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You must be very Careful, and Do Not be Deceived, and lose your Salvation, as so many Believe.

Loyal
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(1 Cor. 6)BSB
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy,nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers,will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
 
Loyal
2Pet 2:19; promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
2Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2Pet 2:21; For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
2Pet 2:22; It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27; but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.

Heb 12:15; See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
 
Loyal
New American Standard Bible
But for the cowardly, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and sexually immoral persons, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Whether that they are little liars, big Liars, old liars, young liars, male liars, or female liars.. They are going to loose their "salvation"! What you thought you had, .even the lies you have forgotten you told, and the lies that many have said and thought they were telling the truth, and those lies are going to condemn many to Hell. "All LIARS" So no one can know if he or she is saved or not, until He or she dies and wake up! And no one, can know if he or she has lost grace or kept it. So let it be know, if you believe in JESUS Christ or been born again (You Might get saved), If You cannot hold on to your "SALVATION" or Lose it.

So for those who believe such things, you better get busy and try to keep yourself. Because if you, lie today, you better not die before you repent., or in the next 1/2 second, or if you are a coward this minute, you better not stumble in the 1/4 of a second. And if you have committed "Adultery" and die in the act, you have lost your "salvation" and you are going to hell. And if you have committed porno acts, and you have been born again which have many labels. Men or females "Romance novels' or "Sports Magazines ", "sexual immorality". And die in the act or had stroke and cannot speak or blink, while you doing the act, you going to HELL!.

For those who can loose their salvation you better walk a tight line. Because you are in danger of losing your soul. For you can die in a second. And you know it is the truth, if you have watch people die like i have. One deacon, we know, die in car crash, and this woman in his church die too, with him and i cannot say what she was doing. And they could not move her body and his at the scene, at that time.
And when her husband got to the scene, I cannot explain his feelings.

So if you believe in the "LORD JESUS Christ you might get saved. Now if you can loose your salvation! Many of us should stop "LYING"! Because we are in danger of Losing our soul and salvation And stop saying, "believe on the "Lord Jesus" and you shall be saved" For that has become a lie!. And change it to "believe on the Lord Jesus and "you might get saved" because you can loose your salvation and fall from grace. 2 things: 1. Loose salvation, 2. fall from "Saving Grace." As many have proclaimed. The is no "Assurance " in your Salvation. Because many have said: you might loose your "Salvation", on your way, So do, the best you can, to "KEEP IT" and retain your soul. And God might give you a open door. If you can keep it.

if we say or state,
King James Bible (Romans 10:9)
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

The correct statement many have proclaimed: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, (You Might Get SAVED)

Now if we state: "thou shall be saved" The we become liars, unto ourselves and maybe rewrote the book, Like the "Textual Criticism" Scholars, of our time., because we have made a "Proclamation" throughout the WHOLE Universe" If you believe on the lORD JESUS "You Might Get SAVED" but just do not fall from, grace or tell "Lies".. and you might make it to heaven once you have been born again. Because you can loose your salvation. For your salvation has not been SEALED by The one who is Above "ALL POWER"..

But there are still a few who believe once you have been saved and redeem, wash in The Blood of The Lamb of GOD and have been "Born of GOD" "Born Of HIS SPIRT" can never loose their "SALVATION" And their "Shared InHeritance" can never be taken away. They believe, Although some may encounter, a "radical fall" and suffer great suffering, and go through such a "Scourging" By the Very hand of GOD>which is more dreadful than His hand of "chastisement". For "Scourging" produce the "fruit of Righteousness" in HIS Child. And in HIS Child alone.

American Standard Version
All chastening seemeth for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it training into peaceable fruit unto them that have been exercised thereby, even the fruit of righteousness.

And not the peace the worlds knows.

New American Standard Bible
Peace I leave you, My peace I give you; not as the world gives, do I give to you. Do not let your hearts be troubled, nor fearful.

We have the many schools of "Textual Criticism", in religion we have "logic" in Religions and we have "Philosophical Thoughts" in religions and we have "Religious Studies" in religions. Then There is another in The "Westernize world" that has stood the test of time. and have not venture. 'The WORD of GOD".
Either we believe it or not. It does not matter how we interpreted it, or translate it, It will remain the same through out eternity. And it will only have "One Meaning" and the meaning will never change even after 10 Millions, years One Faith, One GOD, One WORD. One Meaning.

What a statement
(1 Peter 1)BSB

23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24For,

“All flesh is like grass,
and all its glory like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,

25but the word of the Lord stands forever.f
And this is the word that was proclaimed to you.

