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sunday is not the sabbath it is the popes sabbath saturday is gods day and i am not a 7th day advantist and to go on sunday is to acept the popes mark and that is what he calls it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you a dumb guy or are you just trolling these forums? I don't go to service on Sunday because of anything the pope has said or anything the vatican has said down through the centuries. You know why I go to service on Sunday? Because its one of the days we have service in my church. :lightbulb You know what we do at our services? We show Jesus in the scriptures and talk about God's grace. I know, I know shocking isn't it that we don't talk about the pope. Seriously man put down the "end times/mark of the beast" crackpipe and get a clue as to what people do at services and who they are there to hear about.
 
and buy the way the Seed of Abraham multiplied as the stars of the heaven,...that seed is still growing...

Howdy Kevin!

Yes, The Seed of Abraham is still growing because the Church Age is not over yet.

Kevin--and will grow untill the fig tree is ripe!!

No. The Seed of Abraham multiplied as the stars of the heaven, which is the Glorious Church of Jesus Christ, see Ephesians 5:27, will continue to grow until Christ returns after the Church Age ends. See Acts 15:16.

God says...AFTER THIS I WILL RETURN!!! Now, God said it. That settles this issue with me. And, I believe it.

Kevin--and then jesus will come back!!!!!!

After the Church Age is ended, Yes.

Kevin--and it will be in the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation .....

The only people called up into Heaven at the midpoint of the Tribulation period are the 2 Witnesses of Revelation 11 and the 144,000 of Revelation 7:1-8.

And, These Jewish People are of the Seed of Isaac multiplied as the stars of the Heaven. I have said it once and I will say it again...

The Seed of Abraham multiplied as the stars of the heaven are not called in Isaac. They are called in Abraham. See Galatians 3:7.

And, The Seed of Abraham multiplied as the stars of the heaven and the Seed of Isaac multiplied as the stars of the heaven of the Church Age are called up into Heaven as shown in Revelation 4:1.

Also, According to my Bible, Revelation 4:1 occurs before Revelation Chapters 11 and 12 do. Matter of fact, Revelation 4:1 occurs before Revelation 6:2 which is the beginning of the 7th Kingdom, The Revised Roman Empire, of Revelation 17:9-11.

God Bless You!

Dr. Mike
 
Badabing Dr. Mike. Ok going through your list, I got a check. Another check and another check. Bingo Dr. Mike got a check on all three and the 4th check at home. Great posts above doc. :handshake:

Howdy The Robster!

Thank you very much. God Bless You!

Dr. Mike
 
Howdy Kevin!

In 400 AD, St. Jerome wrote and completed the Latin Vulgate. And, In the Latin Vulgate in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, You will find the Latin word rapiemur from which we get the English word rapture. I will show you...

Latin Vulgate--1 Thessalonians 4:17

17. deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper Domino erimus

Do you see the highlighted underlined word rapiemur? The English word Rapture comes from this Latin word Highlighted and underlined.

And, The Robster is correct. The Greek Word in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 that is translated caught up is Harpazo which means snatched away by force.

God Bless You!

Dr. Mike

here we go again I thessalonians 4:17 is a description of what is to come!!! and II thessalonians tell you when!!! it will happen /// after after after 3] Let no{{ man}} deceive you by any means:
for that day shall {{{not come}},
except there come a falling away first,
and that {{{man of sin be revealed}}, [9] Even{ him,} whose coming is{ after } the working of {{{Satan}}}
with all power and signs and lying wonders,
 
Are you a dumb guy or are you just trolling these forums? I don't go to service on Sunday because of anything the pope has said or anything the vatican has said down through the centuries. You know why I go to service on Sunday? Because its one of the days we have service in my church. :lightbulb You know what we do at our services? We show Jesus in the scriptures and talk about God's grace. I know, I know shocking isn't it that we don't talk about the pope. Seriously man put down the "end times/mark of the beast" crackpipe and get a clue as to what people do at services and who they are there to hear about.

in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd ed.

it is good to go to church but you are to go! on the lords day saturday not the popes day!! you are dumb!!!! for calling me dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Are you a dumb guy or are you just trolling these forums? I don't go to service on Sunday because of anything the pope has said or anything the vatican has said down through the centuries. You know why I go to service on Sunday? Because its one of the days we have service in my church. :lightbulb You know what we do at our services? We show Jesus in the scriptures and talk about God's grace. I know, I know shocking isn't it that we don't talk about the pope. Seriously man put down the "end times/mark of the beast" crackpipe and get a clue as to what people do at services and who they are there to hear about.


people did not go to church on sunday untill he said to!!!! and have been doing it ever sence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
sunday is not the sabbath it is the popes sabbath saturday is gods day and i am not a 7th day advantist and to go on sunday is to acept the popes mark and that is what he calls it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Howdy Kevin!

