Baptist Doctrine??!!!!!!!

[ushalk]

How can we take one verse out of the bible and make a whole doctrin with it. This is exactly what the baptist denomination has done. They have taken 1 Corinthians 3:8 to claim that there are no more spiritual gifts.Yet as we read on in the book we see that Paul goes on state that we should pray and seek after spiritual gifts. This teaching from the baptist is like most of the other teaching of the baptist. They are false and give honor and power tao man not Christ.

 

[ForumAddict]

This makes absolutely no sense!

 

[ushalk]

This makes absolutely no sense!

your right. but the baptist doctrine on spiritual gifts has been summed up on this one verse. therefore, from this one verse they have derived that there are no longer gifts of the spirit of god on earth. there is no more power from god in the saints today.

 

[Brother Mike]

No gifts you say??

Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

Not sure why the Baptist would use this scripture??

However, The Baptist are one of the few Major denominations that have not voted for Gay Pastors or Clergy.

The Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and the list continues to grow, not counting the "Other" immoral congregations out there.

That is "MILLIONS" of people called Christians who follow in droves a corrupt apostasy, and turning from the truth... (I know, could have been worded better)

Instead of badgering and bickering about "Gifts of the Spirit" we have millions going the wrong way, and that should be a REAL concern..

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[ushalk]

Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

Not sure why the Baptist would use this scripture??

However, The Baptist are one of the few Major denominations that have not voted for Gay Pastors or Clergy.

The Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and the list continues to grow, not counting the "Other" immoral congregations out there.

That is "MILLIONS" of people called Christians who follow in droves a corrupt apostasy, and turning from the truth... (I know, could have been worded better)

Instead of badgering and bickering about "Gifts of the Spirit" we have millions going the wrong way, and that should be a REAL concern..

Jesus Is Lord.

that scripture is actually supposed to be 1 cor. 13:8. can you send me evidence on the methodist voting in gay pastors?

 

[ForumAddict]

I don't know where you are getting your info, but I am a Baptist and I have never heard of this. Something is being majorly misunderstood.

 

[ushalk]

I don't know where you are getting your info, but I am a Baptist and I have never heard of this. Something is being majorly misunderstood.

got it straight from pastors of the baptist church and also teachers at liberty university which is a baptist college. perhaps you should ask your pastor or pastors what the baptist doctrine is on these matters. i am sure you will receive the same answer that i got.

 

[Brother Mike]

I see.........

Ok... wrong scripture... I chopped mine also....

1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.







The Methodist have not traditionally allowed gay ministers.....That has not stopped them from having them, and not stopped them from even voting to bless same sex marriages... and is not going to stop them in the future for a world wide acceptance of gay clergy....

If you walk the same path others have walked, you will End up at the same destination.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[ForumAddict]

I'm sorry but this is not a Baptist doctrine, and who ever told you this has no idea what they are talking about. I have heard many, many sermons on gifts and how we should use them.

Someone has their wires crossed majorly!

Our instruction manual here says knowledge of spiritual gifts is a requirement to BUILD this BODY. Each of us must understand what part we play in the functioning of this body if it is to be healthy and strong and productive. So I think it is vital for us to look at the sense---the basic truth statements---that Paul has placed in this letter.



Let's begin with a definition of terms.



We must first understand that there is a difference between the "GIFT" of the Holy Spirit and the "GIFTS" of the Holy Spirit. The GIFT ---singular--- is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit whereby He comes to take up residence in the believer's heart the moment that person accepts Christ as Savior. Once you become a Christian, you never need MORE of the Holy Spirit. Now, all Christians struggle to give Christ control over more areas of their lives...to truly make Him LORD of all our thoughts, deeds, and actions..But it would be nonsense to say that any Christian needs a "2nd blessing" sometimes called "receiving the Holy Spirit" because all Christians already have the GIFT of the Holy Spirit. In Acts 2:38 Peter addresses people who want to become Christians and he says, "Repent and be baptized every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." So, THE GIFT of the Holy Spirit's indwelling an individual is something all Christians have the moment they repent of their sin and commit themselves to Christ.



But the GIFTS ---plural--- of the Holy Spirit are something else. The "GIFTS" of the Holy Spirit are special abilities imparted to all Christians by the Holy Spirit for service in the church.


Doesn't sound to me like we are doing whatever it is you are accusing us of.

