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Your motivation for believing in Christ determines whether you are truly saved

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Something was brought to my mind when I was discussing the issue of sexual purity and I am going to be blunt about what I know. You may not like it, but you can judge for yourselves whether I speak the truth or lies.

Why did people like Judas Iscariot and Simon Magus start out as Christ's followers but later on they depart from the faith and betray Jesus? It's because their motivation for believing in Christ was wrong from the start.

Judas Iscariot was an apostle, but he was also a thief. He stole from the church's moneybag to feed his own greed. His motivation for believing in Christ was to make himself rich and prominent. This selfishness finally drove him to betray Jesus because Jesus did not become the king he wanted Him to be - so he lost his hope to become a prominent leader and Satan motivated him to betray Jesus instead. His selfish motivation for his faith eventually turned him away from God and into Satan's hands - his end was terrible and he was not saved even though he once walked as an apostle of Christ.

Simon Magus was a magician, he heard the Gospel from Philip and then converted to Christianity. For a while he even travelled with Philip so at least his conversion was genuine. But church history says that he eventually betrayed the faith and became a heretic. Why? The problem again lies in his motivation for becoming a Christian. This is recorded in the Book of Acts (Acts 8). In that account, Simon Magus saw the power of the Holy Spirit demonstrated by the apostles' laying on of hands, and he tried to offer money to obtain that power. His motivation was to make himself powerful and also to escape the consequences of his sins - all about himself.

This is what apostle Peter said to Simon: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.” (Acts 8:20-23 NIV)

But what is worth noticing is how Simon responded: “Pray to the Lord for me so that nothing you have said may happen to me.” (Acts 8:24 NIV)

Simon Magus was ALL ABOUT ESCAPING CONSEQUENCES for his sins. This motivation to escape consequences comes from a selfish heart, not a repentant heart. Peter told him straight to his face that his selfish heart is NOT RIGHT BEFORE GOD.

Read the Gospel carefully, you will realise neither Jesus nor His apostles preached a gospel to encourage people to seek escape from consequences. It was a gospel to encourage people to seek escape from corruption, to be freed from sin, not freedom from hell. It was a gospel to motivate people to seek godliness and reject evil, not seek freedom from punishment.

Acts 2:40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” - Peter's message is so clear, it was never about escaping punishment and consequences.

That is why a person who is in the faith for the sake of escaping eternal damnation cannot have truly repented. Simon Magus had this mindset seeing how he wanted nothing bad to happen to him even though he was wicked, and so was every false convert. They just want to escape consequences for their sins, but they don't want to escape corruption. They want to wallow in sin, give excuses for their wrongdoings but then still be allowed to avoid the lake of fire. How can these people be saved? They aren't.
 
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They just want to escape consequences for their sins
I agree with you in a way, but cant help to bring up Proverbs 1:7 which to me kind of conflict with what you are saying, the fear of what God can do to us if we are no obedient may be just the fear some people need to stay away from sin, and start a relationship with Jesus, but as you are pointing out it may not lead to a changed heart, but sometimes it does

That is why a person who is in the faith for the sake of escaping eternal damnation cannot have truly repented.
I do see this as common among many, I believe there is some truth to it, yet it may also be the stepping stone for some to have a relationship with God, I know for me it was, I was scared to death to go to hell, so that is why I seeked having a relationship with Jesus and then he changed my heart, and now I am no longer the same person who loved to sin, but hate sin , but it all started out of fear of what God could do to me. Matthew 10:28

On the other hand I know plenty of people who stay at that stage and the only reason they believe is for fire insurance, they do not appear to have a changed heart, yet as long as they are living and breathing there is hope for them to be changed.
 
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I agree with you in a way, but cant help to bring up Proverbs 1:7 which to me kind of conflict with what you are saying, the fear of what God can do to us if we are no obedient may be just the fear some people need to stay away from sin, and start a relationship with Jesus, but as you are pointing out it may not lead to a changed heart, but sometimes it does
Then there is another verse which will conflict with the idea of fear being a motivator that God uses.

For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline. (2 Timothy 1:7)

Perhaps for non-Christians fear of retribution for evil is what drives them, but God doesn't use fear as a motivation to drive HIS OWN CHILDREN to repent. Peter's message in Acts is about escaping corruption, not about escaping retribution for evil.

