Who I believe God’s elect are

[John Zain]

Romans 8:
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God,
to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son,
that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called;
whom He called, these He also justified;
and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe that God is omni-everything.
He knows everything (past, present, future), He sees the end from the beginning, etc.

It is my belief that God predestines, elects, calls, justifies, and glorifies ONLY the elect ...
ONLY those people whose hearts are willing to be sanctified (set apart and made holy) by God.

Scripture describes man as being totally sinful, rebellious, at enmity with God, etc.
but evidently some do not quite fit this mold.
Maybe God actually predestines them to be molded (i.e. created) this way.

Romans 9:11, 9:16, etc. says election is nothing about what people will DO after they are born.

The elect …
8:28 … love God
8:28 ... are the called according to God's purpose
8:29 … are foreknown
8:29 … are predestined to be conformed (i.e. sanctified) to the likeness of the sinless/holy Jesus
8:30 … are predestined, called, justified, glorified

This rare and unusual heart attitude of being willing to be sanctified agrees with …

Matthew 7:14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to (eternal) life,
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[David777]

Hello John.

Sure is a nice day over here.

I need some more information from you regarding:

Supralapsarianism is the position that the fall occurred (among other reasons)
to facilitate God's purpose of election and reprobation of individuals.

While infralapsarianism holds that, while the fall was planned,
it was not planned in reference to who would be saved.

Which position do you hold, this would sure help me to understand what you are saying.

 

[gdemoss]

Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe that God is omni-everything.
He knows everything (past, present, future), He sees the end from the beginning, etc.

John, do you believe that some Muslims are part of Gods elect?

 

[John Zain]

I need some more information from you regarding:
Supralapsarianism is the position that the fall occurred (among other reasons)
to facilitate God's purpose of election and reprobation of individuals.
While infralapsarianism holds that, while the fall was planned,
it was not planned in reference to who would be saved.
Which position do you hold, this would sure help me to understand what you are saying.

David777 Down Under,

Sorry, but I believe that I don't believe ... in either of those unpronouncable doctrinal tenents.
Did I just write that?

Like, I don't believe that God plans evil or bad events.
He knows (sees that) they will happen, and He has the perfect contingency plan for each of them.

When He created everything, He said it was good and perfect.
He certainly didn't want all of these terrible ramifications of The Fall.
That's just as I see it.

Zainy John Up Over.

 

[John Zain]

To foreknow ... According to the Word Study Dictionary (Zodhiates)

G4267 proginṓskō; fut. prognṓsomai, 2d aor. proégnōn, from pró (G4253), before, and ginṓskō (G1097), to know.
To perceive or recognize beforehand, know previously, take into account or specially consider beforehand,
to grant prior acknowledgement or recognition to someone, to foreknow.

(II) Used of God's eternal counsel, it includes all that He has considered and purposed to do prior
to human history. In the language of Scripture, something foreknown is not simply that which God
was aware of prior to a certain point. Rather, it is presented as that which God gave prior consent to,
that which received His favorable or special recognition. Hence, this term is reserved for those matters
which God favorably, deliberately and freely chose and ordained."

So, I wonder if this Greek guy Zodhiates knows of what he speaketh?

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Supralapsarianism

Supralapsarianism Who thinks up these words!?