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Help! What is the wall for??

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IN THE NEW JEREUSALEM REVELATION 21
THE WALL THAT GOES AROUND THE CITY
IS REALLY WIDE AND REALLY TALL.

DOES THE WALL HAVE A PURPOSE HERE?

USUALLY A WALL IS TO KEEP SOMETHING
IN OR TO KEEP SOMETHING OUT.

THERE ARE 12 GATES THAT ARE ALWAYS OPEN
SO WHY DO THEY NEED A WALL WITH
12 FOUNDATIONS, ETC.

MY QUESTION IS:

IS THERE A POINT TO THIS HUGE WALL?

IS IT JUST FOR DECORATION?:confused2:
 
MY QUESTION IS:

IS THERE A POINT TO THIS HUGE WALL?

Yes there is! And the Christian today following Jesus mat well jump for joy at the thought of this city.

God called Abraham to follow Him so long ago, we may well be lost in the thought of this immense, period of time, coming through to today......and then beyond into the future, at this time The bible says Heb 11:10.

God called him...and from then onwards he and his decendants...."looked for a city, which hath foundations, whose maker and builder is God" "He Looked for a city".

Not a terrestrial city... A city whose builder and maker is God. This is no ordinary city...Indeed not. This is the city of God.

This city will be the Capital city throughout the Universe.

Such foundations....Rev 21: 14-20
 
Beginning with Revelations 21:9, John records his final vision picturing the city of God, the New Jerusalem where believers in Christ will spend their eternal lives. The New Jerusalem is the ultimate fulfillment of all of God’s promises. It exemplifies the total goodness of God, its infinite brilliance “like that of a very precious jewel, like as jasper, clear as crystal” (Revelations 21:11). It is here that Scripture gives us a description so magnificent that we are able to get a glimpse of the glories of eternal heaven. In this passage, an angel of God has taken John to the top of a great and high mountain. From there John looks down upon this Holy City and tries to describe the indescribable. The city is like a massive, crystal-clear diamond with the glory of God shining from its center over all the new heavens and the new earth. All of eternity is bathed in its splendor.

Then in verse 12, John moves from describing its general appearance to its exterior design beginning with the walls. Human words are incapable of describing what John is trying to convey, which is why he continually uses similes, saying often “it is like” something else. But he gives us just enough to excite our hearts and stir our souls. God, through John, gets us as close to the understanding of this place as our finite minds can comprehend.

The walls of the city, described as “great and high,” are an obvious symbol of exclusion of all that are unworthy to enter the city. Though innumerable believers will enjoy its glory, there is the chilling reminder that only the redeemed may enter. In the wall itself are twelve gates guarded by twelve angels and inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. In keeping with the square shape of the city, the gates are located on each of the four sides as specified in verse 13. It is noteworthy, however, that not only are the twelve apostles represented but also the twelve tribes of Israel. This should settle beyond any question the matter of the inclusion of Old Testament saints. It apparently is the divine intent to represent that the New Jerusalem will have among its citizens not only believers of the present age, but also Israel and the saints of other ages, all of whom make up the Church of Jesus Christ.

But a final question remains: if those within the walls of the New Jerusalem are the saved, who then are those outside its walls? The last three verses of chapter 21 gives us the answer: “On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life” (Revelations 21:25-27). The city’s gates in the wall will never be shut. It is not that outside of the New Jerusalem, unsaved people are still roaming around, but this pictures a city with open gates on a new earth where believers will dwell throughout eternity. Ancient cities shut their gates at night for security purposes. However, since there will be no night there, and since all evil will have been eradicated, these gates will stay open constantly. Revelation seems to picture a great amount of activity coming and going from the city, but all who go in and out are those redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. The unredeemed are a long way outside the city’s walls—in the “outer darkness” of hell (Matthew 8:12), consigned to the lake of fire (Revelations 10:14-15)—and can never come near the Holy City.