You was not "Born" Again" of a "Perishable Seed" But a "Incorruptible" One.
 
Loyal
You was not "Born" Again" of a "Perishable Seed" But a "Incorruptible" One.
True, but some seeds refuse to bear fruit. Some seeds only "start" to bear fruit but never finish.

Luke 8:13; “Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.
Luke 8:14; “The seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to maturity.

Even with Jesus watering and fertilizing some trees, they still refuse to bear any fruit.

Luke 13:6; “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any.
Luke 13:7; “And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’
Luke 13:8; “And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer;
Luke 13:9; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’

Just because you're "in the kingdom of God" is no guarantee you are safe. Jesus will have some people in the kingdom removed.

Matt 13:40; “So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
Matt 13:41; “The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
Matt 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
Loyal
I have no problem with a whole lot of Believers going to hell, Jesus believe that too.
And i do think i covered all of that in my post. I covered all the schools of thoughts in this matter. I even gave their professional schools of Biblical thoughts. and education, in those fields of study.

Jesus said:
American Standard Version
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

And he said:
King James Bible
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

[ not only do devils believe, they obey Jesus down here on earth] When he tells them do something they do it and tremble.} :pensive:

But not once i have heard Jesus or any other text in the Bible that has said that a "Born From Above" Child of GOD" can loose their "Salvation" not one time in the Bible where it states that a "BORN OF GOD" child can loose their salvation. But a lot of believers can.:pensive:

But common sense, makes sense that there are many who are taught in the Ways of GOD all their life and have become learners of GOD and claim to be children of GOD. for biblical colleges and Universities, such as Yale or Harvard like i told many on here, is full of them, and they tell you. they teach minister and layman, Pastors. So there are thousand upon thousand of leaders in the Church. going to church, know more about the Bible than the average "True child of GOD". Now guess, who been teaching the "real Children of GOD" for the last 20 years and they do not even know it and that you are not a child of GOD but you believe that God exist. And this is common, through out the world and always have been. Since the beginning of Acts of the Apostles. why do you think "Paul" was so messed up.

I used to think in this modern day world it was about 10 real Children of GOD among a 100, I was wrong, it is more likely 10 or less among 10,000 people. And the number will not grow until they get left behind, And When the ones who thought they was going BUT got left behind they will start "Street Preaching" it will be a "Street Preacher" on every corner male and female, they are going to be So "Hot" not a "Luke" or Cold drop of water in them.

They are going to be Preaching so hard and fast, that they are going to be talking so fast, they will not have time to stop and "speak in tongues'.
People are going to speaking on the street corners in "sign Language", "wheelchairs", on "Bicycles", "Women pushing Baby Trollers", on "Roller Skates", In Bars, Night Clubs, Red light Districts, and if they lock them up, they are going to be "preaching" in jail, and to the guards.

Because they will know what time it is, when they "miss that Boat":pensive:

And The elder ask John, where did these :pensive:come from? It was a Number where no man could number!
And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

(and many are going to be so glad to get there on that second Boat, they are going to be so happy to be a "door keeper" saying Holy. Holy all eternity Long.)

"Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple:".
 
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Dont forget ,Jesus has given the gift of repentance. What does that mean? Well if you get tempted to go to "Happy Haven" ( a well known brothel here) then next morning are ashamed and turn to Jesus to ask for forgiveness, he will indeed forgive. How many times does Jesus forgive you of your trespasses? 7000 times 7000. You will not lose your salvation. Keep willfully going there every Saturday night, then there is no guarantee you will see paradise. His patience may wear very thin. So I am talking about repentance and forgiveness, not trying to follow the law like the Pharisees. Man has sinful desire, and for some it takes a lifetime to stop. What a merciful and understanding God I have. Now it seems to me, this other god seems to be quite enamored with the law, and demands full repentance. I believe you can find him in certain church buildings?
 
Loyal
Dont forget ,Jesus has given the gift of repentance. What does that mean? Well if you get tempted to go to "Happy Haven" ( a well known brothel here) then next morning are ashamed and turn to Jesus to ask for forgiveness, he will indeed forgive.
False doctrine of demons. You're right, it sounds like we know different a different God. I guess we will find out which of us knows the right one.
If we stumble, there is indeed grace, mercy and forgiveness.
If we willfully sin, there remains no more sacrifice for our sin.

There is a huge difference between stumbling and making mistakes, and willful premeditated sin. The Bible talks about those who stumble, and those who practice sin.

Rom 2:2; And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things.

