When are you filled with the Holy Spirit?

[B-A-C]

There are some churches that preach that there are two different ways the Holy Spirit can be in you. Most believe that you receive the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.

It appears we can ask for the spirit.
Luke 11:13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

The Holy Spirit can give us guidance in what to say sometimes.
Luke 12:11 "When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say;
:12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

Jesus says unless we have the Holy Spirit in us we cannot enter into Heaven.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3:34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure.

John 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
:24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

Joh 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So - OK, when do we receive the Holy Spirit?
John 7:38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'"
:39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

The Holy Spirit could not come (to all believers) while Jesus was still on the Earth.
John 16:7 "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
:17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
:18 "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
:19 "After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also.
:20 "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.

The previous two verses above seem to indicate we receive the Spirit simply by being a believer.

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 15:26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,

John 16:13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
:14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

Notice in the two passages above, the Spirit doesn't exalt himself, but he exalts Jesus.

John 20:22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and *said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

In Acts we see the first great outpouring of the Holy Spirit
Act 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Keep in mind, we saw above that the first believers didn't automatically receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit wasn't yet given (John 7:39)

Again Peter says all we have to do is believe in Jesus and we will receive the Holy Spirit

Act 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act 5:32 "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."

Some people can "resist" the Holy Spirit.
Act 7:51 "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

Act 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
:45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.

Rom 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

Sure there are "fake" people who go through the motions and pretend to be believers, but my question is, can you really be a believer and not have the Spirit within you?

1 Cor 6:17 But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

 

[lioncub]

Rom 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

Sure there are "fake" people who go through the motions and pretend to be believers, but my question is, can you really be a believer and not have the Spirit within you?

Yes you can believe and yet not have the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8, the Samaritans believed and yet did not receive the Holy Spirit until Peter and John came down.

And Paul's question to the disciples in Acts 19:2 "Have you received the Holy Ghost, since you believed ?"

 

[jari]

There are some churches that preach that there are two different ways the Holy Spirit can be in you. Most believe that you receive the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.

It appears we can ask for the spirit.
Luke 11:13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

If your genuiely saved then of course you have received the HS (Ephesians 1:13). But like it happened to the disciples they first received holy spirit in John 20:22 and where later filled with HS and started speaking in new tongues in Act 2:4 And we can continually keep getting filled with HS. Ephesians 5:18

 

[brakelite]

We can be 'filled' with the Holy Spirit from the day we are saved, but need more as we grow in Christ. The Holy Spirit only 'fills' that portion given over to Him. As we surrender certain areas of our lives to God, He becomes Lord of that parcel of ground and establishes His kingdom there.

The spiritual life is a warfare against our greatest enemy, the man in the mirror. The old man must surrender, and be put to death in Jesus, that the new man, created and led by the Holy Spirit, mat walk in newness of life.

So we can be filled with the Holy Spirit, yet not be fully surrendered, The truly Spirit led man or woman of God is the one whose whole life is filled, not just those areas which are convenient or easy. The fully surrendered Christian is the one with the greatest power and the one whose impact and effectiveness for God is greatest.

 

[lioncub]

In answer to the Original Poster's question of "when are you filled with the Holy Spirit ?" is when you are born again, born of the Spirit, born of God, when you start speaking in tongues !

 

[ushalk]

if you read through the book of acts, some were filled at the point of repentance and acceptance of christ, while others did not recieve it until they were water baptised. there is nothing else written in scripture about when one recieves the holy spirit. however you will definately know when you have recieved the holy spirit.

the biggest false teaching in the churches today is that we will just be filled. you will know and you will feel the presence of the holy spirit with in you. if you are unsure then you have definately not recieved the holy spirit.

 

[lioncub]

In Acts 8, the Samaritans had believed, been baptised in water but had not yet received the Holy Spirit.

How did anyone possibly know that they had not yet received ?

 

[RJ]

In answer to the Original Poster's question of "when are you filled with the Holy Spirit ?" is when you are born again, born of the Spirit, born of God, when you start speaking in tongues !

I agree!
Jesus said : "that you must be born again".

