Tithing?

[Blademan]

'A red herring', take it any way you please. Just release others, to the true teacher our Holy Spirit. Does your intense, no non-sense and (tongue in cheek) straight forward, to the point, knowledge of scripture have to become such an issue of debate as well?

I guess I don't understand. Mike and I do a little parle', and have some fun at it in the midst of our discussion. That's all. We both have wounds we nurse, but we move on. No harm done.

You had alot to point out which you did well, so now we get it, are we still allowed to make our own choices?

Nobody's taking that from you. I certainly don't have that power, and wouldn't exercise it if I did.

We are all part of the same body, it is imperative you lighten up and find something you can end the topic on in agreement. I dare you to pay a few of the others that had their say in the debate a compliment or two! I dare you to say something nice from your heart.

I did. I said "Amen" quite a few times. Didn't you see it, or was it in the other tithing thread?

I for one would like to chat with you socially, obviously in another forum, tell me a bit about yourself, what are you doing in your life right now? are you married, been on holiday lately, what foods do you like or don't like, ever been to South Africa?

We can do that. Just don't take my words wrong. Don't be fooled by a computer screen about my demeanor and tone.

Holy Spirit i declare that we are bound together with cords of God's love that cannot be broken in Jesus name-amen

Amen

 

[Blademan]

I think i see the blade before the man, i was kinda worried myself about posting a reply, i'm still a bit sensitive to tongue lashings! LOL

Come on brother blade tell us a joke or something! You know we want to laugh with you!!

Alright. You asked for it...

What's wrong with you!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Don't you know the word of God at all? The word of God says to meet needs first...the needs of a building and its mostly introverted activites and its few extroverted outreaches? HUH? What's the problem? Don't you know that you're supposed to go along with the rest of the crowd...to be a crowd-pleaser?

HEY, just kidding, folks.

Now, seriously, I like you. :cute-animated:

What I'd like to offer is a suggestion...when it comes to dealing with those who spend and spend and spend on drink, smoke and/or drugs.

RULE #1: Don't give them money.

Have food on hand for immediate sustenance. If they have electrical, gas and/ror water bills, then have them bring the bills to you, and then you can send the payment to the utility company yourself.

Handing money to people can lead to your simply supporting their bad habbits. That's how we do things in our fellowship. People hit us up for money all the time, and we simply refuse them; but we do offer to take care of their immediate needs, such as clean water, decent food, and decent living conditions. Beyond that, we're not at all beholden to them to support their bad habbits.

Does that help any?

 

[Blademan]

I cannot for the life of me understand why we have all this debate about the tithe so continually.

Uh...stephen...this whole discussion has been about the teaching that we must tithe based upon the Old and/or New Testament(s).

It's already been agreed by us all that if one tithes, then fine. The only issue that was left was the PRIORITIY in our giving.

Simmer down, dude. We're all cool here.:tongue-animated:

 

[beam]

Greetings to you brother blademan,

Thanks for your kind and humurous reply, appreciated it.

I truly am learning discernment about giving to people, as you say who 'hit on us all the time for money' for that is no exageration, especially in my small town i live in. I have experienced a man approaching people with his baby in the pram and asking to buy the baby some formula. Only to find that he goes back into the shop and exchanges it for a refund! I was truly furious for the manipulative way he used his baby, and then again another experience i had 'while shopping', i was approached with the same game in mind and i raised my voice to the man and told him out right i know he is lying and that i would not be giving him anything.

But then why the guilt afterward? I said Lord please i do not want to be a christian in word only, did i do the right thing? So when i exited the shop i saw him standing there and others were giving him "donations". So i asked do you want to work and earn your own money? and he said yes, so i replied then allow me to pray for you right here because only God can see the true intents of your heart and if you really want a job God will supply you with one.

But there are also so many other factors that come into his situation, obviously he is in bondage, still carries hurts and abuse from his past etc. Then a few days later i met him and his wife at the place where they were staying, his wife i could see was devastated emotionally and mentally, she is in bondage to things too but truly wants out, so they allowed me to pray for them again. I really had to give it over to the Lord, otherwise i would worry (which i know is fear) about them too much.

In the place where they stay are quite a few others also renting rooms and even sleeping in the lounge, but the corruption that goes on there is so straight forward demonic, it is a terrible sight to see. So (i think) in their case i would not feel right even helping to pay their water bill because of the fact that between the lot of them, the money they do get in they are able to pay their bills, but they don't they squander it on drugs and booze!