On top of that, Christian cults use fear and terror to drive people into blind obedience and the damage it has done is demonic to the core. Why do you think some atheists reject the Gospel? Because all they hear is hell and sin and fear mongering, and they have no understanding as to why they are sinners and why they will go to hell for not believing in Jesus. Jesus' message to the sinners is about giving them the truth about how damaging sin is to each soul, so people are driven to pursue righteousness and be freed from the damaging effects of sin. The fear mongering brand of false gospel preaching turned this message into a message of terror and condemnation, about escaping fire and brimstone. How can this be the truth of God?
 
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I agree with you in a way, but cant help to bring up Proverbs 1:7 which to me kind of conflict with what you are saying, the fear of what God can do to us if we are no obedient may be just the fear some people need to stay away from sin, and start a relationship with Jesus, but as you are pointing out it may not lead to a changed heart, but sometimes it does



I do see this as common among many, I believe there is some truth to it, yet it may also be the stepping stone for some to have a relationship with God, I know for me it was, I was scared to death to go to hell, so that is why I seeked having a relationship with Jesus and then he changed my heart, and now I am no longer the same person who loved to sin, but hate sin , but it all started out of fear of what God could do to me. Matthew 10:28

On the other hand I know plenty of people who stay at that stage and the only reason they believe is for fire insurance, they do not appear to have a changed heart, yet as long as they are living and breathing there is hope for them to be changed.
What truly started a saved soul on the path to faith is first an understanding of the evil of sin, its damaging effects and why we are all sinners. Then a knowledge that God is just and will reward us for what we do, good for good and evil for evil. What truly motivates a saved soul to repent is God's sacrifice of His Son Jesus. How can we wallow in sin when it was sin that killed Jesus, unless we don't love Jesus and cheapen God's sacrifice? None of this has any fear mongering, nor is it about escaping fire and brimstone. A soul that only has escaping fire and brimstone in mind will not be motivated to escape corruption, and when one remains corrupted by sin, there is no hope for salvation no matter what faith is professed or how many prayers are prayed.
 
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On top of that, Christian cults use fear and terror to drive people into blind obedience and the damage it has done is demonic to the core. Why do you think some atheists reject the Gospel? Because all they hear is hell and sin and fear mongering, and they have no understanding as to why they are sinners and why they will go to hell for not believing in Jesus. Jesus' message to the sinners is about giving them the truth about how damaging sin is to each soul, so people are driven to pursue righteousness and be freed from the damaging effects of sin. The fear mongering brand of false gospel preaching turned this message into a message of terror and condemnation, about escaping fire and brimstone. How can this be the truth of God?
Almost all of today's teachings about scripture are false and lies.

How much worse is it, that men will kill one another in war, and other men will kill one another in the spirit?

How about today's pastors, the ones who do it for the money and uphold none of the real teachings or principles, and pursue their own lusts, who go out with power given from on high, power given of the devil, and will empty others out (hallow them) with the word of god and fill them with confusion?
 
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I've been praying this evening about getting re-baptized tomorrow. I thought I was serious with Christ but my walk says otherwise, likewise when Simon was called to repent, did he not actually have salvation, did he need to be baptized, like for me, again?
 
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a Example: of a "Apostate" never was really completely converted or never was a grain but was a weed and tried to act like a grain of wheat.

(Mark 3)
15Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.16Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. [they love this world]. You cannot love this world and Love GOD too! They choose the world over the Love for GOD!
They choose self over GOD! And God leave them to themselves. God is the one who holds your hands, and If you don't want him to hold your hand by obeying HIM, he will not hold your hand! You see, most want to hold their "BoyFriends hand and GOD's too" It ain;t going to happen no matter what you might think! You must hold your Husband hand before He will hold your hand. or Hold GOD'S HAND AND FORGET THE MAN, Unless you are fine with the Gifts of "Satans" they are nice too! He will be nice to YOU AND YOUR Boyfriend"! But you might not be able to get back to GOD before He close the Door. :eyes:

My advice, stay on the path, for He might lock the Door, is that Motivation enough!:eyes: We have Apostates! Some Get bored and they go the other way, and a lot cannot find they way back!

"Whosoever loves this world the love of GOD is Not In them" Your Love for God determines whether you are truly saved! Now, who do you love the most? Who do you long for the most? Who you cannot live without? Who do you think about day in and day out? determines whether you are truly saved. I would think.
 
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I've been praying this evening about getting re-baptized tomorrow. I thought I was serious with Christ but my walk says otherwise, likewise when Simon was called to repent, did he not actually have salvation, did he need to be baptized, like for me, again?
If you feel like getting Baptized again, go ahead, if it makes you feel better, jump in with 2 feet, Work out your own Salvation! and Rejoice!:cool: That soul belongs to you! You don't care what no one thinks!
 
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