1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1Cor 7:19; Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

John 5:28; “Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Luke 13:3; “I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Luke 13:5; “I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

You say you know Jesus but the commandments don't matter? The Bible says you're a liar.

1Jn 2:3; By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1Jn 2:4; The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

The Bible also warns about those who use the grace of God as a license to sin.

Jude 1:3; Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.
Jude 1:4; For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:10; But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.
Jude 1:11; Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
Jude 1:12; These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted;
Jude 1:13; wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.
 
Loyal
How many times does Jesus forgive you of your trespasses? 7000 times 7000.
I wonder if you have scripture for this 7000 times times 7000 number?

not trying to follow the law like the Pharisees.
The leaven of the Pharisees wasn't that they followed the law, it was that they didn't.

Mark 7:3; (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the traditions of the elders;
Mark 7:5; The Pharisees and the scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?”
Mark 7:6; And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me.
Mark 7:7; But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
Mark 7:8; “Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
Mark 7:9; He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.

Matt 15:2; “Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”
Matt 15:3; And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
Matt 15:4; “For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’
Matt 15:5; “But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,”
Matt 15:6; he is not to honor his father or his mother’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
Matt 15:7; “You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:
Matt 15:8; This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me.
Matt 15:9; ‘But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”

Matt 23:23; Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.
 
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Look, I give up. Knock yourselves arguing about such things. This is why I dont go to organised religions. You have a nice day.
 
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@Gregoryp

Greetings,

regardless of if you do or don't go to organized religions, we do have to be very careful to not add words that are not there, even if we mean well in doing so.


Bless you ....><>
 
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but also for us, to whom righteousness will be credited--for us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.
Romans 4:24

Greetings,

a lie!.... And change it to "believe on the Lord Jesus and "you might get saved"
yes, it is a LIE to state such things as "you might get saved"

What has been suggested in the post you wrote is to pervert the word we have in Scripture.

The doing word is to believe.
If you must try to dis-assemble and reconstruct the words in the Bible, look at the word, believe.
We are also told if we believe and confess with our mouth, we shall be saved.

The LORD is not a liar and His word to us is true.

For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.

Romans 10:10

Please be careful with what you state regarding any changes to what is written.

It is just as the Scripture says: "Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame."
Romans 10:11

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 2:16
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When an audience is addressed with the Gospel, some will hear and believe until cares come calling, some will believe until the going gets tough, some will not even bother and will continue on in sin and unbelief.... and some will believe and in them the word will grow and bear fruit.

And when much people were gathered together, and were come to Him [Jesus] out of every city, he spake by a parable: A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when He had said these things, He cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

And his disciples asked Him, saying, What might this parable be?
And He said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. and that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Luke 8:4-15


That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:9

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Acts 16:31


Bless you ....><>

But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:
John 1:12
 
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Greetings,

I know there are over 2.6 billion Christians in the world that are believers. I know . i wish every body would believe. :)
i doubt that any of us 'wish' for that as much as our Father does.

Lord have mercy


Bless you ....><>
 
Loyal
Dont forget ,Jesus has given the gift of repentance. What does that mean? Well if you get tempted to go to "Happy Haven" ( a well known brothel here) then next morning are ashamed and turn to Jesus to ask for forgiveness, he will indeed forgive. How many times does Jesus forgive you of your trespasses? 7000 times 7000. You will not lose your salvation. Keep willfully going there every Saturday night, then there is no guarantee you will see paradise. His patience may wear very thin. So I am talking about repentance and forgiveness, not trying to follow the law like the Pharisees. Man has sinful desire, and for some it takes a lifetime to stop. What a merciful and understanding God I have. Now it seems to me, this other god seems to be quite enamored with the law, and demands full repentance. I believe you can find him in certain church buildings?

HI @Gregoryp ,,,,

what is the way you see the difference between true repentance and asking to be forgiven??

I used to think they were one in the same thing, when I was catholic I used to commit the same sins every week, and I knew they were wrong and it bothered me a little. I would even go confess to a priest I even thought the priest had the power to forgive me, I used to also think God had no choice he had to forgive me if I asked,,, I thought I was saved back then.

then I started reading the bible got truly convicted and confessed to God, I started actually changing, IF I sinned it was such a conviction, I eventually stopped these sins I had practiced most of my life.

The way I understand the difference between the two,, is one is a real change of heart, true repentance leads to a change of behavior.

Asking to be forgiven, may be just a way to stay out of hell, but not really a change of heart. But asking to be forgiven may also lead to real repentance, but not all the time.
 

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