could Jerusalem be the harlot?

[johnny botwrigh]

Could Jerusalem be the harlot, and the ten heads of the beast, be ten Arab nations?
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would this fit into our knowledge and interpretation of the scriptures, ie Daniel and revelations.

with the present situation with Iran, also being backed by china, the kings of the east, who slay a third of men.
also when Jesus returns Jerusalem, is a captured city, by the surrounding nations.
The armies of the anti christ

When Jesus returns , these armies are driven back.

there is also, for those who have not read it, under the topic would you be micro chipped, there is a reply from trace. with a link, to a pdf file. On the first page.
a totally new theory concerning the mark of the beast.
Go to prophecytalk.com end time discussions

which is interesting. concerning the original translation into hebrew and greek, about what john had recorded, he may not have written 666 , but an arabic phrase. a new revelation, comparing the original text, with hebrew greek and arabic writting.

its an interesting read, and worth a look,

The more i read Gospels, old testament, revelations, the great city, like no other city, home now to three faiths, 35 miles from the coast, sitting on many waters, a multitude, dispersed among the nations.

the city that stoned the prophets, killed the saints, the city where Jesus forfilled the scriptures, and his journey was always heading to. The spiritual rulers in Jerusalem in league with the rulers of Rome.
The first few chapters of Jeremiah, speaks about Israelis harlotries, and the condition may be similar today, also two other religions in Jerusalem, one anti Christ, and one apostate church. The city that in the end times is surrounded by armies, before her desolation, prior to the return of Jesus.

Every thing points to JERUSALEM.

The abomination of desolation ISLAM. Arabs from every nation being united by one man, osama bin laden, and one aim. Jihad.

The Jerusalem after the return of Jesus, becomes the faithful city.

 

[Stephen1]

JB,

All cities of the nations comprize MBG .... the world of lost humanity, past, present, and future at the time of the end of this present age

But, there are two different defined "great cities" in Revelation, the great center of the gentile world [Revelation 8:8 (burning mountain, kingdom); 14:8; 17:16-18; 18:1-21] .... and the great city of Israel [Revelation 11:8]

The great city part of the gentile world [not the Islamic Middle East] will be burned by the beast and the 10 kings of the Middle East [cener of the Islamic world] at the very beginning of the coming tribulation period ..... never to rise again

The Lord will even revisit the land mass where this great civilization once stood and break it into thirds during the battle of Armageddon [this battle will be centered in the Middle East] [Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]

If we are close to the time of the end this great center [city] of trade, financial wealth, and commerce of the gentile world outside of the Middle East is most likely the USA .... the description of Revelation 18 is not one of Jerusalem

But Jerusalem will remain during the tribulaton period even though damaged by the invasion and occupation of the beast and his confederacy [the gentiles of the Middle East] .... and continue to remain as the Lord's city during His coming millennial kingdom on the earth [Micah 4; Zechariah 14]

The little horn [beast] and the 10 other kings [horns] of his confereracy will rise out of the Middle East [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7; Micah 5:5-6]

 

[Darian]

The Harlot

The seven heads of the beast on which the ***** sits are (KJV) seven mountains, which in the King James Version means seven nations. Those seven control the whole world's economy. "The waters which thou sawest, where the ***** sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." Babylon the Great is the world's economic system which does not recognized God.

 

[johnny botwrigh]

the harlot

There are now many Islamic nations, muslum countrys, some also in Asia, we could say the most radical Islamic nations could include, also rev 16.12 the Euphrates being dried up to make way for the kings of the east.
Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakastan, Afghananistan, Yemin, Egypt, Somalia, lebanon, jordon, oman.
then there is northern Africa, China backing Iran, Russia, from the north.
both china and Russia, arming and providing technical support.
china, iran, oil. then there is osama bin laden, his group calling for Jihad, many muslums from all these nations, rising to this call , being unified, united .
who hate the Harlot. one aim to make her desolate, naked and to burn her with fire,
The illuminati,Rothchilds. and other secret societys, in the illuminati pyramid, free masons, bilderberg, skull and bones,The Thule Gesellschaft, the Vril, the priesthood of Amen, lucifers web,the priesthood, the power elite, the elite, the shadow goverment, the consiraters, the global elite, the brother hood, the hidden hand, the powers that be. controling fianace, oil, the military, goverments, presidents.
The illuminati, there is a large zion group, very wealthy Jews, who like the rest, profess lucifer as their god.
the wealth of the jews, compare the size of Isreal, to the mulitude, of Arab nations, both started from Abraham, millions of jews and their wealth an influence, are among the world US, UK, Europe ,
Paul was sent forth to kill christains, what influence the illuminati had in other christain persecutions behind the scences, ie the inquisitions,the black pope, leader of the jusuits, who controls the vatican. the death of prophets Apostles would be avenged. the illuminati are also linked with the vatican, which has its own masons lodge, as there are also other powerful lodges in italy.
So the jewish wealth and power, behind the scences over the centurys has wielded its power and influence, to this present day.
I have been reading the first several chapters of Jeremiah, speaking of the wealth, idolatary, harlotries, could jerusalem, Tel Aviv, be the mother of harlots,? God tells his people to come out of her. the mother of harlots. God would bring destruction, but not a complete end, Jeremaih.
the uncircumsized heart, forsaken the Lord, wickeness, evil oppression.you name it ive only got to chapter 7 of Jeremiah, every abomnation, is there. as was then, as also now.
Jerusalem is the centre of the earth,and how much power, the israelie goverment has, with so many jews in postions of power around the world, in goverments. and fianacial power.
in and out side the illuminati. who see them selves as high priests, kings, the ruling elite. of the pyramid. put all this into the equation. you have your harlot? jerusalem, Tel Aviv. johnny

