candlelight248
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We must follow the laws of the Lord right? How do we rationalize the fact that we eat red meat and get tatoos or other things that are explicitly unlawful in this chapter. I am struggling with this myself, any words?
Leviticus 19-What?
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Lion_of_Judah
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Hello Candlelight,
Romans 14:14 (not to hard to remember where that one's at) is a good place to start.
" As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself."
and again in vs. 17
" For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit "
And you probably know this old adage.. "Everything in moderation"
:wink:
God Bless you with wisdom,
LoJ
Romans 14:14 (not to hard to remember where that one's at) is a good place to start.
" As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself."
and again in vs. 17
" For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit "
And you probably know this old adage.. "Everything in moderation"
:wink:
God Bless you with wisdom,
LoJ
SpiritLedEd
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As to red meat, I can't comment right now. However, as to the tatoos, that prohibition was because tatooing their bodies with pagan symbols was one of the detestable practices of the Canaanites that God's people were to conquer. Their religious practices were an abomination to God and He didn't want His people drawn to them.
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candlelight248
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Thanks guys that really helps! I am reading a book right now called the Blue Parakeet and one of the themes is "that was then this is now" in that God spoke in moses days in moses ways and Davids days in davids ways. I wondered to myself as I read what I personally can discern to be acceptable behavior in today's world and what is not. Is it purely based on my convictions? Or do I look to the beliefs of the church to tell me what is acceptable christian behavior and what is not. I am sure that I am not the only person to struggle with this. Obviously we cannot follow all of the laws of the bible literally but how do you discern what "laws" to follow?
is poison alright in moderation?
it matters what you eat you heard the saying you are what you eat.
health is important and Biblical so if it is not healthy and good for you then don't eat it.
do you not know that you are not your own therfore honour God with your body.
wether you eat dring or whatever you do do it all to the glory of God.
it does not glorify GOd to get sick all the time to be week physically and intelectually because of the rubbish we eat.
thou shall not kill, bad eating habits will kill you just becasue its not straight away does not give us free reign.
does it matter waht we eat or drink? yes it does.
moderation is fine as long as its not harmfull and much of what we consume is harmful these days. do not make your stomach your GOd.
BLessings
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leviticus 19
Simple answer. We are now under the new testament not Law. Christ fulfilled the law for us and now we no longer have to related to God through the Mosaic Law. Really the law was for the Jewish race only. It was temporary until Jesus could come and fulfill it. We are justified by faith in the finished work of Christ, not by keeping the Law.
Simple answer. We are now under the new testament not Law. Christ fulfilled the law for us and now we no longer have to related to God through the Mosaic Law. Really the law was for the Jewish race only. It was temporary until Jesus could come and fulfill it. We are justified by faith in the finished work of Christ, not by keeping the Law.
Gracealone
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Amen Tucker, I agree.
Gracealone
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There is much wisdom we can glean from the Old Testament, as well as the New.
God is the same, yesterday today ,and for ever.
We can watch how he dealt with mankind back then ,and now, and be exercised thereby, follow the precepts of both, and grow in Grace, knowledge, and wisdom of our Lord.
The Old Testament is just as relevant today as it was then.
Just takes a heart to see.
Lion_of_Judah
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Leviticus 19
This is a tough discussion seeing the christian world does not understand the Mosaic Law, Grace and how the Law relates to the new testament believer. I would ask after reading this that you research the scriptures, read Romans written to a mixture of gentile and Jewish believers, Galatians written to gentiles who never were under the Law, and Hebrews written to Jewish believers who converted to Christianity and were trying to be drawn back into the Law by Judiazers.
I tim 1: 7-11, Gal 2: 15-16, 19-21, 3:10-13, 19, 24-25, 5:1-6, Romans 9: 30, 10: 1-4, 11:5-6, Hebrews 7: 18-22, Hebrews 8: 6-13, Hebrews 9: 15.