Though tongues is a Spiritual Gift and a beautiful thing, I don't believe that " speaking in tongues" is a prerequisite to your salvation....if it did , it would be works.

God said that you are saved through your faith in grace and not of your own works!

 

[ushalk]

In Acts 8, the Samaritans had believed, been baptised in water but had not yet received the Holy Spirit.

How did anyone possibly know that they had not yet received ?

the apostles knew, because they asked them.

 

[ushalk]

I agree!
Jesus said : "that you must be born again".

Though tongues is a Spiritual Gift and a beautiful thing, I don't believe that " speaking in tongues" is a prerequisite to your salvation....if it did , it would be works.

God said that you are saved through your faith in grace and not of your own works!

how is it workd when it is a gift of the holy spirit, not what many people see in todays world or they are taught. now days people say just let some jibburish come out of your mouth and you have recieved the holy spirit. that is some of the foniest garbage in the world today. we can not be taught spiritual gifts apart from the holy spirit. even at that the teaching never comes from man.

 

[jari]

Bro lioncub says tongues is sign of being born again as is I should say being filled with the Holy Spirit. But bible says not everyone speaks in tongues :


1Co 12:27-31 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. (28) And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (29) Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? (30) Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? (31) But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

So Tongues is a sign but I dont think it means your not born again if you dont speak in tongues. Because Jesus gave apostoles the Holy spirit after resurrection before they were filled also and had tongues in Acts.

 

[lioncub]

the apostles knew, because they asked them.

No. Because they hadn't spoken in tongues !

 

[RJ]

There are some churches that preach that there are two different ways the Holy Spirit can be in you. Most believe that you receive the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.

It appears we can ask for the spirit.
Luke 11:13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

The Holy Spirit can give us guidance in what to say sometimes.
Luke 12:11 "When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say;
:12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

Jesus says unless we have the Holy Spirit in us we cannot enter into Heaven.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3:34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure.

John 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
:24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

Joh 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So - OK, when do we receive the Holy Spirit?
John 7:38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'"
:39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

The Holy Spirit could not come (to all believers) while Jesus was still on the Earth.
John 16:7 "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
:17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
:18 "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
:19 "After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also.
:20 "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.

The previous two verses above seem to indicate we receive the Spirit simply by being a believer.

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 15:26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,

John 16:13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
:14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

Notice in the two passages above, the Spirit doesn't exalt himself, but he exalts Jesus.

John 20:22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and *said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

In Acts we see the first great outpouring of the Holy Spirit
Act 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Keep in mind, we saw above that the first believers didn't automatically receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit wasn't yet given (John 7:39)

Again Peter says all we have to do is believe in Jesus and we will receive the Holy Spirit

Act 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act 5:32 "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."

Some people can "resist" the Holy Spirit.
Act 7:51 "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

Act 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
:45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.

Rom 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

Sure there are "fake" people who go through the motions and pretend to be believers, but my question is, can you really be a believer and not have the Spirit within you?

1 Cor 6:17 But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

Sure there are "fake" people who go through the motions and pretend to be believers, but my question is, can you really be a believer and not have the Spirit within you?


The way I look at this is by my own experience. As a unsaved believer, I knew of Jesus and I knew of God. After being born again, I know Jesus and I know God.


TIf you are not a true believer, the answer is an emphatic no! Here's why:

• That is the definition of a true believer..God in you!
• Jesus said ..You must be born again...that is, the Spirit in you!
• God said that he abolished the Old Covenant for the New Covenant and the New Covenant is about God in you.
• If this were not true, then there was no resurrection, Jesus die on the cross fro nothing and we are siritually dead!

 

[RJ]

how is it workd when it is a gift of the holy spirit, not what many people see in todays world or they are taught. now days people say just let some jibburish come out of your mouth and you have recieved the holy spirit. that is some of the foniest garbage in the world today. we can not be taught spiritual gifts apart from the holy spirit. even at that the teaching never comes from man.

Billy Graham probably is responsible for bringing more people to God than any man in history. He believed in tongues but, as far as I know, he did not speak in tongues.