The true church

[bgsda]

Ok Truth and david I see this is going to keep going in circles and people will stay deceived. Ok guys we are still in the topic of Gods true end time church or people. Read Rev.14:6And I saw another angel flyin the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwellon the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come : and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.Now I can sit here and break down these verses but that would take an hour. Ill show you these characteristics because remember these are Gods end time characteristics from the Bible.

1.Angel means simply messengers,so it is fiting that God uses 3 angels to symbolize of His 3 point Gospel message for the last dys. God uses the symbolism of angels to remind us that the supernatural power will accompany the messages. Mark 16:15 says the same thing.

 

[bgsda]

Ok Truth and david I see this is going to keep going in circles and people will stay deceived. Ok guys we are still in the topic of Gods true end time church or people. Read Rev.14:6And I saw another angel flyin the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwellon the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come : and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.Now I can sit here and break down these verses but that would take an hour. Ill show you these characteristics because remember these are Gods end time characteristics from the Bible.

1.Angel means simply messengers,so it is fiting that God uses 3 angels to symbolize of His 3 point Gospel message for the last dys. God uses the symbolism of angels to remind us that the supernatural power will accompany the messages. Mark 16:15 says the same thing.

 

[SavedinChrist]

Read Rev.14:6And I saw another angel flyin the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwellon the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come : and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

I had just to grin. The LDS becomes exactly this quotation is abused by LDS missionaries to lure people in their cult. And I think other "churches" also will abuse this verse from the Bible. An "other Gospel" can be announced splendidly as that one of the Bible with that.
I would feel very much to reveal a topic to the LDS over the wrong gospels.

 

[David777]

Did Christ Abolish the Law of Moses?

By Wayne Jackson (Christian Courier)

“Some teach that Christians are not under obligation to keep the Sabbath day in this age.
If that is the case, how is Matthew 5:17-18 to be explained? Did not Christ say that the law
would not be destroyed; that it would last as long as heaven and earth?”

In Matthew’s record of what is commonly called, “The Sermon on the Mount,” these words of Jesus are recorded:

“Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished” (Mt. 5:17-18).

It is frequently argued that if Jesus did not “destroy” the law, then it must still be binding.
Accordingly, such components as the “sabbath day” requirement must be operative still, along with,
perhaps, numerous other elements of the Mosaic regime. This assumption is grounded upon a
misunderstanding of the words and intent of this passage.

We may confidently affirm that Christ did not here suggest that the binding nature of the law of Moses
would remain perpetually obligatory. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance
of the New Testament record. Consider the following points.

(1) Of special significance in this study is the word rendered “destroy.” It translates the Greek term
<code>kataluo,</code> literally meaning to “loose down.” The word is found seventeen times in the New Testament.
It is used, for example, of the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans (Mt. 26:61; 27:40; Acts 6:14),
and of the dissolving of the human body at death (2 Cor. 5:1).

The term can carry the extended meaning of “to overthrow,” i.e., to “render vain, deprive of success.”
In classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of “to deprive of force”
or to “invalidate.”

(2) It is especially important to note how the word is used in Matthew 5:17.
In this context, “destroy” is set in opposition to “fulfill.”
Christ came "…not to destroy, but [<code>alla</code> — adversative particle] to fulfill.

The meaning is this. Jesus did not come to this earth for the purpose of acting as an adversary of the law.
His goal was not to frustrate its fulfillment. Rather, he revered it, loved it, obeyed it, and brought it to fruition.
He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding himself (Lk. 24:44).
Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience or else imposed a “curse” (see Gal. 3:10,13).

In this sense, the law’s divine design will ever have an abiding effect.
It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

(3) If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status,
as it did before Christ came, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what he came “to do.”

On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish what he came to accomplish, then the law was fulfilled,
and it is not a binding legal regime today.

(4) If the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ, and thus remains as an obligatory legal system for today,
then it is not a partially binding regime; rather, it is totally compelling system.

Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script)
would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely
accomplished its purpose.


“But,” some surmise, “does not the text affirm that the law would last until ‘heaven and earth’ pass away?”

No, only that it would be “easier” for the universe to pass away than for the law of God not to fulfill its mission (cf. Lk. 16:17).