So here is another dilemma for me, how do i know i'm not just passing judgement on them!

I used to be an addict myself and truly do have compassion for anyone in bondage to those things, i know how hectic it can be.

Anyway God bless you stax and stax and stax brother
Best regards
beam

 

[spirit1st]

Tithing is under the laws of Moses.Sure you can Tiths ,But your rejecting the LORD JESUS CHRIST! law!

There is NO one on earth to collect tithing!

Only the Levitical priesthood, Could Correct them!

Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

That is NOT to say , GOD does npot want us blessing others. HE not only wants us too? He expects us too
But our of LOVE and NOT FORCE!

Tithing is ONLY under the LAW

But Giving should be out of LOVE!

Our motives are Very Important to GOD!


Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?



The NEW covenant, is Not under Force of Any kind!

2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.


or of necessity:


Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things,

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

If we refuse this freedom?
Which i think many are taught to Reject this Freedom and are taught they are Bound by the law of Tithing and even teach others they are under this law to gain from it!


1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.


Gal 3:22 But the Scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


Even when , They see the Truth in scripture ? They refuse to accept them as Truth and follow there pastor or church and reject Truth !

I see it all the time !


Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


The laws of Moses was in Part! The Law of Christ has fulfilled it !
The law of C

Christ Jesus is LOVE and Faith !

1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.


Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.





Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith

 

[Blademan]

So here is another dilemma for me, how do i know i'm not just passing judgement on them!

I used to be an addict myself and truly do have compassion for anyone in bondage to those things, i know how hectic it can be.

Anyway God bless you stax and stax and stax brother
Best regards
beam

When we see the self-abuse of people perpetrate upon themselves and upon their families, all we can do is pray for them, and then let them hit rock bottom. If they're still using drugs and drinking booze, then they haven't hit the bottom yet. The Lord allows people to hit rock bottom all the time, before lifting them back up.

Guilt, motivated by compassion, must be brought into subjection to the love God has for them.

Sometimes the most loving thing to do is allow them to sit in the ashes and scrape their puss-oozing wounds with shards of pottery. They'll never appreciate the helping hand, or even the hand of the Most High God, in their lives until they see their REAL need.

I learned a great lesson from a company I once worked for. They had a slogan that stated:

You will never change anything in your life that you tolerate.

Those drug-using, booze-drinking people will only change their lives after they see the need, and develope an intolerance of the filth in their lives that must be dealt with.

God will give you the strength to lift a hand of denial to those who are not ready to bow their knees before the Most High, and receive of Him the glorious changes in their lives that they so desperately need. Your help by giving them money or goods will only help them to slide deeper into the pit of self-destruction so long as they aren't ready to receive the Light of God. We sometimes need to be kicked in the rear to get us going in the right direction.

What you're describing is a matter where your giving can be doing more harm than good.

 

[Maureen]

I cannot for the life of me understand why we have all this debate about the tithe so continually.

could be cause we're human, and God knows it only too well, we tend to go round in circles sometimes, like the Israelites in the wilderness.
well I do.

Blademan, Yes I agree about hitting rock bottom, before we will look up, we need to be stripped off what we have, as there is no room and no time for Jesus when we have lots of clutter in our lives.
It's sad to say too, that's that when we realize our need for the Saviour, but whatever way it takes so long as we come, that's what matters.

 

[spirit1st]

I personal think we allow ourselves to be taught by mankind !
pastors and teachers and groups! And Not GOD HIMSELF!

That is why we are divided into so many groups , Each group thinking they have the truth and correct understanding!

this does hurt our Father GOD , As He gave us a part of his own self to keep this from happen!

Very SAD!

Most churches are Not concerned who is Born - again and who is Not. they mainly seek to build up there group and there Own little Kingdoms and make them bigger and more powerful!

So sad! Still I Love the churches as long as they preach Jesus Christ and the Cross!

Power has a way of corrupting us rather quickly it appears?

Thank God ,I am not over other people and can Serve HIm ,without that temptation!

1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Co 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

Wonder if Any church would live by these Words of truth?

What pastor or board Would give up there Power to the least esteemed in the church?
Not Many!