 

[JRFifty]

Gifts and fruits

The Gifts and the Fruits of the Spirit are different ideas. The Gifts are Tongues, Interpretation, Prophecy for instance. Book of Acts.
I just read faith baptist church in New York Doctrinal statement yesterday.
We believe the gift of tongues and the working of sign miracles gradually ceased as the New Testament Scriptures were completed and their authority became established (Acts 2:1-8; I Corinthians 12:4-11; II Corinthians 12:12; Ephesians 4:7-12; II Timothy 3:16-17; James 1:22-25).
So this particular Baptist church does not believe that we are bestowed with the gifts of the spirit. they believe we receive the fruits.
That is there interpretation.
When the apostles spoke in tongue they spake in known tongues not jibberish.
I'm not saying I know the answer one way or the other, but I think this is the core of the argument. i would like to learn more about it.

 

[David777]

Hello.

Me thinks there may be different Baptist denominations ugh.

 

[ForumAddict]

Baptist doctrine as it should be does not hold to this, but in today's realm, as is relevant in any other denomination, it too has been picked at and torn a part, till it has no true meaning, but the meaning desired by a few who can not accept it as it is.

We can not group all Baptist together, as well as any other particular faith. We as humans are never satisfied with anything, so here in lies the reason for so many branches of certain beliefs.

 

[rojoloco]

How can we take one verse out of the bible and make a whole doctrin with it. This is exactly what the baptist denomination has done. They have taken 1 Corinthians 3:8 to claim that there are no more spiritual gifts.Yet as we read on in the book we see that Paul goes on state that we should pray and seek after spiritual gifts. This teaching from the baptist is like most of the other teaching of the baptist. They are false and give honor and power tao man not Christ.

First of all, there is no Baptist doctrine on this subject. One can be either a cessationist or a continuationist and still be a Baptist. However, one can very assuredly say the historical stance is that the sign gifts have ceased. Regardless, your emphasis on seeking the gifts is the same thing that Paul rebuked the Corinthians over.

 

[Brother Mike]

WoW

A real live breathing "genuine" Calvinist...

Blessings rojoloco!!!! Not seen you post in awhile....

Anyways, God bless you and your family, and Jesus Is Lord..


Mike.

 

[ushalk]

First of all, there is no Baptist doctrine on this subject. One can be either a cessationist or a continuationist and still be a Baptist. However, one can very assuredly say the historical stance is that the sign gifts have ceased. Regardless, your emphasis on seeking the gifts is the same thing that Paul rebuked the Corinthians over.

first of all this is a doctrine from the baptist. i have talked with many pastors and teachers of the baptist churches and this is infact one of their teachings. i did my home workd on this and do not appreciate being told i am liing. i will even tell you a good place to start researching this. that is Thomas road baptist church and liberty university in lynchburg VA.

 

[RJ]

Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

Not sure why the Baptist would use this scripture??

However, The Baptist are one of the few Major denominations that have not voted for Gay Pastors or Clergy.

The Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and the list continues to grow, not counting the "Other" immoral congregations out there.

That is "MILLIONS" of people called Christians who follow in droves a corrupt apostasy, and turning from the truth... (I know, could have been worded better)

Instead of badgering and bickering about "Gifts of the Spirit" we have millions going the wrong way, and that should be a REAL concern..

Jesus Is Lord.

The Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and the list continues to grow, not counting the "Other" immoral congregations out there.

I agree this is a sad time for the church Universal. I was deeply concerned when the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church recently changed their stance on homosexuality and even changed the wording in their Book Of Order and remove that the definition of a marriage is a union between a man and a woman; how secularism continues to creep into our midst.

I don't agree with the immoral congregation statement though, that's for God to decide; every church is full of sinners for all sorts of reasons. As it stands now our Presbyterian Church has the right to not allow gay marriages or Pastors but this is probably a matter of time before something changes that too, like a law suit!
When it does or if it does that , I am gone and probably will go to a non-denominational church. For right now , mine still preaches the Bible and Jesus Christ.

 

[Brother Mike]

Thank you RJ

Thank you RJ...

I don't agree with the immoral congregation statement though, that's for God to decide

While this may seem a harsh statement, and it is.... I think any assosiation with any denomination that has to feel they even have a need to pass a gay vote, or anything else that we know and fully understand to be wrong.... needs to be forsaken...

Sitting in a congregation where they teach there is no more healing, and the gifts are long gone... is lots different than saying it's Good in God's eyes to be homosexual... like apples and Oranges.. Living your life crucified before the Lord, and being an example and light is the important thing... When that gets violated, then time to go..

By supporting in presence, money and any connection would be in agreement where that denomination is Going, even it you meant to do so or not...

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[RJ]

Thank you RJ...