The Mosaic Law is the only covenant written to man with conditions. If you wanted to be blessed under the Law you had to keep all the Law. The Law was a tutor until the teacher came. Prior to the Law God blessed man based on the Abrahamic Covenant. He came to Abraham and presented a covenant that all you had to do was believe. The Law required to be justified before God you had to keep the law. If you did not curses came on you. If a believer today tries to live his life under Mosaic Law according to Galatians he puts himself under a curse. You have to keep it all, not part but all. Justification today comes by beleiveing on the finished work of Christ. When you do, the law is then written on your mind and heart. You are to live out of your heart, not by rules and regulations set forth by the Law. See Romans 14 and I Corth chapter 8.
We put people under extreme bondage by making them live by the law. We seek to be justified by works not faith in what Christ. We present our good works of the Law to God and expect to be blessed! God only is pleased by faith. Faith in his free gift of salvation and trusting that you are pleasing to him by your faith not your works.
Now works are important, but they never are to be confused with doing them to please God. The law was written for the Jewish race to follow until the promise of Christ could come so ALL men could receive the free gift of Christ. Your good works should come out of a heart that loves God, not trying to please God. Yes, we can learn from the Law, but never to be justified in the sight of God. I corth 15:56 states that the strength of sin is the LAW. All the law does is reveal what sin is, which then should make you turn to Christ for help.
This is a very limited teaching of Law and Grace, but if you are living your life by trying to please God by works of the Mosaic Law you will be very miserable. The only one who kept the Law was Christ. He fulfilled it for you, went to the cross, died, bore the curse of the Law, rose again for your justification. So why would you want to live under something that is obsolete? The only use the Law has today is to reveal sin which should drive you to Christ. Your justified by Christ, not your works of the Law. People say they live by the Law, but I never see them bringing the animal sacrifices to the temple in order to be justified and have their sins covered for a year. In fact, the whole priest hood has been done away with because you are now Kings and Priest before God. You can come to him yourself, not through a mediator at the temple.
Its Christ plus nothing. Its all him and what he did and that is where you can put your trust! God loves you, accepts you and wants you to live out of your spirit, not the letter of the Law.
This is a tough discussion seeing the christian world does not understand the Mosaic Law, Grace and how the Law relates to the new testament believer. I would ask after reading this that you research the scriptures, read Romans written to a mixture of gentile and Jewish believers, Galatians written to gentiles who never were under the Law, and Hebrews written to Jewish believers who converted to Christianity and were trying to be drawn back into the Law by Judiazers.
I tim 1: 7-11, Gal 2: 15-16, 19-21, 3:10-13, 19, 24-25, 5:1-6, Romans 9: 30, 10: 1-4, 11:5-6, Hebrews 7: 18-22, Hebrews 8: 6-13, Hebrews 9: 15.
The Mosaic Law is the only covenant written to man with conditions. If you wanted to be blessed under the Law you had to keep all the Law. The Law was a tutor until the teacher came. Prior to the Law God blessed man based on the Abrahamic Covenant. He came to Abraham and presented a covenant that all you had to do was believe. The Law required to be justified before God you had to keep the law. If you did not curses came on you. If a believer today tries to live his life under Mosaic Law according to Galatians he puts himself under a curse. You have to keep it all, not part but all. Justification today comes by beleiveing on the finished work of Christ. When you do, the law is then written on your mind and heart. You are to live out of your heart, not by rules and regulations set forth by the Law. See Romans 14 and I Corth chapter 8.
We put people under extreme bondage by making them live by the law. We seek to be justified by works not faith in what Christ. We present our good works of the Law to God and expect to be blessed! God only is pleased by faith. Faith in his free gift of salvation and trusting that you are pleasing to him by your faith not your works.
Now works are important, but they never are to be confused with doing them to please God. The law was written for the Jewish race to follow until the promise of Christ could come so ALL men could receive the free gift of Christ. Your good works should come out of a heart that loves God, not trying to please God. Yes, we can learn from the Law, but never to be justified in the sight of God. I corth 15:56 states that the strength of sin is the LAW. All the law does is reveal what sin is, which then should make you turn to Christ for help.