I would like to show you something here. Would you please open your Bible to Leviticus Chapter 23? Looking at verse 3, God says...

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Ok, The Seventh Day is the Lord's day. That is, The Father's Day which is Saturday which you have correctly pointed out in your post. Very good.

Now, There are 7 days in the week. The Seventh Day is the Father's Day which is Saturday in the Old Testament. Now, Look at Leviticus 23:35...

Leviticus 23:35 On the First day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Well, The Seventh Day of the week is an holy convocation day and the First Day of the Week is an holy convocation day. The First day of the Week is Sunday. Now, Look at Leviticus 23:36...

Leviticus 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you: and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.

Once again, There is only 7 days in a week. But, God says on the eighth day. In other words, The Eighth Day is the very same day as the First Day.

And, The Eighth Day, which is the first day of the next week, is a solemn assembly day in the Old Testament.

In the New Testament, Jesus Christ resurrected from the grave on Sunday morning. Look at John 20:1...

John 20:1 THE FIRST day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, untol the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Therefore, On Sunday morning, which is the First day of the week, also known as the eighth day in the Old Testament, Jesus Christ rose from the Grave.

According to God, The Eighth day, or First day of the week, is a solemn assembly day. So, In the New Testament, Sunday is the Son's Day. Saturday is the Father's Day in the Old Testament.

Since the First Day of the Week is a solemn assembly day, This is why the Seed of Isaac multiplied as the stars of the heaven began meeting together on the First Day of the Week to honor the day Christ rose from the Grave.

The Seed of Jacob multiplied as the dust of the earth were not very happy when the Seed of Isaac multiplied as the stars of the heaven did not keep the Father's Day which is Saturday. They were very upset.

I attend Church on the Son's Day which is Sunday. I do not care what the Pope thinks about Sunday. When the Pope stands before Jesus Christ on his Judgment day, He will have to give an account for what he thought about the Son's Day. See Matthew 12:36-37.

God Bless You!

Dr. Mike
 
in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd ed.

it is good to go to church but you are to go! on the lords day saturday not the popes day!! you are dumb!!!! for calling me dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can go to church and attend a service about the Lord any day I feel like it. We live under a grace covenant, not the Law covenant of the Old Covenant. You need to stop living under the Old Covenant. I attend services on thursday too. If you think that God is upset with His people for attending services on certain days, then you really need to go back to square one and learn what living under grace is all about. Trust me God is happy anytime we are in service. He wants His people getting fed!
 
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I can go to church and attend a service about the Lord any day I feel like it. We live under a grace covenant, not the Law covenant of the Old Covenant. You need to stop living under the Old Covenant. I attend services on thursday too. If you think that God is upset with His people for attending services on certain days, then you really need to go back to square one and learn what living under grace is all about. Trust me God is happy anytime we are in service. He wants His people getting fed!
i agree with that!!!!!
 
here we go again I thessalonians 4:17 is a description of what is to come!!! and II thessalonians tell you when!!! it will happen /// after after after 3] Let no{{ man}} deceive you by any means:
for that day shall {{{not come}},
except there come a falling away first,
and that {{{man of sin be revealed}}, [9] Even{ him,} whose coming is{ after } the working of {{{Satan}}}
with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Howdy Kevin!

Well, You have failed another simple Bible test. Let me show you what I am talking about. But first, I have come to the conclusion that you are stuck on AFTER!

If I was to post Genesis 1:1, it is possible that you may come back with Genesis 1:1 will not take place until AFTER!!!

Now, Let us look at 2 Thessalonians 2:3 in greater detail...

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Many well meaning Christians totally misinterpret this verse in the Bible because they simply do not understand Matthew 5:17-18 or even Acts 15:16.

The man of sin, the son of perdition is revealed to the World during the Day of the Lord. See Amos 5:18. The Day of the Lord is a day of darkness.

Now, Paul recognizes what has happened here and is explaining to the Church of Thessalonica that the letter they received with his signature forged was false. The letter they received said that they were already in the Tribulation period.

Sound familiar? Many people say the very same thing today. Many Christians say we are in the Tribulation period now. This is false.

But, Paul declares something very powerful in verses 1-2. Let us take a look at these verses because verses 1-2 explains verse 3...

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2

1. NOW WE beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.


Do you see the expression...the Day of Christ? This expression is very powerful because the Day of Christ occurs before the Day of the Lord. I will prove this to you.

The Greek word in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is Apostasia which has 2 very powerful meanings. And, Apostasia only occurs 2x in the New Testasment. The First time this word is used is in Acts 21:21.