And so, if one contends, on the basis of Matthew 5:17-18, that Moses’ law is still binding as a legally required regime,
he must take all of it — including its bloody sacrifices, annual treks to Jerusalem, purification rituals, etc.

As Paul later will argue — if a man receives one portion of the law [as binding for justification],
he is a debtor to do all of it (Gal. 5:3).

This is the logical consequence of the misguided “sabbatarian” view of this important text.


(5) In addition to the points listed above, Paul clearly argues, in his letter to the Ephesians, that the
“law of commandments contained in ordinances” was “abolished” by the death of Jesus upon the cross (2:14-15).

The Greek term for “abolished” is <code>katargeo,</code> literally suggesting the idea of reducing something to a state of inactivity.


Paul uses this term twice in Romans 7:2,6 — showing that just as a wife is “discharged” from the law of her husband
when he dies, even so, through the death of the body of Christ, men were “discharged” from the obligations of the Mosaic law.

That the law here contemplated is the law of Moses, including the ten commandments, is demonstrated by the reference
to the tenth commandment in Romans 7:7 (cf. Ex. 20:17).

The harmony between Matthew 5:17-18, and Ephesians 2:15, is this:
The purpose of the law of Moses was never to come to naught; its original design would be perpetual.

On the other hand, as a legal code, it would be abolished, being cancelled by the Savior’s sacrificial death (cf. Col. 2:14ff.).

And so, a consideration of all the facts leads only to the conclusion that Matthew 5:17 does not afford
any support to those who maintain that the observance of the sabbath day is a divinely-required obligation for this age.

 

[bgsda]

I wrote alot more yesterday for some reason it didnt come out. I', breaking down the verses found in Rev.14:6-12. I did number one already. Heres 2. Forgot to add that these messengers(us) have to be a world wide movement. Not a little church in the country somewhere. Has to go ot to the WORLD.

2.7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God- This means we should revere God and look upon Him with love, trust, and respect--eager to do His bidding. This keeps us from evil"By the fear of the Lord one departs from evil"(Proverbs16:6). Solomon, the wise man, also said"Fear God and KEEP his Commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. Eccl.12:13

3.and give glory to him- We fulfill this command when we obey, praise, and thank God for His goodnes to us. One of the major sins of the last days is unthankfulness (2tim.3:1,2)

4.for the hour of his judgment is come- This indicates that everyone is accountable to God, and it is a clear statement that the judgement is NOW in session. A number of translations say "has" come instead of "is"come. You guys dont even want to believe on His Commandments. I would guess on what you believe on that He is judging us right NOW. Many texts to support this.

5.and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. This leads to a worship of our Creator. The command rejects idolatry of all kind-- including self-worship--and totally repudiates evolution, which denies that God is Creator and Redeemer. (Many talk books and radio tal shows overstress self-esteem, which leads to self-worship. A Christian's self-esteem is in Christ, who makes His children sons and daughters of the King in Heaven). The Gospel includes the creation and redemption of the world by the Lord God of heaven. Worshipping the Creator includes worshipping Him on the day He set aside as a memorial of creation(the seventh-day Sabbath). That the reference in Rev.14:7 is to the Sabbath is made clearby the fact that the words"madethe heavens and the earth,the sea" were lifted out of the Sabbath Commandment(ex.20:11) and used here. Our roots are found in God alone, who made us in His image in the beggining. Those who do not worship God as Creator--no matter what else they may worship-- may never discover their real roots.

Truth what you wrote makes no sense at all. So your telling me you can have other gods, make idols, use His name in vain, disrespect His Sabbath day, dishonor or hate your mom and dad, kill, steal, cheat on your spouse, covet and lie. Truth are you allowed to do that today because the commandments are so called abolished. I dont understand you guys and why you guys are fighting this. Both of you know you cannot do those things because your sinning. Jesus came to MAGNIFY the law Isa.42:21 It pleased the LORD for the sake of his righteousness to make his law great and glorious.