This is a very limited teaching of Law and Grace, but if you are living your life by trying to please God by works of the Mosaic Law you will be very miserable. The only one who kept the Law was Christ. He fulfilled it for you, went to the cross, died, bore the curse of the Law, rose again for your justification. So why would you want to live under something that is obsolete? The only use the Law has today is to reveal sin which should drive you to Christ. Your justified by Christ, not your works of the Law. People say they live by the Law, but I never see them bringing the animal sacrifices to the temple in order to be justified and have their sins covered for a year. In fact, the whole priest hood has been done away with because you are now Kings and Priest before God. You can come to him yourself, not through a mediator at the temple.
Its Christ plus nothing. Its all him and what he did and that is where you can put your trust! God loves you, accepts you and wants you to live out of your spirit, not the letter of the Law.
Boanerges
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Amen my friend. The Old Testament was the covenant of a servant. The New Testament is the covenant of a son. We no longer walk according to rules and regulations but are led of the Spirit of God. Our righteousness is that of Christ Himself imputed to us and it is on that basis alone that we can both enter His presence and be accepted by a holy God.
Gideons 300
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Wrong.....
If you would, read Romans Ch 3-8 and see what Paul is saying. Read Galatians and see how hard Paul comes against the Galatians going back under what he called "weak and beggarly elements". The law had one purpose. To make us guilty and seek Jesus for mercy and empowerment. You see, the law demanded, but did not empower. Christ did. The word says God causes us to will AND to do of His good pleasure. Obedience in the new covenant is a promise, but unbelief has set in deeply. It is time we rediscovered the freeedom we have in Christ where all things are lawful, but we are constrained by the love of God to obey in spirit and not just the letter of the law. Thoughts? i will be glad to try to shed light on this. i know it is not commonly heard....yet.
Brother, you are voicing an opinion held by many that is incorrect. We, as children of God under the new covenant, are not under the law of commandments any more. Do you know what the lwa demands? PERFECT 100% obedience or you are judged guilty of all. In addition, your actions themselves must not only be perfect, your heart must be pure as you obey. Have you lusted? You are judged by the lwa you want to be under as an adulterer and the punushment is stoning. Thank God we are no longer under the law!
If you would, read Romans Ch 3-8 and see what Paul is saying. Read Galatians and see how hard Paul comes against the Galatians going back under what he called "weak and beggarly elements". The law had one purpose. To make us guilty and seek Jesus for mercy and empowerment. You see, the law demanded, but did not empower. Christ did. The word says God causes us to will AND to do of His good pleasure. Obedience in the new covenant is a promise, but unbelief has set in deeply. It is time we rediscovered the freeedom we have in Christ where all things are lawful, but we are constrained by the love of God to obey in spirit and not just the letter of the law. Thoughts? i will be glad to try to shed light on this. i know it is not commonly heard....yet.
StopPolloition
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Excellent point indeed. Properly understood, all of the rules and laws in Leviticus were to engender a sense of God if you will. As it related to their diet, dealings with other people, clothing etc., everything the Jews did was to remind them of their intimate relationship with God and their priviledge of being his people. They were called to be a kingdom of priests who in God's divine order would administer that relationship to the world- a light to the Gentiles. Take for example the law against cooking an animal in milk-this prohibition served to remind them not to mix life (milk) with death (killing and consumption). Seen in this light, many of the stipulations become less arcane. Further, the laws were to create a constant (I hate to use the phrase because it's been so abused), "God consciousness"- a nation whos identity was indelibly linked to their awaiting their Messiah. Secondarily, the Law was impossible for men to abide; were they guilty of one infraction, they'd be liable for breaking all. Thus as a schoolmaster it pointed out man's futility in extricating himself from sin and his desperate need for a savior. Jesus coming to Earth didnt abolish these laws, it fulfilled them- in the sense that if the people would, they could still maintain certain practices and separations as a memorial to their being God's people, but no longer necessary to please him.