The Greek Word Apostasia has 4 distinct meanings. But, I will show you the first 2. The 2 Definitions are as follows...

1) A defection or revolt
2) A Departure or disappearance


Now, Paul used 4 Greek words in his writings describing the Revelation of Jesus Christ that had been kept secret since the world began. Romans 16:25. These 4 Greek words are as follows...

1) harpazo--1 Thessalonians 4:17
2) episunagogue--2 Thessalonians 2:1
3) apostasia--2 Thessalonians 2:3
4) ginomai ek--2 Thessalonians 2:7


Now,

1) harpazo means a snatching away by force
2) episunagogue means to gather in one place--See 1 Thessalonians 4:17
3) Apostasia
4) ginomai ek means to take out of


Apostasia defined--
1) A defection or revolt
2) A Departure or disappearance


Looking at the definition of Apostasia above, Which definition fits Paul's teaching of the Revelation of Jesus Christ?

The answer is definition #2. Because, We depart this earth or disappear to meet the Lord in the air.

Therefore, The Day of the Lord with the revelation of the man of sin, the son of perdition will not take place until The Day of Christ occurs with a departure or disappearance occurring first and the man of sin, the son of perdition be revealed to the world when the Day of the Lord begins.

The Day of Christ, according to God's Plan, takes place FIRST before the Day of the Lord. And, This information proves Acts 15:16 and Revelation 4:1.

Therefore, The Seed of Abraham multiplied as the stars of the heaven and the Seed of Isaac multiplied as the stars of the heaven are taken out of this world into heaven before the man of sin, the son of perdition is revealed to the world.

So, Your point that the rapture takes place after the man of sin is revealed for the Christian Church is false.

God Bless You!

Dr. Mike
 
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quote from the dr. Matter of fact, Revelation 4:1 occurs before Revelation 6:2which is the beginning of the 7th Kingdom, The Revised Roman Empire, of Revelation 17:9-11. this is so on the point the 7th roman empire is in power right now.........2010 and has been !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The 7th Roman Empire???? I'm only familiar with one and its Eastern leg outlasting it by almost 1000 years. What 7 Roman Empires do you know of? I'm not following.
 
quote from the dr. Matter of fact, Revelation 4:1 occurs before Revelation 6:2which is the beginning of the 7th Kingdom, The Revised Roman Empire, of Revelation 17:9-11. this is so on the point the 7th roman empire is in power right now.........2010 and has been !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Howdy Kevin!

No, The Seventh Kingdom is not in power right now. I will give you a very powerful Biblical Truth. The rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem will begin under this 7th Kingdom. See Acts 15:16b.

The Man of sin, the Son of perdition will make a peace treaty with Israel so that the rebuilding of the Temple of David can begin. See Daniel 9:27a. Without this peace treaty, The Muslims will strike against Israel to wipe them off the face of this earth. See Psalm 83:4.

Because, The Muslims know what it means for the Jewish people to begin rebuilding the Jewish Temple of David. And, They do not want this to happen.

God Bless You!

Dr. Mike
 
i did not come here to argue with you i am done wiyh this blog!! and i will start another!!!!

Oh Yippee. Is this going to be another blog telling people they are going through the Tribulation or that you need to go follow all the OT laws under grace or that you shouldn't go to service on Sundays because you will receive the mark of the pope/beast and only 7th Day Adventists attend service on Sundays?
 
Howdy Kevin!

No, The Seventh Kingdom is not in power right now. I will give you a very powerful Biblical Truth. The rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem will begin under this 7th Kingdom. See Acts 15:16b.

The Man of sin, the Son of perdition will make a peace treaty with Israel so that the rebuilding of the Temple of David can begin. See Daniel 9:27a. Without this peace treaty, The Muslims will strike against Israel to wipe them off the face of this earth. See Psalm 83:4.

Because, The Muslims know what it means for the Jewish people to begin rebuilding the Jewish Temple of David. And, They do not want this to happen.

God Bless You!

Dr. Mike
i keep telling you but now one will lisen the pope has alread made a covanant with Israel just a few years back and the Muslims are next people just want listen to me these thing that i say about the vatican and the pope are a fact i had a copy of the covanet he made with israel and and then he went to the temple mount and cast water on the ground! and said now! it is holy!!!!!!!!!
agail. i will find it again and post it ..all of you think this pope thing is a joke!!!! but when you have all! the goverments in the world makeing deals with him . what do you think is going on.... i will give a quote as close to what it says in the bible!!<TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; MARGIN-LEFT: auto; FONT-SIZE: 100%; MARGIN-RIGHT: auto" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>revelations 1
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And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great ***** that sitteth upon many waters:
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>2</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>3</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>4</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>5</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>6</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>7</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>8</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>9</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>10</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>11</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>12</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>13</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>14</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>15</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the ***** sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>16</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the *****, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>17</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>18</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. if you read this and dont now that it is talking about the roman catolic church with the pope being a emporer you do not understand what you are reading </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
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1929

in 1929 the vatican become it own nation/kingdom and the pope is the emperor/king. the hole nation is about 0.17 miles square. it is the money market of the would!!! the countrys of the wourld have be fornicating with her/him for a long time . i will post the covenant the pope made with israel.it has allready taken place!!!
 
