I have run across a board that appeared to be Christian, and might well be. Some of the reading is quite interesting, but for some reason... I feel that there is something not quite right. There is a slight flavor of cultism there... (I might be wrong)
So, if you don't mind, what can someone or anyone tell me about the Berean Church and mid-Acts dispensation ?? This is what they say they are....I am about to walk away because of this "gut" feeling.. which I am interpreting as the Holy Spirit speaking to me.
Another thing... although I properly sign in, and it shows that I am signed in, I still cannot post... (Another sign that perhaps I should not be there)
I have chosen to stop visiting the board because of this feeling.. and I do feel that it is the Holy Spirit ... but am curious as to what those two terms are.. I googled, but am totally in the dark.. (I'm old and sometimes have a problem grasping things.)
Being a new Christian is not so easy folks,,, but I will not take my eyes off the Lord.
Thanks for anything you may be able to "splain" to me.
I am now off to church,
xoxo
LL
Hello sister! greetings to you in Christ. It is true it is not easy being a new believer but it sure is exciting! New believers have something that alot of old believers need while the older believers have something the babes are growing into. The new are so beautifully zealous and filled with willingness for truth no matter what it means, some older believers need this again so they can throw all caution to God and pick up full truth with love again but the older have wisdom that has been tempered through many trials of love with our Lord.
I decided to write back to you on this because mid acts dispie is one of the worst hereises I have ever seen amoung believers and one of the most harmful to a believers life with the Lord and their ability to love and see truth. I do not think that many " christian" heresies are as dangerous as this one is ( although we know all lies are from the evil one) this is one of those lies that is so all consumming that it confuses all area of doctorine and makes it a web that is very hard to escape from once a person is decieved in it ( although God delivers from all lies to those who love Him)
I will give you some of the things they believe and why those things are so harmful to believers.
Firstly they believe that the only scriptures that speak to us as christians are from acts 28- pauls writtings. This means they believe that the old test., the gospels, the beginning of acts, the books of peter, john, james, jude, and rev after chapter 4 are all not for us as christians. The harm here is that it stripes us of the majority of the word of God, and in all cases they want to interpret paul without the rest of scripture without the rest of scripture to help our understanding.
Secondly they believe that the jews including Jesus and the 12 aposltes have a DIFFERNT gospel then Paul and under paul us. So they believe their are TWO gospels and that while we lisen to paul ( and not the Lord or the other aposltes) the jews had to listen to a differnt gospel which requires them to still be under the law instead of free in Christ. The big problems here are that we are told by paul and Jesus that there is no salvation but in His sacrifice by faith through grace. We are told that God used Jesus to tare down the wall the divided the jews and gentiles ( the law) and that in Christ He has made us all one new man in Christ. He has made us ONE body and there is ONE gospel and we are all made ONE by the same Spirit.Further Paul teaches that gentile believers are grafted into israel and those jews who did not believe were cut off of israel so that true israel is now the " israel of God" which is made of all believers jew and gentile. Everytime a jew or gentile comes to faith they are grafted on or back on to israel and that just because a jew is a physical jew does not mean he is actually " of israel" but that it must be by faith so that paul says that this israel of God, made of believers is called " all israel". Paul also said that we in CHrist are no longer seperated from the commonwealth of israel, the promises, the covenants and the word of God.Paul also said anyone with a differnet gospel then that which He preached was accursed- by their standards they would have to say the other aposltes and the Lord were cursed if they were to take their doctorine to the fullness.
2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Rom 4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Eph 2:11 ¶ Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:14 ¶ For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us]; Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father Eph 2:19 ¶ Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit
Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Gal 6:16 ¶ And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Third, they say that the only thing that the church can get from God is salvation from hell. They say that all other work of the cross and all other promises are NOT for us at all but only for the jews and the physical nation of israel. This means that they say that as beleivers, we cannot trust God to protect us, deliver us, heal us, provide for us, help us etc.. The problems here are that Christ accomplished a finished work on the cross which not only was salvation from hell but also stripes to heal us and to carry our sorrows and burden and we have recieved promises in the word of God that declare that we are to trust God to provide and protect and deliver and heal etc.. but their doctorine stripes believers of all areas of promises to us which are the areas in which we walk in DAILY faith towards God in all things. Peter said that it is by the promises of God that we partake of the divine nature and this is part of how we are made into Christs image! The last time I spoke to a mid acts dispie ( about 3 weeks ago) she told me that God has never healed me because He does not do that for the church. That nothing that has ever seemed to be as such was from God. I am thankful to Him that I know her words to be lies because God has healed my family and I and other believers I know since the time I was saved and I have seen way too many miracles and provisions etc from our Lord to believe that but my Spirit is so saddened for her and these people that they cannot walk in faith in God and lean on Him for all things because of these lies.
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust
2Cr 1:20 For all the promises of God in him [are] yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
2Cr 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Isa 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Fourthly when you hear them speak their is a great venom( noticably) for the 12 aposltes and all scripture related to them, they go on and on about how the aposltes did not love the blood of Christ and how they had no grace and they speak of peters weakness to not want the Lord crucified in his not understanding as being because peter hated the gospel of paul and the blood of christ that would come and none of this is true. Anyone who disagrees with them they just slash down in rudeness tellingyou that you cannot " rightly divide the word".
There are many other problems with their doctorine, in fact I have not seen one correct doctorine yet fromthem because this web is so all consuming that it casts off all true understanding but to get much deeper may not be helpful. I will put some of the scriptures for what I have said so you can see them if you do not yet know them clearly.
I hope this all helps, if you have any questions on this ask away. God bless sister and uphold you in all truth!
