You Are Not A Christian But A Jew.

[gentle]

You are not a Christian but actually you are a Jew. The moment you accept and receive Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, you are not whatever nationality you have, but you are now a Jew. For example, I'm a Filipino, I'm not anymore, but a Filipino Jew now. In Romans 2:25-29, it says that a real Jew is anyone who's heart is right with God.For God is not looking for those who cut there bodie in actual body circumcision, but he is looking for those with changed hearts and minds.Whoever, has that kind of change in his life will get his praise from God, even if not from you. You see, there are two just only teo distinctions of race on earth - Jew or Gentile.Now, whether we like it or not, God chose the Jews to be His people and has revealed to them and given them His laws.But they did not value it but rebelled to Him.In Romans 11 it says that God temporarily shone away the Jewsso that He can make room for those who will believe in Jesus and many a verses in the Bible says that He made those who are not His people now His people and He is their God.IN Romans 2:25-29 say that circumcision in heart is the real Jew not circumcision by the flesh. Because the evident distinction between a jew or gentile is the former practices circumcision while the latter not. Because circumcision means that you accepted God's covenant that He is your God and you are a people of His. So, if you have a change in heart and mind, you are a Jew and there will be no more distinction to it. So, if you are an american, you are an american jew, etc. And all this was done and possible because of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (Eph.2). You are favored by God like that of a Jew and even higher up because you have and believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God the Messiah. But Romans 11 says that don't brag because God will bring back to Him the jews who are temporarily lost.
:thumbs_up God bless us. Peace is with us.

 

[Christan]

So Gentle are you interested in me teaching a hebrew english class on the Word of God and Helping me write a book at the same time?I want to have it be a family affair.Chad was the impetus of the idea he wanted everything to be accessable..Of course some are not interested but I have been studying Hebrew since 1988.What are your feelings.?All I can tell you is this Atonement in hebrew is Kippur. To Dig is CHeper the ch being rough.Chepera" Egyptian "was given a place of being a God.Chepera was reperesented by the Dung beetle that rolls dung into a ball and is known as a scarab.It is the sign of evolving or creating.When we Dig into the Word of GOD in it's native toungue and it's relatives we are changing,we are covering up our nakedness,we are being Reborn. WE are glorifying the Word of God as it was in the beginning.And we are preparing ourselves for the resurrection of our flesh which is presently the battleground of the Lord and satan.Halleluyah.!!!!I hope I dont sound too nutty but I love the ancient tongues.Approaching the ancient of days is awsome!!.I also have information indicating that the Sphinx and Great pyramid are the placements of God east of eden of the Cherubim and a revolving sword aflamed.Goody It's so fun and I have few to share this great stuff with.

 

[gentle]

hello brother Christan. What I am trying to say here is that God has given us a chance to be a part o His family, or chosen people.Whether we like it or not, He has chosen the Israelites to be His people and only and only them.So, the Bible is actually for them, a contract or covenant. And becase of Jesus Christ, He leveled it. You and I chosen by God to be part of His chosen people.All the promised blessings to the Israelites now belong to us also whom has and believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the Savior and Lord. And better yet, the spiritual blessings that comes from it, esp. being part of His very own family.
God bless you brother. I'm not offended and I thank you for your views. Hope you understand this. Peace is with us.
Not the ways but the character of God manifesting in us.

 

[jiggyfly]

I am not a Jew. I am an American by natural birth but I have been born again into the Kingdom of God, not the Jewish nation. Being part of Gods family doesn't mean you are Jewish. I want to be identified with Christ.

 

[ChrisM]

This is my problem. Judaism is a religion, not a nationality. There are jewish Americans and Christian and Muslim Israelis. One can convert to judaism without ever mentioning Jesus. The idea that being jewish is an ethnicity i will support because the jews have perpetuated that through their history. Jews, in general, marry other jews. However, to become a follower of Christ one does not need to become jewish. One can become jewish if one feels that following the traditions of the laws of Moses bring one closer to God, but it is not nessecary. A portion of the book of Acts is devoted to a debate between some followers including Peter and Paul, (in fact a wonderful movie was made on the subject starring Anthony Hopkins as Paul), about the nessecity of conversion to judaism in order to become followers of Christ. Specificaly relating to Paul's ministry in Greece. See Acts 15. Among the issues were circumscision and food. The Greeks and Romans ate pork. Starting from Acts 10:9 Peter recieved his answer about food in a dream/vision. Jesus himself had addressed these concerns when the Pharisees were questioning him about his disciples not following ritual washing procedures. Christ's profound answer can be read in Matthew 15 or Mark 7.
The parable of the Tennants, is an example of the point I am getting at. The parable of the tennants can be found starting at Matthew 21:33 or in Mark 12:1-12 or in Luke 20:9-19. The parable is a little harsh, but the Idea is that Jesus was and is the determining factor in salvation. If Jesus is rejected then salvation is rejected. Had the tennants not murdered the servants and the son then the landlord woud not have treated them harshly. I am in no way accusing Jews of anything with this parable. I am merely saying that Jesus tore down the temple and rebuilt it in 3 days. The law that governs judaism no longer governs God's church on earth because we all didn't understand the law.
When the Hebrews became followers of God Abraham made a covenant with God. God said that Abraham was to demonstrate his love for God by climbing the mountain and sacraficing his son Isaac. See Genisis 22. God showed mercy and his love for them by sparing Isaac and sending a ram to be sacraficed. The passion of Christ is the exact same scenario in reverse. God's son was offered up but the same mercy was not shown by men. In Genisis 22:2 God uses the words, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the rgion of Moriah. Sacrafice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains there I will tell you about." Abraham and Isaac on the mountain marked the begining of a covenant. Jesus crucifixion marked the end of a covenant. Just as God delivered Isaac on the montain God delivered Jesus through the resurection. The resurection is the New covenant.