The article you put up David is not correct. Even my daughters can understand what Jesus said. Very simple. Dont know how that guy got it twisted. Heaven and earth did not pass yet. we are still here. Well God blesss you guys and STOP fighting the HOLY SPIRIT. You guys are running to too many people with man made traditions. Run to Christ

Satans counterfeits, while many, include 2 very effective ones:
1. salvation by works
2. salvation is sin.
These 2 counterfeits are uncovered and revealed in the 3 angels message. Many, without realizing it, have embraced one of these 2 errors and are trying to build their salvation on it--an utterly impossible feat. We also must stress that no one is truly preaching the Gospel of Jesus for the end time who does not include the 3 angels messages. Dont be deceived guys. Study to show yourselves approved. God bless. You cannot be saved while your sinning willfully.

 

[truth speaker]

Hi bgsda,I dont understand your concept in twisting words,Jesus said if you would do the first two commandments everything else would fall in place,And if your only grounds of salvation stands on the 4th commandment,then your going to be highly upset on the day of judgement,
When i was baptized in Jesus Christ mighty name,i became a new creaturei put sin away and now i foolow after Jesus,yes i know we all have sin but we strive to be perfect for he was perfect.

I gave you the words of Jesus Christ in return you give me the law,in the end Jesus will be coming on the clouds not the law Jesus said to follow him,he didnt say follow the law. I even showed you where Jesus changed the law and if you can't see that then i pray your blind eyes be open
And again Jesus was the fulfillment of the law that is why he said in Luke ch 16 vs 16 (The law and the prophets WERE UNTIL John:since that time the kingdom of God is preached,and every man presseth into it.) And if you can not see it here you will never see it
Jesus was the fulfilling of the law
John ch 3 vs 5 ( Jesus answered,Verily verily,I say unto thee,Except a man be born of the water and of the Spirit,he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.)
Also if you keep the 4th commandment you have to keep the whole law you can't pick and choose what you will keep and what you will not

And as far as my last post everything was in context to the Scripture,as a matter of fact it was all Scripture

 

[bgsda]

Truth i pray that you and others will listen to Jesus in Rev.18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues, and get OUT of Spiritual Babylon(Confusion). You guys are so confused about many things not just the law. Makes no sense in how you know you shouldn't kill and so forth. But when it comes to the only Commandment that starts with REMEMBER you guys want to forget or say that the Law doesnt exist. If that is not confusion IDK what is. To know in your right mind that you CANNOT do the other 9 but when it comes to the 4th its done away with. Confusion once again.

I pray that you'll hear His voice and get out cause you WILL get the mark of the BEAST Rev.14:8 A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.". Just telling you out of love cause NOW you and others are held accountable.

One way out Rv.14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. Please take heed. God bless. If you have any questions i'll reply back. If not i wont. You have enough evidence in the replies I wrote. Study it for your SALVATION in Christ so youll stop sinning WILLINGLY

 

[bgsda]

In the verse above I in the 1st paragraph at the end I meant to say that you know in your right mind that you CANNOT sin and do the other 9 (kill,steal,lie, have idols,etc.) but when it comes to the 4th SABBATH everything is done away, SO SAD.

 

[truth speaker]

Hi bgsda,just wondering have you ever read the new testament,i have read it numerous times and i have never read were Jesus are his apostles preach about the Sabbath,Jesus would have spoken on the topic of it if it were that important,we have given you scripture on the matter of the law and the old commandments and have even shown you in Scripture. were Jesus himself have changed the commandments ,the commandments were changed,old commandments were under the old law,new commandments under GRACE by faith,old law there was no forgiveness,Under grace by Jesus Christ we are forgiven:
There is no other way to the father except thru the son
The difference between you and i is i gave your Sabbath some thought,i researched it,and found it to be under the old covenant,also found Jesus to change the commandments and then found that the old law stopped at John,also gave you scripture of what God revealed to me
You on the other hand have argued a point not back by Jesus Christ,also if you still believe in the old law you are lost because all we need is Jesus and his teachings,the teachings of him and his apostles,not the teachings of Moses

And futher more when you are baptized in Jesus name you become a new creature,the old man (sin) is put away,in other word you do not sin willingly! And if you do it is because you do not know who Jesus Christ is,once you know him and his truth and, follow him you do not sin lest the adversary tries to trip you up,

 

[Christ4Ever]

I pray that you'll hear His voice and get out cause you WILL get the mark of the BEAST Rev.14:8.......