WE are NEW HEAVENLY creatures and under NEW perfect laws!
The law of LOVE and the law of FAITH!
Love gives us Grace!
Grace is mercy
WE are not under those laws.
No one could live under them ,but our LORD!
The world tries to put a burdern on us!We have been set free!
of course love pretty much covers those laws?
but there is no tithing, who would we give tithing too?We are the only true priests on earth and we could not tith to each other!
tith is force ,we are Not under any force at all.We are under LOVE!
The new testament is clear how we should give!
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver
if i am forcing you to give?Your not cheerful
and not of necessity.
tithing is necessity and a must if we refuse to live under the NEW TESTAMENT!
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
WE live Now under the Spirit of grace!We do all things out of pure love and as unto our LORD! we want to be led and taught by the Holy Ghost .We follow no person on earth ,But our LORD!
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
we do not add to LOVE!it is enough!
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
we must stay under that Grace or we trod under foot our LORD!
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Everyone 100% died under the law!
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
The law of LOVE and the law of FAITH!
Love gives us Grace!
Grace is mercy
WE are not under those laws.
No one could live under them ,but our LORD!
The world tries to put a burdern on us!We have been set free!
of course love pretty much covers those laws?
but there is no tithing, who would we give tithing too?We are the only true priests on earth and we could not tith to each other!
tith is force ,we are Not under any force at all.We are under LOVE!
The new testament is clear how we should give!
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver
if i am forcing you to give?Your not cheerful
and not of necessity.
tithing is necessity and a must if we refuse to live under the NEW TESTAMENT!
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
WE live Now under the Spirit of grace!We do all things out of pure love and as unto our LORD! we want to be led and taught by the Holy Ghost .We follow no person on earth ,But our LORD!
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
we do not add to LOVE!it is enough!
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
we must stay under that Grace or we trod under foot our LORD!
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Everyone 100% died under the law!
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gideons 300
Member
Great post. The question is-
Do we really believe it? When we really finally do, it will turn our world and THE world upside down.
I think ?God is revealing Truth to many right now!And This means ? The rapture could happen very soon. Because if we become like the church at its beginning? the anti-christ and evil will not have a chance!
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
it seems the church has Not been walking in the POWER GOD gave us !to any degree!
I have seen lots and lots of miracles in my life and i am certain i am no more than Any in HIS BODY!
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
it seems the church has Not been walking in the POWER GOD gave us !to any degree!
I have seen lots and lots of miracles in my life and i am certain i am no more than Any in HIS BODY!
Repent2BSaved
Member
My 2 cents...
The laws of the OT were Quid Pro Quo (something for something)- if you obeyed you were under the protection of God. If you disobeyed, you suffered the consequences ( exiled to Egypt, or Babylon, lost wars etc).
We have the New covenant that Jesus brought in. We obey the laws of the OT, UNLESS the NT says otherwise. So basically, obey the NT.
We are under Grace, not Law. Jesus' sacrifice was in vain if we do not do what He says, and we cannot get to God unless we go through Jesus, soooo.....follow the New Testament daily and read the Old to see how things used to be (old covenants) and to see what a great and wonderful God we serve! God really blessed people in amazing ways in the times before Jesus, considering the many, many times that they disobeyed (not that we are not blessed now, i'm just sayin' back then).
The laws of the OT were Quid Pro Quo (something for something)- if you obeyed you were under the protection of God. If you disobeyed, you suffered the consequences ( exiled to Egypt, or Babylon, lost wars etc).
We have the New covenant that Jesus brought in. We obey the laws of the OT, UNLESS the NT says otherwise. So basically, obey the NT.
We are under Grace, not Law. Jesus' sacrifice was in vain if we do not do what He says, and we cannot get to God unless we go through Jesus, soooo.....follow the New Testament daily and read the Old to see how things used to be (old covenants) and to see what a great and wonderful God we serve! God really blessed people in amazing ways in the times before Jesus, considering the many, many times that they disobeyed (not that we are not blessed now, i'm just sayin' back then).