "ascension" to heaven depends on how we view and appreciate his death on the cross,viz.: the means of his self-revelation. Don't you agree?
1. "Seeing the Son of Man going back up to the place where he was before", i.e., glory, (John 6: 62-64),
2. "When I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to me" as indication of the kind of death Jesus was going to suffer for drawing everyone to himself (Ibid. 12:32-33) and
3. “When I go …; I will come back to you. In a little while the world will see me no more, but you will see me; and because I live you also will live.” (Ibid. 14: 18-19)
4. “People will look at him whom they pierced.” (Ibid, 19:37)
I submit that the number of people who have seen Jesus Christ since his "ascension" to heaven depends on how we view and appreciate his death on the cross,viz.: the means of his self-revelation. Don't you agree?
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There is, just look at the condition of the modern church today, Jesus said they were poor, blind and naked, lukewarm, they have a form of godliness but deny the power of God! The true saints are the called out ones who heed the warnings to flee Babylon, and follow the real Jesus who came to set them free from the bondages of sin, not become their covering or take their wrath, so be sure you are following the Jesus of the Bible, and not some concocted image made by man!
Come out of Her!
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
What did Jesus mean when He boldly warns His creation to come out of her! Who are His people? And what are they to come out of?
I believe these questions can be easily answered when you take the whole council of God, which is His untouched, and unblemished word of truth, which has been made into a system of lies and errors, many will NOT be able to escape before the judgment comes!
Many bible pundits will argue against this powerful verse, along with many more leading up to this strong warning from the King of Kings!
2Co 6:17 Therefore come out from among them and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing. And I will receive you
2Co 6:18 and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.
Coming out from among them or her is very misunderstood in the church system today, where the Lord is simply calling all those trapped in Babylon (false, confused system of errors) to leave quickly, or suffer along with the masses who have chosen to ignore the few calling them out, but instead fight them with their select favorite verses that quenches any conviction left in them.
They will argue they are saved, they said the Billy Graham sinners prayer, and have accepted the provision where all their sins and disobedience is forgiven, past, present and future, then these strong warning do not pertain to them but to another apostate church that doesn’t fall in line with their liberal gospel!
They will claim they are IN the truth, while those in their beloved church are dying in wanton sin and rebellion every day, they boast holiness and heart purity is impossible this side of heaven, and call the few who say they have actually crucified their flesh with Christ, liars, self-righteous, and deceived!
The table will be turned in the near future I believe, and those who have made the choice to count the cost, and come out from among her and be separate, will not share in her great sins, plagues and disobedience!
Jesus came to set the standard, which is way below par today, thanks to the likes of the so called great reformation, most of you cling to, you praise heretics such as Calvin, and Luther, Augustine, and cling to a saved IN SIN gospel, that renders you void of any REAL heart purity, and separation.
You shoot the messengers of truth, calling us out, when you refuse to read anything we post, but instead keep coming with your conceived notions and rhetoric, that makes John 3-16, Eph 2-8-9, and many others verses conform to your sin nature theory, no works of a loving faith of obedience is lost in a sea of reformed errors you refuse to come out of!
It’s not uncommon to read many posts daily, from those who are trapped in their flesh, crying out for help, their marriages are on the rocks, they are addicted to the gross perversions on the internet, (porn) and go on and on about their worldly possessions, their vile video games, movies, TV, sports, while the truth that can transform their souls is lost and covered by their carnal mind, that was never crucified with Christ as commanded.
Repentance to them is a mere afterthought, that may or may not occur in their lukewarm existence, since all the pastors, and highly esteemed bible pundits tell them constantly, they are the chief of sinners, or the Romans wretch, and will always be in battle with their inbreed sin nature they got just for being born!
What a colossal shame! They refuse to come out from her and be separate, because they know they will lose much in the process, they have refused to count the cost, and give lip service to the few giving them the truth, telling them they believe all we preach because it’s the word of God, BUT they refuse to come out of the false system. They claim they are all right, and even though their beloved pastor is teaching many reformed errors, such as original sin, substitution, OSAS, etc., they say they can chew the meat and spit out the bones, another words they can sit among the lost and sinning crowd, and do absolutely nothing to challenge their beloved pastor or church leaders as to why they are promising their lost congregation liberty, while they wallow in sin and disobedience!
Could it be because they actually do not love the truth? Or they just do NOT believe or accept the words of God at its given values, but instead they want to cover it up in a blanket of lies that allow them to stay in the system of errors, (Babylon) and be judged with them because they refuse to warn them, and come out and follow Jesus on the narrow road?
There comes a time when mankind will have to make a God given choice to come out from among her as warned! They cannot sit on the fence and claim all is well, and that they were declared saved when they received Jesus, thus it doesn’t matter if they stay in the system of lies drowning in their worldliness and false doctrines of men!
When they tell you that you were born a wretched sinner, followed by the Jesus substitution plan, then it all goes downhill from here. Repentance isn’t mandatory (a work of faith) obedience is just an option, which to them means you can obey or not, but it has no influence on your salvation because Jesus took your wrath, thus obeyed for you!
So to sum this warning up, This powerful warning from Revelation is just a suggestion, not to be taken literally, since Jesus came out for you, obeyed for you, repented for you, departed from iniquity for you, crucified His flesh for you, took you wrath, went and sinned no more for you, overcame for you, all because you were born totally unable to simply say NO to you flesh, disobedience, rebellion, evil, the ways of the world, and most of all you were unable to flee the system of lies and take a season to test all things, and make your calling sure as commanded!
Num 16:21 Separate yourselves from among this congregation, so that I may devour them in a moment.
Num 16:22 And they fell upon their faces and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin and will You be angry with all the congregation?
God is not playing games here, His warnings are true and sure, as they stand today. The true followers of Christ were the few, and the remnant, who stood aloof of the apostate system, they counted to cost, walked the walk, were hated, despised and ignored, but they were in the favor of God, not making excuses why they can be in and among the lies and deceptions, and think they are OK with God!
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.
Tommy
Rev 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads and hears the Words of this prophecy, and the ones keeping the things written in it, for the time is near.
There is a 'third' choice. Perhaps the world is quickly returning to the days of Noah, and even most Christians are not in God's favour any longer. There is no longer 'one' written 'Word of God'. Who 'anointed' the authors of all of these new 'bibles' to speak/write on God's behalf? It seems that no one cares what happened to the two sons of Aaron, when they changed God's Word (instructions for carrying out a sacrifice). God killed them. We are judged against EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God. If the new 'bibles' even contain ONE error beyond what is currently contained in the KJV Bible, the 'one rotten apple spoils the barrel' saying, just might be true.
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O.K. I agree.