 

[Brother Mike]

Praise God

Um, there are different sheep folds with different functions.
If we all believed the same then nothing else would ever get done, but the one thing we were focused on.
We are all suppose to be of one mind, The mind of Christ. Love one another!!! The scriptures never said we could not disagree.
If Paul only saw through the glass darkly, then where does that put us on the spiritual understanding pole?

Now if you all stopped stealing from God and tithed faithfully ten percent of your gross, and believed like I do, you thieves. This thread would not be at page 19 or whatever.

As for Blademan and myself, It does not make us any difference. We both have had experience with others that do not share the same opinion in scripture. The sin comes in if we are to be offended at each other or walk out of love.

God Bless everyone of you...!!!!

Jesus Is Lord!!!

 

[spirit1st]

Um, there are different sheep folds with different functions.


that is NOT TRUE at ALL

there is Only One FOLD and we are to think alike and not be divided!

satan has divided the body of CHRIST JESUS!


Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:



Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


We do have different anointing s ! But None are Greater or less in HIS body ,there is ONLY One HEAD leading the entire Body!

If we had a true 2nd birth ? Then we are brothers and sisters in the LORD! If we just have words? Then we are not!

Still we love All !

 

[beam]

Greetings to ya all,

I am so very very very happy to see and hear that there are no grudges or hard feelings between anyone, that is what i was getting worried about!! Whew! :sweating:

Thank you God for your blessings and cords of love around all of us that cannot be broken in Jesus name-amen...Hallelujah

We are children of the Most High God, we are blessed beyond measure, we rejoice in you Jesus our saviour and the very LOVER OF OUR SOULS.

:singing:

Best regards
beam

 

[Blademan]

To tell the truth, I'm glad that most institutional members do NOT tithe faithfully to their institutional church organization.

Organized religion already does a bad enough job of remaining true to the Bible they all claim is their defining document.

If they all got what they think they're entitled to (a tenth of the gross of ALL their member's wages), the corruption and desire for worldly things would be exponentially worse.

So, folks, keep your institutional church organizations on a more beggarly level in order to keep them more humble than otherwise.

Why?

It's quite simple, really.

Think about it:

If it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, then imagine institutionalism getting all the wealth to which it claims to be entitled from its membership.

Do the math.

Anyone who thinks that organized religion, run by men, would do a better and more effective job at furthering the Kingdom of God with more money simply doesn't have both feet in the realm of reality.

Most of them would build more and bigger facilities, purchase more sophisiticated equipment and materials, lay larger parking lots, greatly increase the pay of their professional hirlings, etc., etc., etc. Planning and oversight committees would vie for more and more of the pie than ever before, thus increasing the petty bickering to an even higher pitch. The waste would thus increase, leading to even greater laxity in concern for the needy.

Nope. More wealth for man-made church organizations is not at all the answer.

We don't need more buildings and bigger parking lots. We need more provision for needs, and elder men willing to lead by godly example, that the world may look upon a more pure and glorious expression of the Gospel at work in the lives of people who otherwise weren't enabled to serve to such an extent.

 

[Brother Mike]

Wow!!!! look!! more tithing scriptures

SpiritLedED: I should have said there are different ministry's' and operations of ministry's, Different callings and different offices.

Now if you know a way to get us to think alike, that would be a great blessing to the earth!!!!

One of the things I get from sinners is there lame excuse that there are too many denominations that put each other down. One church preaching that God heals, another Church preaches that healing has been done away with. Pray to Mary, don't pray to Mary.

To the average sinner we are all the same to them.

Blademan I will take some of those bigger parking lots and buildings to further the gospel please. Some more land if you have any....

God Bless everyone!!!!!!
Jesus Is Lord.

 

[spirit1st]

Yes ,Of course i know the way we will ALL think alike!
By walking and living in our Spirit!
Our spirits if Born of GOD get along Perfectly , 100%

the problem is in our fleshly minds!

You see , our Spirits once they Dump these bodies? Get along perfect in Heaven [New Jerusalem ] They will here also.


Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Rom 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son


I found if we fast 3 full days water only ,praying and reading HIS Living words . Then we walk and live in our Spirit 100%

 

[Blademan]

Blademan I will take some of those bigger parking lots and buildings to further the gospel please. Some more land if you have any....

Oh, man (sigh). Just when I thought we'd made headway, you take ten steps back.:huh:

I guess I'll never understand the materialist metality...that bigger and more fancy things will ever further the Gospel.