Jesus Himself, as well as John, specifies the “impure” as those who will not enter the city: “Outside are the dogs who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood” as well as the “cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, and all liars” (Revelations 22:15). By contrast, those people whose names are recorded in the Lamb’s book of life are free to enter the Holy City; they possess life eternal and belong to their faithful Savior Jesus Christ. The Lamb, who bought them with His blood (Revelations 5:9), will never blot out their names from His book (Revelations 3:5) and will grant them the right to the tree of life and entrance into the city (Revelations 22:14).

Though the description of the city does not answer all our questions concerning the eternal state, the revelation given to John describes a beautiful and glorious future for all who put their trust in the living God. Conversely, it reveals to us that when the end does come, no opportunity will remain for one’s repentance and acceptance into heaven. The truth is this: spiritual renewal takes place in this present life, not in the afterlife.


i found this would give the link but its not allowed :) hope it helps you as much as it did me.
 
Thanks

Thanks for the link message!
VERY INFORMATIVE!

But im still a little confused about the wall here.

In Revelation 21:17
My commentary Bible says seventy two yards
(this is the width of the wall)

WHY IS IT SO WIDE AND SO TALL?
THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE WONDERED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME
and you also menchioned in your link that the gates were guarded by angels,

WHICH MAKES ME ASK THE QUESTION WHY DO WE NEED GUARDS AT THE GATE?



THE GATES WERE GUARDED BY ANGELS??
Where is that in The Bible?
(or are you referring to Revelation 21:12)????
 
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The dimensions and structures that John describes are more symbolically driven than architecturally descriptive.

144 cubits. In Hebrew thought, the number 12 represented God's people - first 12 tribes of Israel, and then 12 apostles. My guess is that the first readers of the revelation would have understood those 12s to mean that the New Jerusalem is the place of God's people. Of course 12 x 12=144, so this is another way of emphasizing the point.

I did a quick search for "bible, number, symbolism" and found that there are a lot of strange people and ideas out there...
 
The dimensions and structures that John describes are more symbolically driven than architecturally descriptive.

144 cubits. In Hebrew thought, the number 12 represented God's people - first 12 tribes of Israel, and then 12 apostles. My guess is that the first readers of the revelation would have understood those 12s to mean that the New Jerusalem is the place of God's people. Of course 12 x 12=144, so this is another way of emphasizing the point.

I did a quick search for "bible, number, symbolism" and found that there are a lot of strange people and ideas out there...

See this is were a lot of people differ on Revelation. whats symbolic and whats literal. I suppose that everything can not be literal but what reason other than the number system makes the scripture symbolic? if the width and length are symbolic then what makes the city itself literal. or even the lake of fire? If the length and width are symbolic is the different levels of the city as well or the river of life that flows through it? then u get into all the tree of life numbers, is the number of fruits and leaves symbolic as well? how do u draw your line between literal and symbolic. this is something that has always confused me. just wondering what the thought process is when distinguishing between the two. thanks.
 
See this is were a lot of people differ on Revelation. whats symbolic and whats literal. I suppose that everything can not be literal but what reason other than the number system makes the scripture symbolic? if the width and length are symbolic then what makes the city itself literal. or even the lake of fire? If the length and width are symbolic is the different levels of the city as well or the river of life that flows through it? then u get into all the tree of life numbers, is the number of fruits and leaves symbolic as well? how do u draw your line between literal and symbolic. this is something that has always confused me. just wondering what the thought process is when distinguishing between the two. thanks.

Good comment, Coright.

Hey, is this the city that comes down to earth during the 1000 year tribulation? So, for 1000 years, the unsaved will just be outside the gates causing havoc on eachother? What's the purpose in that? I'm confused.
 