 

[gentle]

Thanks for the reactions but needto clarify

Guys thank you for the replies. I appreciate it.But my point here is, when you accept, receive and believe in Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and Lord you paved the way for God to work in your life, by changing you, your heart from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh meaning a new heart sensitive and responsive to God (Ezek. 36:26,27). the moment we pray the prayer of acceptance and believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, He's circumcising our hearts by changing it as written in Ezek.36:26,27. If we exhibit this change in character, it is the outward manifestation that God has circumcised us not in outward appearance or physical appearnce or circumcision but in heart and spirit. For it says in Romans 2:25-29 that a real Jew is not the one who cuts himself in bodily circumcision but in heart and spirit.Being a Jew means a people chosen by God and we are a Jew in spirit; Israelites in the spirit, becasue of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Don't get me wrong, but I'm thankful to God he made me a Filipino and He saved me through Jesus Christ. And by Jesus Christ, he has chosen me to become a child of His, to be in His lineage - a Jew.I'm not a gentile anymore but a part o God's precious people because of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior.

Thank you for your reactions and God bless all of us. I hope I did not offend anybody.
Peace is with us.

 

[ecarg]

A question about Abraham---was he a jew? Scripture says --

Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.​

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him:

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

 

[ChrisM]

Historically no Abraham was not technically a "Jew". Aside from cricumcision Jewish law came mainly when Moses was leading the Hebrews in the desert. The term Jew itself, please someone correct me if I am wrong, comes from the divisions of the Hebrew kingdom into Israel and Judah. There were good kings and bad kings on both sides, but in the end the kingdom of Israel had forgotten God and Judah was the main religious center. In Swedish the word for Jew and the word for the kingdome of Judah are the same.

 

[Manuell]

I don’t get where this post want to go, first I agreed with you on the bit about nationalities, then you contradict your own statement by You see, there are two just only teo distinctions of race on earth - Jew or Gentile statement introducing the notion of nationalities again, I think that you are very confused in this areas from the very beginning God revealed Himself as the creator and saviours of the world not the saviour of Jews. On this subject God sent his beloved Son to save Israel/ to bring them back/ to draw them near to Him, but they rejected Him and that is why not all Jews are saved but only a remanent and this remanent are the Jews that believe in Jesus the Christ (Messiah) remember that there is only one way back to God and that is what the Lord taught “God temporarily shone away the Jews so that He can make room for those who will believe in Jesus and many a verses in the Bible says that He made those who are not His people now His people and He is their God. You see here is your answer !only those that believe in Christ Jesus will enter the kingdom and this days they are called Christians not gentile Jews.
Because the evident distinction between a Jew or gentile is the former practices circumcision while the latter not. You should think this one through and deeper, Jews as a nation or Jews as religion. Ask your self what were the Jews chosen for? Will any body that doesn’t make Jesus His saviour and Lord be save.
God blessing and protection

 

[Manuell]

Guys thank you for the replies. I appreciate it.But my point here is, when you accept, receive and believe in Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and Lord you paved the way for God to work in your life, by changing you, your heart from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh meaning a new heart sensitive and responsive to God (Ezek. 36:26,27). the moment we pray the prayer of acceptance and believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, He's circumcising our hearts by changing it as written in Ezek.36:26,27. If we exhibit this change in character, it is the outward manifestation that God has circumcised us not in outward appearance or physical appearnce or circumcision but in heart and spirit. For it says in Romans 2:25-29 that a real Jew is not the one who cuts himself in bodily circumcision but in heart and spirit.Being a Jew means a people chosen by God and we are a Jew in spirit; Israelites in the spirit, becasue of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Don't get me wrong, but I'm thankful to God he made me a Filipino and He saved me through Jesus Christ. And by Jesus Christ, he has chosen me to become a child of His, to be in His lineage - a Jew.I'm not a gentile anymore but a part o God's precious people because of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior.

Thank you for your reactions and God bless all of us. I hope I did not offend anybody.
Peace is with us.

