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what's the difference between rapture and the second coming??
what's the difference between rapture and the second coming??
From reading Matt 24 they are same.
We don't really have a term for a "Second Coming" In the Bible.
If you believe God keeps his Word... and we escape the Tribulation, then Jesus will Come for the Church before Tribulation.
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Right before the Flood hits, we are taken... (Rapture- Latin Word for taken suddenly from the Greek Harpazo which means to Snatch.)
Everything is quite... peaceful..... then Bam!!! destruction..... Tribulation like the earth has never seen before... We are taken and some are left.. to face the destruction..
Jesus gave a set of instructions to the Jews that keep the Sabbath to flee in the mountains, and wait it out until the End of Tribulation....
Jesus Instruction to the Jews
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
1) Watch for the temple being built
2) Flee!!! A great tribulation is about to start!!! run for your lives and hope it's not on a Sabbath day breaking your traditions.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
After the Seventh Angelic Trumpet blast which ends the Tribulation, the sun goes dark, and the moon not give light Jesus comes Immediately...... with the Angels to reap the Earth.
Jesus Instruction to the Church. (Those that call him Lord)
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
There will be no Warning when the Lord comes for us, just like in the days of Noah... After we are taken to be with him, then Sudden destruction comes.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
All this is a little too complex for some, so they just lump everything together... The resurrection(s), When Jesus comes and put it at the end of the Tribulation.... They also miss the marriage supper we will be enjoying, but Hey... We can save them some when they finally do arrive.. right??
Jesus Is Lord.
what's the difference between rapture and the second coming??
Yes.From reading Matt 24 they are same.
i find it odd people dont see mat 24 Jesus as the rapture. Its not like Jesus comes here everyday "in the clouds".
and it also says He sends angels to gather His elect.
Maybe some confusion of terminology here. No one is saying that Jesus does NOT come back on the clouds and gather the elect. "Rapture" refers to the unsound teaching of the secret rapture like in the Left Behind movie where people disappear from airplanes etc and nobody else sees this 'secret' return that is NOT the second coming.
In Mat 24, the disciples ask Jesus "what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
And at the end he says, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
What's the difference between rapture and the second coming??
We need to believe what the Bible says and not man made speculation.
The Rapture idea doesn't make any sense if the dead in Christ (already buried) rise first and then we the Saints (believers) that are alive are transformed into spiritual bodies and together we all meet the Lord in the air.
I can't help smile at this because man made speculation is exactly what you're using, and many times I find myself doing that same thing when you say "The Rapture idea doesn't make any sense."
We do not go by sight, but by faith. To be caught up to God's throne does not have to be fully understood and we may never agree on its timing, but believed. The problem we should have if any is making sure we are ready by allowing God to make us into what He wants us to be, and that is to be conformed into the image of His son. Even at this present time God is fulfilling the righteousness of the law in us (Not by us) who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Romans 8:4)
You speak of the dead in Christ rising first, and that is true but then you make the comment concerning those that are alive as being saints. Do you realize that those that die in Christ are also saints? As the elect whether alive or dead we will be changed and those who go before us only receive their bodies from the grave; to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Even the Old Testament saints of paradise are in heaven now though their bodies remain in the grave. (Luke 23:43)(2 Corinthians 12:4).
My thoughts.
that are alive are transformed into spiritual bodies and together we all meet the Lord in the air.
If we all are now spiritual and immortal we don't have to be protected or rescued from anything that the physical world or realm might inflict on us.
The main theme of Revelation is the coming Kingdom of God to be set up on this earth and the destruction of evil, Rev-Chapters 21, 22
what's the difference between rapture and the second coming??
Judgenot:
Wait a minute. You said in the Hell for non believers thread that there is no Eternal Hell, if there is no eternal Hell, then you can't possibly believe in any spiritual body, or immortality. I can Highlight some thing you posted about that.
Brother Mike,
We, those that are saved, the elect, put on immortality at the time of the 1st resurrection as the Bible says-it's not inherent.
In reference to eternal hell the claim is that destruction of the unsaved is executed rather than eternal suffering.will God give the unsaved and wicked the gift of eternal life to facilitate their everlasting punishment in a hell fire?
don't think so
jn