 

[spirit1st]

I do not believe Israel is the harlot

God tells us too pray for Israels peace!

Jesus is going too rule out of Israel for 1000 years !


Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Jerusalem is a key place alright , satan been trying to destroy it and or take over it !
Israel is the main nation on earth!

 

[johnny botwrigh]

the Queen of the middle east, the great city.

I think Jerusalem could be the mother of harlots, firstly im not talking about the last 60 years.
men have fought over Jerusalem, for centurys.
She does sit like a Queen in the middle east. the jewel of the crown.
and i saw the women drunk on the blood of the saints,and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.
the waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are people and mulitudes and notions and tongues.
the Jews are living in most nations, USA UK, Europe, South Africa ect
and the ten horns and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
the women who you saw, is the Great city.
Babylon, the strong city, in one hour your judgement has come.
Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and Apostles and prophets, because God has pronouced judgement for you agaisnt her.
and in her was found the blood of the prophets and saints and all who have been slain on earth.
In the first 7 chapters of Jeremiah, speaks alot about Israels heart, Jerusalem, coming judgement and why.
Jerusalem will become the faithful city after she has been purged, and when Jesus returns.
i am not saying this is written in stone, im speculating, a debate, discussion ect, so lets not be unkind in our words to one another, people are entitled to their points of view, some teach the harlot is the USA, NEW YORK, SOME THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, ROME THE VATICAN.
God bless johnny

 

[spirit1st]

I tend to think its Rome?

 

[Stephen1]

To the posters on this thread:

I would suggest to be cautious about what you follow that contains anti-Semitic positioning .... this stuff is satanic

The Lord is very clear about Israel and Jerusalem during the coming tribulation period and beyond

[Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 36; 38: 39; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5]

Extra-biblical theories like current day "conspiracy" ranting is infested with satanic hatred for Israel and the Lord

Do not fall for it and become entangled .... you do not want to be found standing against His intents

Stick to the scriptures and learn them so that you are not deceived

 

[spirit1st]

i am not nor will i ever be against Israel

 

[johnny botwrigh]

do not deny scripture either.

do not deny scripture either.

nothing i have written is anti Israel, when Jesus returns is not Jerusalem a captured city.
has not judgement come agaisnt Isreal or Jerusalem been purged in the past.
as i said ive been taken a fresh look at Jeremiah , God through out the scriptures, spoke alot about his people departing from him, and thats putting lightly,about what God had to say. was God being anti jewish.?

when the two wittnesses are killed, by the beast from the pit.

And thier dead bodies will lie in the street of THE GREAT CITY.?
MYSTICALY IS CALLED SODOM AND EGYPT, WHERE ALSO THEIR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED. rev 11 vrs .8

Ezekiel 16 fallen Jerusalem, when it was a city of pagan canaanite Jebusites.

Ezekiel 8 when Israel fell away, Ezekiel 9 relates to endtimes.

Isaiah 54 is about Jerusalems widow hood and harlot marrage.

satan declares he will sit between the sea, the place where God has choosen to dwell for ever, and is allowed to, prior to Jesus returning
dan 11 Ezeckiel 28.2

matt 23 Jesus declared Jerusalem the city that killed the prophets.
scribes and pharisees as children who were partakers in the blood of the prophets,

mathew 23.35 all the rightouess blood shed on the earth

was Jesus being anti Israel, satanic.

the rothchilds, head of the illuminati, who profess satan, lucifer as their god, funded the suprem court in Israel.

no Jerusalem will be purged, as will Israel, and some will be saved.
and Jerusalem, will be restored, to glory.