I have no problem with using tools such as the internet and radio, but bigger buildings and parking lots that sit unused most of the time won't make the Gospel any more credible or acceptable to the masses.

All those mega-monuments to man's pride and avarice don't make any more headway for the Gospel than the empty can of beer laying out on the street.

We can watch those who occupy such monuments, people like Robert Schuller, and listen to his positive thinking blubbering, and other slaughters of the Gospel, and see that larger buildings don't automatically equate to higher levels of truth and integrity.

The hungry who walk by the smaller buildings move on with just as much hunger as they'd have walking by the mega-plexes. An empty stomach is an empty stomach, no matter how grand the complex in the neighborhood.

So, I say again, support organized religion with the secondary, or third, portion of your giving, and meet genuine needs with the primary portion that you may then be truly giving to God's work. That stupid building isn't His workmanship. The soul brought to salvation after finding his needs met by God's provision is His workmanship.

 

[spirit1st]

Yes Dear Brother ,I must agree !We are here to bless others and help others. Much better to give to the needy and than to help bigger kingdoms here!

We need the LOVE the person , not seeing bigger more pretty buildings. Spending millions upon millions on junk , that helps NO ONE on earth !

 

[Brother Mike]

well,

Jesus said upon this rock I will build my church!!!

the lord added to the church daily that which can be saved.

God, needs to increases Churches and expand there capacity to meet the needs of more people.

If I am doing something for God, then I feel that God should only have the best money can buy. Not some cheap tin roof barn, built from a kit.

It can not be about the money, as God is not going to run out.

We spend thousands on flowers and keeping the parking lot and yards well groomed. Gold letter, the best of the best. I suppose the pastor could have skimped on all that and pocketed the money, but were not covetous around here and honor God with the best we can buy.

Jesus Is Lord.....

 

[spirit1st]

HIS CHURCH is NOT a building, HIS church is unseen!

Brother, If you think these buildings are his church ,You mis guided!

They are houses where we might get together to Worship HIM together ,Nothing more! They are not holy or eternal!

Not being smart! But ,You might should read this scripture a FEW times!

It will help you to see correctly ,if you want to?

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


We must think in the eternal and get our eyes off the things of this world!

Everything we see ? Will be destroyed 100%

What will Last ,is our love TOWARD EACH OTHER !

Sorry, if it sounds a bit harsh !

But , the TRUTH sets us free ! lies hold us in bondage !

Few even belong to HIS Body ?

`Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

 

[Blademan]

the lord added to the church daily that which can be saved. God, needs to increases Churches and expand there capacity to meet the needs of more people.

Good point you brought up, Mike.

I was listening to Chuck Swindler (Swindlow, or whatever his name is) this mroning on the radio, and he was sermonizing his critique of a book that poo-pooed any and all need for "church" buildings. Although I disagree with the extremes to which that book went, I have a problem with some elements of his critique.

What was key to his rhetoric was that he constantly referred to organized religion and its buildings as THE Church. It's his contention that the buildings and the people who are on the membership rolls of those organizations with buildings are THE Church. Talk about obfuscation. It was his contention that an organization with a building is the ONLY legitimate, local expression of the Church. Interestingly, he never made mention of the fact that anyone, whether saved or unsaved can enter those buildings and become a member of what he calls THE Church.

Well, the word of God is clear as to the REAL Church, THE Church, and it nowhere defines THE Church as being a building and the people therein on the membership rolls.

THE Church consists ONLY of those who are truly saved, which has nothing to do with a membership list in a computer database of some religious institution with a building(s) topped with spires pointing paganically at the sky.

Chucky baby painted a very colorfully emotional picture of institutionalism, defending it admirably with many references to scripture, verses that had nothing whatsoever to do with institutionalism, but he made his points nonetheless, with not one voice allowed to offer any critical thought to his misapplication of God's word.

It's almost as if the antiquity of institutionalized Christianity, with all its buildings, somehow lends greater credibility to institutionalism being more of an organism than an organization. The body of Christ is a living, breathing entity with a life eminating from Christ Jesus alone as its Head, and that Headship is absent of any metion of buildings or organizational structures. Thus, that body is not at all defined by a building, or a collection of buildings.

For example, the Vatican is a pile of dead stones, filled with dead men's bones languishing in plush luxury, with an ancient phalic symbol in its front yard, proudly on display as a relic of paganism at its worst from days gone by. Does any of that glorify the Lord, or provide food for starving children? Well, they too, long ago, justified it all as being in the name of their lord.

