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The "Just Man" Proverbs 24:16

yort

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Proverbs 24:16 ("(THE JUST MAN);For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief (KJV). The (ASV1901) mistakenly translates the second cl
ause to mean that calamity will overthrow the wicked man. This is done by insisting on "ACCURACY" instead of "CLARITY" (see the old gimmick in pro 16:27) and then discovering that the Hebrew has the wrong preposition to match the reading. [The "Beth" before the "raah"(Heb tex) cannot be translated "BY" here, for the verb preceding it is not in the Niphal, Hithpael, or any other partly "passive" voice. This verb is a plain, out-and-out Qal, third person plural, active. The Massoretic text reads "stumble under adversity. "]. The "just man" of the passage has numerous counterparts. Perhaps the greatest in the Old Testament is David, who "fell" so many times it is a wonder that he did not break every bone in his body. David runs from danger (1Sam 27:1), pretends to be something he's not (1Sam 11), and murder (2Sam 11-12), plays favorites between his children (1Sam 13:39), makes alliances with God's enemies (1Sam 28:1-3), and then proceeds to rise to the throne, the line of Christ, and the authorship of more than 1/2 the books of Psalms! [The companion verse to the Proverb is found in Psalm 37:23-24. ]. "The wicked" is well illustrated by David's counterpart Saul. Saul dose not "rise"; he falls (1Sam31) and falls permanently (2Sam7:15). When one matches Saul sins alongside David's, it is almost impossible to discern the "righteous from the wicked" (Mal3:18); for although Saul lies (1Sam 18:17), usurps the priest's office (1Sam 13:11), murders (1Sam 22:19), and commits suicide (1Sam31), he dose not commit adultery, and there is no record of his ever defecting to the Philistines ( although he dose defect to a "necromancer" in 1Sam 28). We are told in the New Testament that Lot was a "just man" (2Peter 2); and even though he dose not "rise again" after Genesis 19, he will "rise again" in the resurrection of the "just" (Acts 24:15), for that is the clear promise of the text before us. It is one of the greatest. Old Testament promises for eternal security found anywhere and must always be read with Solomon in mind, for to solomon (2Sam 7:11-16) were given the " sure mercies of David" (Acts 13:30-39). Amen Yort(Troy).(This commentary was from "The Book of Proverbs", The Believers Commentary By Peter S. Ruckman,pg239b & 240a".
 
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Proverbs 24:16 ("(THE JUST MAN);For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief (KJV). The (ASV1901) mistakenly translates the second cl
ause to mean that calamity will overthrow the wicked man. This is done by insisting on "ACCURACY" instead of "CLARITY" (see the old gimmick in pro 16:27) and then discovering that the Hebrew has the wrong preposition to match the reading. [The "Beth" before the "raah"(Heb tex) cannot be translated "BY" here, for the verb preceding it is not in the Niphal, Hithpael, or any other partly "passive" voice. This verb is a plain, out-and-out Qal, third person plural, active. The Massoretic text reads "stumble under adversity. "]. The "just man" of the passage has numerous counterparts. Perhaps the greatest in the Old Testament is David, who "fell" so many times it is a wonder that he did not break every bone in his body. David runs from danger (1Sam 27:1), pretends to be something he's not (1Sam 11), and murder (2Sam 11-12), plays favorites between his children (1Sam 13:39), makes alliances with God's enemies (1Sam 28:1-3), and then proceeds to rise to the throne, the line of Christ, and the authorship of more than 1/2 the books of Psalms! [The companion verse to the Proverb is found in Psalm 37:23-24. ]. "The wicked" is well illustrated by David's counterpart Saul. Saul dose not "rise"; he falls (1Sam31) and falls permanently (2Sam7:15). When one matches Saul sins alongside David's, it is almost impossible to discern the "righteous from the wicked" (Mal3:18); for although Saul lies (1Sam 18:17), usurps the priest's office (1Sam 13:11), murders (1Sam 22:19), and commits suicide (1Sam31), he dose not commit adultery, and there is no record of his ever defecting to the Philistines ( although he dose defect to a "necromancer" in 1Sam 28). We are told in the New Testament that Lot was a "just man" (2Peter 2); and even though he dose not "rise again" after Genesis 19, he will "rise again" in the resurrection of the "just" (Acts 24:15), for that is the clear promise of the text before us. It is one of the greatest. Old Testament promises for eternal security found anywhere and must always be read with Solomon in mind, for to solomon (2Sam 7:11-16) were given the " sure mercies of David" (Acts 13:30-39). Amen Yort(Troy).