 

[Stephen1]

JB,

Only the Lord can judge Israel

The current conspiracy buffs have a much different slant and there is no scriptural support for their stories .... what they tell is coming from satan

Its really no different that what the muslims are shouting today .... just a different twist .... the devil works both sides of the street

Following them is very distracting and can lead you away from studying your Bible with the guidance of His Holy Spirit

 

[Stephen1]

Spirit1st,

You are on the correct biblical track ..... stay there

The Lord has said; "I will bless them that bless Israel .... and I will curse them who curse Israel"

He means it

 

[johnny botwrigh]

is God a liar?

you still deny about what is to come concerning Israel, and Jerusalem. judgement.

takin captive by the anti christ, until Jesus returns,

you talk of deception,

how about the blind following the blind.

The Lord said to Abraham i will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you.
The Lord was speaking to Abraham, when he sent Abraham forth, from his country
Genesis 12
so you include Abrahams decendants, Abraham had two sons, who became two nations,
The Lord also said in you all the familys of the earth shall be blessed.
Abraham the father of nations, so does this apply, across the board.

Since the Lord spoke this to Abraham, you include his desendants, Did Israel remain blessed to this present day.? Gods anger never burned towards Israel, God never entered into Judgement with Israel, during the old testement.
Did Jesus make any coments like tearing the temple down in three days, people would no longer worship in Jerusalem. what was Israels would be given to the gentiles,
has since this was spoken to Abraham, since that time has Israel only found favour in the Lords eyes.
Isaiah 1.21 how is the faithfull city become a harlot, it was full of judgement; rightousness lodged in it, but now murderes

MT 10;15 verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodam and Gomorrha in the day of judgement, than for that city.

intrestingly may have relevence. the writting on the wall. Babylon

MENE MENE was mentioned twice.
God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end.
if Jerusalem is Babylon.
The second MENE could be referring to the capture of Jerusalem by the anti christ who reins there, until Jesus returns in great power and glory.
johnny.

 

[Stephen1]

JB,

Jerusalem is not the great city part of MBG described in Revelation 18 by any stretch of the imagination

Jerusalem's burning would not cause worldwide economic collapse .... and it is specifically stated that this great city of the gentiles described in Revelation 18 will never rise again after her burning .... not true for Jerusalem

You also need to understand that MBG is the entire unbelieving world .... past, present, and at the time of the coming tribulation period .... the great city of Revelation 18 is just part of MBG's make up .... the center of world commerce .... this Jerusalem is not and never has been

The unbelieving world of human intransigence [the "woman"] is noted as being responsible for all who have ever been slain on the earth in one way or another .... Jerusalem can only be partly responsible .... the lost condition of humanity is the cause .... humans cannot rule themselves without the Lord's providence

It is true that Jerusalem [Israel] has gone the way of the world, but this is going to change during the tribulation period and a believing remnant part of the nation is going to turn to their Messiah and King Jesus Christ

He is against all other nations and will seek to destroy them .... in fact it is the Lord who will draw the beast and the 10 other Middle Eastern kings to destroy the great city of the gentiles .... these will not destroy their own base of operations with the inclusion of Jerusalem as part of their holdings .... the great city of Revelation 18 will not be located in the Middle East

Keep in mind that He is an Israelite by His humanity and Israel is His nation .... He is going to restore the kingdom to Israel and rule the earth from Jerusalem for 1,000 years

You are listening to the current conspiracy buffs who are racially biased with political agendas like Alex Jones, and many others .... these gas bags of folly are prevalent today and they may front as professing christians, but they are not .... they sing the same satanic ruse as the muslims

All of their ranting is proprietary and self serving .... and the scriptures do not support their stories

The "conspiracy" against the Lord at the time of the end in scripture is described in Psalms 83 and Ezekiel 38, 39 .... these scriptures do not describe a conspiracy of intransigent "Jews" .... "Zionists", etc. like the conspiracy buffs say

The biblical conspiracy is the muslim world against Israel and the Lord; and this truth is clearly stated

The "Jew" hating conspiracy buffs play the same card as the muslims only under the guise of false christianity

Satan has contrived just the opposite setting and the are many who have been deceived into his trappings .... do not follow them

 

[johnny botwrigh]

not listing to any one as you say.

regarding is Jerusalem the harlot, i have not listened to anyone.
its all there in the scriptures, concerning this subject and what i have put forward.
so do not try and dismiss it as conspiracy buffs and satan muslims ect.