Just a question within what you've been communicating. Which kind of means that it's slightly off topic to your discussions you've been having with others.

How do you perceive the mark of the beast which is quoted in Rev 14:10 as being on the forehead or hand as being something that is physical or something else entirely?
YBIC
C4E

 

[truth speaker]

Another thing bgsda did you know that spiritual Babylon is all these worldly religions that preach everything else except Jesus Christ
The Baptism in Jesus Christ mighty name
The Baptism of the Holy Ghost

 

[David777]

People who promote legalism always quote from Matthew and James.

It escapes their notice that Jesus was talking to the Jews under the
law. So what will be the topic of discussion, the law.

When one reads the letters Paul wrote to the Gentile churches
the law is absent. Funny that!

Legalism is not just a mistake, it is the greatest heresy that
has plagued the church since the apostles.

A Gentile never was under the law.

We are Gentiles and follow the decision of the apostles
at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15). Avoid sexual
immorality at all cost. Our Holy Spirit sanctifies us.

Our Gospel grants full forgiveness, full atonement.

Grace is a gift to us from God, we boast in Jesus
and nothing else.

Hey bgsda explain one of the grand doctrines of
the SDA, investigative judgement.

Your audience waits attentively.

 

[bgsda]

Hello C4E. Well the mark of the beast is explained further in Rev.13. If you was to read that you'll be able to see that all the devil wants is worship. Look how many times its mentioned. If you was to go online to any website about the Catholic church and them changing the True Sabbath(Saturday) to Sunday you would see that they(the popes) say that thier Mark of Authority is that they did in fact changed Gods Law and they boast about it. This was prophecied in( Dan.7:25)" And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to changetimes and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times

We are supposed to be Protestant, IDK if you ever studied the Reformation, but in the past Christians protested against the Papacy because of their oppression and false doctrines. The Catholic church nowadays laugh at how many people still call themselves Protestants but" are like their child because they go on Sunday, a day that the Popes changed because the Pope is supposed to be God on earth.

So if many will hold on to going on Sunday, because of everyone else is going on Sunday(tradition), with no biblical support at all and are following the Papacy(Catholic Churches) mark of authority yes that is the Mark of the Beast. Yes there are alot of far out non-biblical counts of the Mark of the Beast. Some believe its a literal mark like tattos or a chip. If we were to look at it biblicaly in Duet.6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down , and when thou risest up . 8 And thou shalt bind them for a SIGN upon thine HAND, and they shall be as FRONTLETS between thine EYES. Its just simply to obey God and His Commandments

Remember the great "I AM" is God the Father, God the Son, God the holy Spirit. So it was Jesus who wrote the Ten Commandments not once but twice. So this is important as characteristics of Gods end time church or people. They will be doing what 3 angels in Rev.14 is telling us to do. Worship our Creator warn about the judgement that is in session and warn others about the MArk of the beast. God Bless

 

[bgsda]

David so when do you want me to break into your house and rob you? Or when is a good time to kill you? Better yet if you are married then its ok to sleep with your wife, right its done away with we can do those things. You have to understand that the Law is written for our good. He loves us so much that He gave us those for our own good. Let me go back to worship to this image I have here at my home because we are FREEEEEE.

 

[truth speaker]

If we stand on the second commandment that Jesus gave in Mark 12 vs 31 (And the second is like,namely this,Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.There is none other commandment greater than these.)
Bgsda if we keep this commandment we will not kill,steal,or want to sleep with someone's wife,If we love our neighbors as ourselves we will not do anything to harm them or bring pain into their lives
,
Besides this commandment alone sums up all evil doing to your neighbor,wheather it be killing,stealing,coveting,etc.....
This is why the ten commandments have been done away with
All you have to do is the first two commandments Jesus gave in Mark ch 12vs 29-31 and everything else will follow in a Godly manner

 

[truth speaker]

Bgsda what you are teaching is false doctrine,the mark allows one to buy and sell after the Antichrist has risen

Revelations ch 13 vs 16 (And he causeth all,both small and great,rich and poor,free and bond,to receive a mark in their right hand,or in their foreheads 17 (And no man might buy or sell,save he that had the mark,or the name of the beast,or the number of his name.)