So-called Protestants, not wanting to be outdone, decided to continue the practice, justifying it all with the idea that it's ok to errect over-priced, but visually appealing structures and architecture, that reflect the complexity and depths of God and our devotion to Him, all the while turning a blind eye to a needy world. After all, the world will always be there, and the poor will always be in it, right?

So, we justify it all by fatalistically asking ourselves and each other why we should deny ourselves the luxuries of our own primary giving since we can't possibly eleviate all the hunger and suffering in our communities, much less the world. We need to get down to the business of errecting monuments within which the Lord never dwells, while neglecting the many temples of the Holy Spirit that go about in want.

If I am doing something for God, then I feel that God should only have the best money can buy. Not some cheap tin roof barn, built from a kit.

Yes, thank you for bringing that to mind as well.

We can justify almost anything on the basis of our feelings, can't we? So long as it's "in the name of the Lord," we can almost always justify lavishing the primary portion of our giving right back upon ourselves, and upon each other, stating, of course, that "it's all to the glory of God."

That certainly applies a copious amount of salve on our conscience so that we don't feel the prodding of that same conscience asking, "Is this really what serving the Lord is all about, or does this serve mankind and his wants?"

We spend thousands on flowers and keeping the parking lot and yards well groomed. Gold letter, the best of the best. I suppose the pastor could have skimped on all that and pocketed the money, but were not covetous around here and honor God with the best we can buy.

Talk about them missing the mark...:bored:

 

[Brother Mike]

Well.......

I am not sure what all this is about. What does it matter what the church spends on the building? Like God is going to run out of money for the poor or something. God is not broke people!!!!!

The building itself is just a meeting place, and is not the real church or body of Christ. However, I use the term "going to church" as I am going to a specific place to meet other believers.

So-called Protestants, not wanting to be outdone, decided to continue the practice, justifying it all with the idea that it's ok to errect over-priced, but visually appealing structures and architecture, that reflect the complexity and depths of God and our devotion to Him, all the while turning a blind eye to a needy world.

So who decides what is to expensive? Are the churches not suppose to own property and sell off all their land to give to the poor. Should my pastor sell his Rolex and give that money to the poor. Should we not have nice flowers and just let the weeds grow, giving that money to the poor?

Who decides? what is to much for a child of God?
I really don't want to type this, and am probably wrong if I do, but here goes.

I will gladly put our church against any other church when it comes to giving and supplying the poor. We give over 70,000 a week in free teaching material, postage paid. We supply shop with a cop, keep the salvation army's shelter stocked with food, We give tons of money to C.A.M.S which feed the hungry, and I mean a lot of money, it's even a Catholic organization and we are Word of Faith. I will be glad to compare amounts here. We bought a boat to preach the gospel in the south pacific to those that never have heard he word of God, another 800,000 dollars to another ministry. We support several churches and help them get started.

This sounds like a bunch of poverty thinking to me. MOST churches would not even consider giving a million dollars to another ministry, Most churches, would gasp, if they had to take a whole offer and give it to another ministry. I know, I have been involved with lots of churches.

I suppose we should just preach from a small one room shack on a hill, and God forbid if someone has a better looking shack than me. I guess I might have to add a chair or two, just to out do them. No, I am more humble than that. I'll tear it down and give fire wood to the poor.

Who has the right to say to much is to much. Let's go to Microsoft and demand they sell everything and give it to the poor. Oh, that's not a church building, we can't do that. God's people are not suppose to have the best. Only corporations can have jets for ungodly endeavors. I guess my Pastor will have to sell his Jet airplane. People come to well to do Pastors and tell them that they should sell their airplane or nice car and use that money for the poor. What a bunch of hypocrites!!! Sell, your car first, then WALK over to the pastor and tell him how wasteful he has been and sell his car. You can both ride your bicycles to church, until someone tells you that your bicycle is just way to nice, and then sell that also.

I know my boasting is not good, God has blessed us and all the credit goes to him. But to think that a church should not have the best, is the same thing Judas told Jesus when that perfume was being poured on his feet. That should have been sold and given to the poor. Like, Jesus was not worth it.... We don't want to sound like Judas do we?

God Bless..............
Jesus Is Lord!!!