Jerusalem has sat as Queen of the midle east, men have fought over her for centurys, has always been a great place of trade.
down through the ages.

where is it written that the harlot is a gentile city?
what city if burnt could bring about financial collapse, there is not one.
where does it even mention financial collapse?
all those who have made riches from Jerusalem will mourn, at her burning.

what city do we see surrounded by the abomination that causes desolation, Jerusalem.
which city is made desolate Jerusalem, which city is captured by the anti christ, Jerusalem.
Mathew 24 Luke 21.10 - 24 falling by the sword, takin captive, Jerusalem trappled under foot a great distress upon this land and wrath on these people.
and a great tribulation such as not occured since the beginning of the world.

in Jeremaiah the Lord says he will bring an end , but not a complete end, the Jerusalem the Harlot will not rise again.

Jerusalem unlike any other harlot, who receives payment
Jerusalem pays her lovers.

the Lord will restore her, after he has judged her. purged her.

mt 23. 29 -36 all the righteteous blood shed on the earth.
accept what Jesus says in there in the scriptures.

so do not keep dismissing it as hum drum because its the word of the Lord.
and yes Jesus will return and restore JERUSALEM to glory,
before this though the anti christ will reign there, until Jesus returns in great power and glory.
restoring Jerusalem, to the faithful city.
then later, there is also the new Jerusalem coming down from heaven.
johnny

 

[Stephen1]

"so do not keep dismissing it as hum drum because its the word of the Lord.
and yes Jesus will return and restore JERUSALEM to glory,
before this though the anti christ will rein there, until Jesus returns in great power and glory.then there is the new Jerusalem coming down from heaven.
johnny"

>Notice that conspiracy theorists only tell half of the story

>And I dismiss nothing as you say I do .... I understand completely what the Lord intends for Israel and Jerusalem just as the scriptures tell

>But before the "new Jerusalem" [Revelation 21] .... the Lord's millennial reign on this present earth will come first .... He will rule from Jerusalem .... not the great city of the gentiles presented in Revelation 18

>You need to study the scriptures and stop listening to the conspiracy buffs .... their ambitions are very different

 

[spirit1st]

I think most who profess JESUS CHRIST as LORD , mean well! they just night have some misunderstandings
And that is why so many are on this site and many other sites! Most seeking more truth and understanding!

That is why we can share what we feel is correct !
We must be careful Not to beat others down for not having perfect understanding!
Bless All here who are seeking truth and want to love each others and lift up out LORD and Creator JESUS CHRIST!

 

[Stephen1]

2Timothy
2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[johnny botwrigh]

peace peace, but then comes destruction

professing them selves to be wise.

the true fate of Israel, Jerusalem the harlot. many saying those who bless you will be blessed, peace peace.
but then comes destruction.
If we sound the alarm and people do not heed the warning, their blood is not on our hands,
If we warn Israel and they do not listen, as they also do not listen to the Lord.
As a watchman their blood is not on our hands.

i do not see a Gentile city in revelations 18 i see the Strong city

Jerusalem, the harlot
i see Gods Judgement agaisnt her, rejoice over her, O heaven , and you saints and apostles and prophets, because God has pronouced
judgement for you agaisnt her. Revelations 18.20

and in her was found the blood of the prophets and of the saints and all who have been slain on earth. revelations 18. 24

mathew 23.29-36
JESUS SAID;
that apon you may come all the righteous blood shed apon the Earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias
son of Barachi as whom you slew between the temple and the alter.
verily i say unt you, All these things will come upon this generation.

O Jerusalem Jerusalem , who kills the prophets and stones those who were sent to you

The abomination that causes desolation surrounding Jerusalem.
for then there will be such a tribulation, such has not occured since the beginning of the world, nor ever shall be.

they will fall on the edge of the sword, and will be led captive. and
Jerusalem will be trampled under foot.

The anti christ will be in Israel and reign from Jerusalem,
until Jesus returns in great power and glory.
restoring Jerusalem, reigning for a thousand years.
the false prophet and the beast are cast into the pit.
satan is bound. then loosened to make war again.

then a new heaven and a new earth, the new Jerusalem.

no conspiracy theory johnny.

 

[Stephen1]

Much of what you post above is true from the scriptures ... but the very conspiracy promoters that you draw from would not agree with you .... their agenda is very different ... they do not offer any reconstitution of national Israel as the Bible presents, but are very anti-Semitic and openly racially biased against the nation .... so is Satan

Do you know why?

There are even christian cult like movements that do the same and I will give you an example .... Arnold Murray's [Shepard's Chapel] false teaching .... the only difference in this man's anti-semitic ranting and the conspiracy theorists is that his is cloaked in a pseudo-christian fronting

Islam is another brand of satan's ploy and in fact the most anti-christ of all .... and the direct offset against Israel .... this should be obvious to anyone who observes the Middle East today

So you see it is satan who has his wreched hand is all of these .... do not let him deceive you .... his game is to distract, draw off, and destroy the human in any way that he can