Last time i checked i was able to buy and sell any day of the week,
Yhere has to be a mark that can be seen or else how would they know who has it and who does not
And if you do not have Bible Scripture back your posts please quit posting

My God who is teaching you this

 

[David777]

David so when do you want me to break into your house and rob you? Or when is a good time to kill you? Better yet if you are married then its ok to sleep with your wife, right its done away with we can do those things. You have to understand that the Law is written for our good. He loves us so much that He gave us those for our own good. Let me go back to worship to this image I have here at my home because we are FREEEEEE.

You are under civil law bgsda, that is why you cannot do
what you wish you could do.

You may have noticed that telling someone not to do
something wrong does not seem to work very well.

That is the problem with the law, it is a superficial as it
does not cure the fundamental problem which is the
sinful nature.

God has given us the Holy Spirit, placed into a new
creation. Our Holy Spirit guides us in all important
matters, and keeps our attention on Jesus Christ.

If you had the Holy Spirit then you would have been
talking about Jesus Christ. Not diverting attention
away from Jesus and towards the Mosaic law.

The law was given to Israel that is what is stated
in the scriptures.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Hello C4E. Well the mark of the beast is explained further in Rev.13. If you was to read that you'll be able to see that all the devil wants is worship. Look how many times its mentioned.

Yes there are alot of far out non-biblical counts of the Mark of the Beast. Some believe its a literal mark like tattos or a chip. If we were to look at it biblicaly in Duet.6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down , and when thou risest up . 8 And thou shalt bind them for a SIGN upon thine HAND, and they shall be as FRONTLETS between thine EYES. Its just simply to obey God and His Commandments

Revelations ch 13 vs 16 (And he causeth all,both small and great,rich and poor,free and bond,to receive a mark in their right hand,or in their foreheads 17 (And no man might buy or sell,save he that had the mark,or the name of the beast,or the number of his name.)

This is for both of you Brothers in Christ Jesus,

I've deleted the unnecessary verbiage to get to the meat. I can agree that Catholicism has corrupted the Word of God, so much so, that Salvation is something to be worked for and achieved only by one who is Catholic. It would require more time and posting to delve into the subject of Catholicism & the Reformation.

The following is not something I've not previously used or thought of, but provide now for both of your considerations.

Now to tie in the Mark of the Beast to them (Catholicism) as an act of deceit or deception on their parts on a spiritual level only bgsda, and not associated in some fashion to as Truth speaker mentioned in his post of Revelation 13:16-18, that implies rather strongly that a mark that is associated also with commodities, which is the buying and selling of goods would be only using a preference to support a particular position which might not be what is intended to be revealed to us by the Holy Spirit for understanding. Is it possible that the position you bgsda are suggesting, and the one by Truth Speaker, might both be valid if taken jointly? That the spiritual death achieved by rejection of God by the acceptance of the Mark of the Beast, whereby the physical act seals the non-believer just as the Holy Spirit has sealed the believer, insuring the spiritual alienation from God for eternity a possibility to be considered? Keeping in mind that all that Satan does is counterfeit to God's plan of Salvation as the foundation for this possibility.

Your thoughts brothers?

YBIC
C4E

 

[brakelite]

Because we are in the middle of calving season I haven't had the time to contribute to this thread, as much as I would have liked to. I have however read a few of the posts and would like to clarify something which I am sure bgsda (as another adventist such as I) would agree with. I am stating this just in case some readers may be confused, or led to believe different. The subject of the thread is 'the true church'. As an Adventist I want to state unequivocally that although I am convinced totally that my church follows the scriptures about as close as one can get, (otherwise I wouldn't be one) the SDA denomination does not have an exclusive hold on 'truth'.
There are, and EG White wrote the same, many many Christians in all denominations, all following their Saviour and living according to what light has been given them. Truth is progressive. Some are unable to handle some truths, others can. The apostles even were unable to take in everything the Lord would have liked to have given them, they had to wait until such time as they were in a state to manage the responsibility and burden. Yes, I said burden (albeit an awesome one), because with truth comes resposibility, for to him to whom much is given, much is required.