While this may seem a harsh statement, and it is.... I think any assosiation with any denomination that has to feel they even have a need to pass a gay vote, or anything else that we know and fully understand to be wrong.... needs to be forsaken...

Sitting in a congregation where they teach there is no more healing, and the gifts are long gone... is lots different than saying it's Good in God's eyes to be homosexual... like apples and Oranges.. Living your life crucified before the Lord, and being an example and light is the important thing... When that gets violated, then time to go..

By supporting in presence, money and any connection would be in agreement where that denomination is Going, even it you meant to do so or not...

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Jesus Is Lord.

Sitting in a congregation where they teach there is no more healing, and the gifts are long gone..
I see your point and can appreciate it but you have no knowledge how my congregation is reacting to this problem much less have the knowledge to make the above statement.
The Lord and I will deal with it as I feel instructed to do for the time being. As far as pulling my money out, what happens to my share that goes to worthy causes like local food pantries and soup kitchens, 2 wrongs don't make a right!

Besides, if the truth be known, these food pantries and soup kitchens could very likely be used by homosexuals and other sinners and probably are as far as I know. So, let's say that this is true, do I go ahead and pull my support for that now?

So , according to your statement: Living your life crucified before the Lord, and being an example and light is the important thing... When that gets violated, then time to go.. So with the pantries and kitchens, I should leave for that alone, what is the difference?
Also, are you saying, just based on what I have said, that I am not an example of or giving off the light of Christ.
No offense but I think your view of what is being an example or light is distorted and not biblical. I don't know if you are a Calvinist or not but, if you are, is that a part of Calvinism?

If you haven't looked lately, we live under the Covenant of Grace and Love....I think I will take God's advice on this matter!

 

[Brother Mike]

Thank you again RJ

Thank you RJ......

I believe in the power of God, speaking in tongues, and his will to heal.. so definitely not a Calvinist...

I am sorry that you are part of one of those denominations that I mentioned.. times are changing....

I have no issue with feeding gays, or anyone else.. they are people, and I do not like to see suffering or hunger... and have nothing against anyone living in sin, but that My hope is that they change, and find what we have found...

I myself have supported a Catholic food pantry (Directly) in Branson MO... called C.A.M.S.. Christian Action Ministry... They also work with Methodist.. I do not agree most of their doctrine, but that is not to say their food pantry is not run under high standards...

In Rev 3.. Jesus mentioned good things he liked and things that needed changed...

When it comes to handling the Word of God and even taking votes on Gay marriage, and Gay clergy... that is where I draw the line, and no longer with a clear conscience support, or be a part of that ministry..

We each have our own convictions... and I believe you will follow what is right..

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[RJ]

Thank you RJ......

I believe in the power of God, speaking in tongues, and his will to heal.. so definitely not a Calvinist...

I am sorry that you are part of one of those denominations that I mentioned.. times are changing....

I have no issue with feeding gays, or anyone else.. they are people, and I do not like to see suffering or hunger... and have nothing against anyone living in sin, but that My hope is that they change, and find what we have found...

I myself have supported a Catholic food pantry (Directly) in Branson MO... called C.A.M.S.. Christian Action Ministry... They also work with Methodist.. I do not agree most of their doctrine, but that is not to say their food pantry is not run under high standards...

In Rev 3.. Jesus mentioned good things he liked and things that needed changed...

When it comes to handling the Word of God and even taking votes on Gay marriage, and Gay clergy... that is where I draw the line, and no longer with a clear conscience support, or be a part of that ministry..

We each have our own convictions... and I believe you will follow what is right..

Jesus Is Lord.

It is difficult times and yes, since I am presently a member of a Presbyterian Church, I am ultimately a part of "one of those denominations that you mentioned but I am a Christian first and a Presbyterian second, maybe that is even third, LOL!

Between you and I and our discussions on the matter, ironically, I abhor what the Presbyterian Church USA has done. In fact, being married in a church or being a Pastor in a church and a practicing homosexual is a oxy-moron. I can't for the life of me believe that you can be a Christian, the Lord in you and guiding your paths on one hand and, you openly are a non-repentent homosexual on the other and I hate the thought!

I have been more than out-spoken on this issue in my own church and, for the time being, we would not support gay marriages or Pastors but, the die is cast and, I imagine it will only be time before we have to. I will probably leave for sure then if not before but not until then I will continue to struggle with what I hate and God's calling to a higher purpose in love.

I will leave you with this one thought. If this happens in my church, in my time, how do I know that God may not want me to stay and openly object to it or atleast until I am run out?