Some of the things in Revelation is symbolic
When you read a verse that says
(liken unto)
that means symbolic
such as Revelation 9:7

There are symbols all through The Book,(REVELATION)

But there are also MANY VERSES THAT
ARE TO BE TAKEN LITERAL

I HOPE THIS WILL HELP YOU DECIDE
WHICH IS WHICH
WHEN YOU READ REVELATION

GOD BLESS YOU
 
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Hey, is this the city that comes down to earth during the 1000 year tribulation?

no HoneyBare, I think your a little confused

First come The Rapture, Revelation 4-(also see I Thessalonians 4: 15,16,17)when all the Christians will be removed from the earth
then COMES

the Tribulation Period which will last for 7 years Revelation Chapters 6-19

after that the Second Coming of Christ Revelation 19:11-21

Then the Thousand Year Reign of Christ, Revelation 20:6
a time of peace when Jesus will rule on earth from his
Father David's Throne (this is also a time when
Satan will be bound 1000 years)

After the thousand years are up
Satan will be loosed again to deceive the nations. Revelation 20:7-10

Fire will rain down out of the sky on those nations who rise up against God and they will be devoured Revelation 20:9,10

Then comes The White Throne Judgment, A Judgment
For All UNBELIEVERS Revelation 20:11
(NO SAVED PEOPLE WILL BE IN THIS JUDGMENT
This Judgment takes place during indescribable
void between the end of the present universe and
the creation of the new heaven and earth
ALL THE SINNERS WILL BE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE
AND THE EARTH WILL BE BURNED UP (CLEANED UP)
ELEMENTS WILL MELT WITH A FERVENT HEAT
here the contaminated universe goes out of existence.
Peter describes this moment in 2 Peter 3:10-13
The universe is uncreated and going into non-existence Matt 24:35

THIS IS GODS WAY OF GETTING RID OF ALL EVIL BEFORE HE BRINGS DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN,

The Holy City, New Jerusalem
where all the Christians (saved redeemed by the blood of the lamb)
will dwell forever. Revelation 21

and so shall we live there forever.
 
Creation is not awaiting annihiliation - non-existance: all creation will be renewed, redeemed and restored. Read Romans 8:19-23 and Revelation 21:1-4.

We will be given resurrection bodies, and the whole of the earth will be made new. Then we shall reign with God.

Our salvation is not a flight from this world - it is hoping for its redemption.
 
(Quote by HoneyBare)
Hey, is this the city that comes down to earth during the 1000 year tribulation?

no HoneyBare, I think your a little confused

First come The Rapture, Revelation 4-(also see I Thessalonians 4: 15,16,17)when all the Christians will be removed from the earth
then COMES

the Tribulation Period which will last for 7 years Revelation Chapters 6-19

after that the Second Coming of Christ Revelation 19:11-21

Then the Thousand Year Reign of Christ, Revelation 20:6
a time of peace when Jesus will rule on earth from his
Father David's Throne (this is also a time when
Satan will be bound 1000 years)

After the thousand years are up
Satan will be loosed again to deceive the nations. Revelation 20:7-10

Fire will rain down out of the sky on those nations who rise up against God and they will be devoured Revelation 20:9,10

Then comes The White Throne Judgment, A Judgment
For All UNBELIEVERS Revelation 20:11
(NO SAVED PEOPLE WILL BE IN THIS JUDGMENT
This Judgment takes place during indescribable
void between the end of the present universe and
the creation of the new heaven and earth
ALL THE SINNERS WILL BE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE
AND THE EARTH WILL BE BURNED UP (CLEANED UP)
ELEMENTS WILL MELT WITH A FERVENT HEAT
here the contaminated universe goes out of existence.
Peter describes this moment in 2 Peter 3:10-13
The universe is uncreated and going into non-existence Matt 24:35

THIS IS GODS WAY OF GETTING RID OF ALL EVIL BEFORE HE BRINGS DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN,

The Holy City, New Jerusalem
where all the Christians (saved redeemed by the blood of the lamb)
will dwell forever. Revelation 21

and so shall we live there forever.


Makes me so happy when i hear that other people believe it the way i do. keeps me thinking that i might be getting some of it right . thanks for the post very informative.
 
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