Pope John Paul II before he died went to israel and!!Kissed the Koran
What does this mean
So, when the Pope kissed the Koran, at a meeting recently with Islamic leaders, the Pope was claiming Islam for Mother
Church. When the Mullahs and Sheiks of Islam invited the Pope to kiss the Koran, they were handing the Pope the key to Mecca
and all one billion Muslims. They may not have understood this, but this is now the legal and ecclesiastical standard for
all future dealings of the Vatican with Muslim leaders.
This is why the Roman Church in the Bible is called a "Great *****." The Catholic system will prostitute itself with ANY
religious system, ANY vicious dictator like Adolph Hitler, and ANY fool Protestant who will give or accept the kiss of death
from the Pope. The Lutherans of Germany did this just last year, and they now BELONG to the Pope.
THE KORAN IS NOW CANON LAW
Let me now show you a good number of examples of what you believe if you are a Roman Catholic. You see, my dear Catholic
friend, you and your priest have now been given an additional canon by the act of Pope John Paul II. His kiss is his claim
of the Koran of Islam into the canon of Scripture, whether you like it or not. And, the Pope is merely acting out what he
was ORDERED to do when Vatican II instructed him to restore all "separated brethren" to Mother Church. One billion Muslims
are now your "brethren."
 
in 1929 the vatican become it own nation/kingdom and the pope is the emperor/king. the hole nation is about 0.17 miles square. it is the money market of the would!!! the countrys of the wourld have be fornicating with her/him for a long time . i will post the covenant the pope made with israel.it has allready taken place!!!

Howdy Kevin!

I want you to know that I have read your posts and understand what you are saying. But, my friend, I will ask you now to listen very carefully here.

The Pope is the head of the Catholic Church. Okay. The Man of Sin is not the head of any Church. The Man of Sin is a World Leader that will come onto the World Scene after a very major world shaking event occurs.

The question is...What is this very major world shaking event? The answer is...The rapiemur, from the Latin Vulgate, or rapture of the Christian Church the Apostle Paul describes as the...caught up...in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Now, based on what you have previously said in your earlier posts, You do not believe in what is known as a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. But, The Bible is very clear and God does not lie. See Numbers 23:19 and God does not break Covenant. See Psalm 89:34.

There will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture event occur whether you believe it or not. God does not base His Actions on what you believe or not. God bases His actions on what He has declared in Scripture.

Since The Christian Church is still here on this earth, The 7th Kingdom, known as the Revised Roman Empire of Revelation 17:9-11, will not occur or begin until the Church is raptured off the face of this earth.

This 7th Kingdom begins in Revelation 6:2. Secondly, After the Rapture Event occurs, The 144,000 of the 12 Tribes of Israel in Revelation 7:1-8 will be sealed in their foreheads to preach the Gospel of Circumcision as prophesied by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:14.

So, at this point in time, The Christian Church and all of the Jewish Believers in Jesus Christ the Messiah are still here. It does not matter what the Pope does. It does not matter what President Obama does.

It does not matter what the Leader of Iran does. It does not matter what the Country of Russia does, or even China. So, What is going to happen? There are many events that will happen prior to the Rapture. Such as wars and rumors of wars.

I firmly believe that we just might witness the Power of God described in Ezekiel 39:2. Why? Because this invasion of Israel is not prophesied to occur by the Apostle John on the isle of patmos in the Book of Revelation.

Russia and Iran have already started talks with each other to obtain more oil for their respective armies. Where is this oil? In Israel. Do you remember God saying to the Children of Israel that the Land He gives them is a land flowing with milk and honey?

Well, The Milk and Honey back then is a picture of what has been there all the time. This Milk and Honey is the oil and gas that Israel has. And, Russia and Iran will invade Israel to get this oil along with several other countries.

So, I encourage you to keep looking up for your redemption draweth nigh. Don't get excited about what is going on. Things are going to happen. Strange events will be seen in the 2nd Heaven. Alternate lifestyles will continue to be more aggressive against the Christian Church.

Just keep studying your Bible and going to Church and patiently wait for the return of Jesus Christ. His return is closer than you think. Why?

The Season of Testimony is about to begin.

God Bless You!

Dr. Mike
 
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