I would dearly love to add more, but do not have the time. Grace and law are favourite subjects of mine...they are not exclusive, but are in perfect harmony with one another. And the mark of the beast? I have written much on the subject of the beast already (thread "Were they right") and very few accepted that clear evidence. If one does not accept the obvious identity of the beast, how can they know his mark? Kia ora koutou.

 

[Jaareshiah]

Like I said earlier I disagree, using the KJV as a reference especially in this case is not wise considering many of the errors within the translation.

If there is a "form of worship" evidenced within the scriptures, it is simply in spirit and in truth as Jesus said. We are to be led by HolySpirit not liturgy or tradition.

21 Dear friends, if we don’t feel guilty, we can come to God with bold confidence.22 And we will receive from him whatever we ask because we obey him and do the things that please him.
23 And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us.24 Those who obey God’s commandments remain in fellowship with him, and he with them. And we know he lives in us because the Spirit he gave us lives in us.
1 John 3:21-24 (NLT)

Obviously we disagree on many things concerning the meanings and interpretation of scriptures but setting that aside, I believe what Paul said is vital to our discussion.

1 Whatever happens, my dear brothers and sisters, rejoice in the Lord. I never get tired of telling you these things, and I do it to safeguard your faith.
2 Watch out for those dogs, those people who do evil, those mutilators who say you must be circumcised to be saved.3 For we who worship by the Spirit of God are the ones who are truly circumcised. We rely on what Christ Jesus has done for us. We put no confidence in human effort,4 though I could have confidence in my own effort if anyone could. Indeed, if others have reason for confidence in their own efforts, I have even more!
5 I was circumcised when I was eight days old. I am a pure-blooded citizen of Israel and a member of the tribe of Benjamin—a real Hebrew if there ever was one! I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law.6 I was so zealous that I harshly persecuted the church. And as for righteousness, I obeyed the law without fault.
7 I once thought these things were valuable, but now I consider them worthless because of what Christ has done.8 Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ9 and become one with him. I no longer count on my own righteousness through obeying the law; rather, I become righteous through faith in Christ. For God’s way of making us right with himself depends on faith.10 I want to know Christ and experience the mighty power that raised him from the dead. I want to suffer with him, sharing in his death,11 so that one way or another I will experience the resurrection from the dead!
Phil 3:1-11 (NLT)

Many will argue for the word "worship", saying that the Scriptures say that Jesus should be "worshipped", as at Hebrews 1:6, though the Greek word pro·sky·ne´o also means "to prostrate one's self, to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence...hence in the N.T.(New Testament) by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication."(Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, pg 548)

Jesus used the word "worship" in speaking with the Samaritan woman at the well near Sychar. In this case, it applied strictly to God, and in which Jesus included himself in worshipping him, saying: "You worship (Greek proskyneite) what you do not know; we worship (Greek proskynoumen) what we know, because salvation originates with the Jews. Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers (Greek proskynetai) will worship (Greek proskynesousin) the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship (Greek proskynountas) him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping (Greek proskynountas) him must worship (Greek proskynein) with spirit and truth.”(John 4:22-24)

Thus, all worship belongs to the Father, Jehovah God, for Jesus told Satan: "Go away, Satan! For it is written (at Deut 5:9 and 10:20), ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” (Matt 4:10)

The one true religion or "one faith" (Eph 4:5) that Jesus established thus worships the Father, Jehovah God, as Jesus taught and did. He set the pattern for his disciples to follow in worshipping the "one true God", Jehovah, saying in prayer to his Father: "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."(John 17:3)

Hence, those who follow in Jesus "footsteps" (1 Pet 2:21), will also worship the Father, Jehovah. These will make an earnest effort to ' take in knowledge of the only true God ', Jehovah (and his Son), and not keep him nameless, as basically the churches have done with titles such "Lord" or "God".

These will follow the "form of worship" (or religion) that Jesus established, whereby "the true worshipers will worship the Father (Jehovah) with spirit and truth."(John 4:23)