Your post has a remarkable resemblance to the writings of Dr. Peter S. Ruckman. Have you studied under him? Just curious. Have a great day. Doc
 
Proverbs 24:16 ("(THE JUST MAN);For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief (KJV). The (ASV1901) mistakenly translates the second cl
ause to mean that calamity will overthrow the wicked man. This is done by insisting on "ACCURACY" instead of "CLARITY" (see the old gimmick in pro 16:27) and then discovering that the Hebrew has the wrong preposition to match the reading. [The "Beth" before the "raah"(Heb tex) cannot be translated "BY" here, for the verb preceding it is not in the Niphal, Hithpael, or any other partly "passive" voice. This verb is a plain, out-and-out Qal, third person plural, active. The Massoretic text reads "stumble under adversity. "]. The "just man" of the passage has numerous counterparts. Perhaps the greatest in the Old Testament is David, who "fell" so many times it is a wonder that he did not break every bone in his body. David runs from danger (1Sam 27:1), pretends to be something he's not (1Sam 11), and murder (2Sam 11-12), plays favorites between his children (1Sam 13:39), makes alliances with God's enemies (1Sam 28:1-3), and then proceeds to rise to the throne, the line of Christ, and the authorship of more than 1/2 the books of Psalms! [The companion verse to the Proverb is found in Psalm 37:23-24. ]. "The wicked" is well illustrated by David's counterpart Saul. Saul dose not "rise"; he falls (1Sam31) and falls permanently (2Sam7:15). When one matches Saul sins alongside David's, it is almost impossible to discern the "righteous from the wicked" (Mal3:18); for although Saul lies (1Sam 18:17), usurps the priest's office (1Sam 13:11), murders (1Sam 22:19), and commits suicide (1Sam31), he dose not commit adultery, and there is no record of his ever defecting to the Philistines ( although he dose defect to a "necromancer" in 1Sam 28). We are told in the New Testament that Lot was a "just man" (2Peter 2); and even though he dose not "rise again" after Genesis 19, he will "rise again" in the resurrection of the "just" (Acts 24:15), for that is the clear promise of the text before us. It is one of the greatest. Old Testament promises for eternal security found anywhere and must always be read with Solomon in mind, for to solomon (2Sam 7:11-16) were given the " sure mercies of David" (Acts 13:30-39). Amen Yort(Troy).(This commentary was from "The Book of Proverbs", The Believers Commentary By Peter S. Ruckman,pg239b & 240a".

Yort: Thank you for adding the proper credits to your post. BLESSINGS. Doc
 
For us the Christian, this means, that the true sincere Christian may fall several times, but always rises back up into his sincerity toward God; whereas the wicked, that is, those who are not sincere(whether they call themselves a Christian or not), they will always fall into mischief, rather than owning up to their sin, they will seek to cover it up, or make excuse for it; doing anything other than repenting.
 
For us the Christian, this means, that the true sincere Christian may fall several times, but always rises back up into his sincerity toward God; whereas the wicked, that is, those who are not sincere(whether they call themselves a Christian or not), they will always fall into mischief, rather than owning up to their sin, they will seek to cover it up, or make excuse for it; doing anything other than repenting.

Absolutely. The genuine believer will always persevere towards "the upward call of God in Christ Jesus" - no matter what the failure, disappointment, trial, or difficulty - Philippians 3:14; Ephesians 6:13; Luke 8:15. The "pretenders" will eventually fall by the wayside - Luke 8:11-14. BLESSINGS. Doc
 
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