A follower of Christ becomes a Christian
Mat 16:24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me.
Mat 16:25 For whoever desires to save his life shall lose it, and whoever desires to lose his life for My sake shall find it.
Dear brother the purpose of a Christian is to become a disciple of Christ Jesu, not to obtain a nationality.
Peace and God’s blessings

 

[Bendito]

You are not a Christian but actually you are a Jew. The moment you accept and receive Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, you are not whatever nationality you have, but you are now a Jew. For example, I'm a Filipino, I'm not anymore, but a Filipino Jew now. In Romans 2:25-29, it says that a real Jew is anyone who's heart is right with God.For God is not looking for those who cut there bodie in actual body circumcision, but he is looking for those with changed hearts and minds.Whoever, has that kind of change in his life will get his praise from God, even if not from you. You see, there are two just only teo distinctions of race on earth - Jew or Gentile.Now, whether we like it or not, God chose the Jews to be His people and has revealed to them and given them His laws.But they did not value it but rebelled to Him.In Romans 11 it says that God temporarily shone away the Jewsso that He can make room for those who will believe in Jesus and many a verses in the Bible says that He made those who are not His people now His people and He is their God.IN Romans 2:25-29 say that circumcision in heart is the real Jew not circumcision by the flesh. Because the evident distinction between a jew or gentile is the former practices circumcision while the latter not. Because circumcision means that you accepted God's covenant that He is your God and you are a people of His. So, if you have a change in heart and mind, you are a Jew and there will be no more distinction to it. So, if you are an american, you are an american jew, etc. And all this was done and possible because of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (Eph.2). You are favored by God like that of a Jew and even higher up because you have and believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God the Messiah. But Romans 11 says that don't brag because God will bring back to Him the jews who are temporarily lost.
:thumbs_up God bless us. Peace is with us.

Whoa! Paul is talking to Jews. He is talking not to born again Christians but Torah following unsaved Jews. So then Gentle. You are not a Filipino Jew. You are a Filipino Christian. A son of the Living God.
Yes the Jews were the chosen people. I'm saying were, not because I think God no longer loves them or no longer has a job for them but because God chose the Jews to be the 'mouthpiece, to be the first people He came to. The people who would lead all other peoples to Him. They refused so Jesus opened it to all mankind to spread the Word. I still believe that the Jews have an awesome job ahead. And that they'll lead countless others to Jesus

 

[pajaro]

Hi gentle. I understand and agree with you. The Bible uses the word 'Jew' as a phrase to indicate a person who has been circumcized in the heart, not the flesh. This is the way it is meant in Revelation 3:9 for example: "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." This is the Bible's encouragement to true believers who are being rejected by those of congregations who claim to be Christian.

 

[Dovegiven]

Jesus was sent by the Father to Judah, the people there known as Judeans, after which the nickname Jews came about. That was the last of Israel, it too destroyed some decades later. Scriptures attest to the failure of Jews to accept Christ then, and history records their continual rejection of Jesus. Paul wrote that was and remains the one open door God has to allow gentiles into his kingdom. Scriptures do not teach believing gentiles become Jews in any way.

The passage that seems to lead to that belief is of Romans 2. Before we get to verse 28 we must understand properly that Paul was chastising people who claim to be Jews according to outward things of the body, such as being born in the line of Abraham. Arabs can make that claim too. Arabs also practice circumcision, carrying on father Abraham's tradition. Keeping the law of Moses doesn't qualify a person to be truly a Jew. God didn't choose the Hebrews on the basis of genetics, but chose Abraham because of Abraham's faith in God.

From there read on down until verse 28-29 makes sense in context. To say a gentile becomes a Jew through Jesus Christ proves a lack of understanding of practically the entire Bible. When a Jew that is not of the gentiles can meet the righteousness standard of Christ like any believing Gentile does, then that Jew "in name only/by the flesh" will be regarded by God as a real Jew. A gentile believer remains of gentile stock, sometimes called a "Greek" in scripture, both true Jew and grafted in gentile then sharing in the family of God. No Jew that fails to meet the qualification of those verses can have part in eternal life.

The concept of gentiles being grafted into the true vine ought to make it clear. I've grafted fruit branches of one species onto the stock of another species, and have had one fruit tree bearing different fruits. A peach branch on a pear tree isn't then named a pear branch. We can take the issue of a "Jew" back before any Jews existed, before there was a Judah of Israel, to Abraham, a gentile that was not made a Jew. 430 years after him some of his descendants established Israel, those of the tribe of Judah called Jews, while other tribes went by their tribal names, yet all one nation of Hebrews.

Followers of Jesus Christ were first called "Christian" in Antioch, Acts 11:26. Scripture calls "christ-like" believers by other names, but never "Jews", especially believers of gentile clans. The title "Christian" is much higher than Jew, identifying believers directly with a title our savior, the Christ of God. So to say a disciple of Christ is not a "Christian" defies scripture, disassociates believers from the way of Christ held by those disciples in Antioch, and all who lived since then.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Thank you Dovegiven, this post bothered me at the start, but due to family loss I have not got chance to reply.

You have covered everything I wanted to put, in a clearer way. Thank you.

I will just add if I may, the Bible is very clear... (in all things, to the Jews first then to the Gentiles).

Romans 1:16-17 (NIV2011)
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

Paul explains his deep concerns for the Jews and lists the key elements for the Jews to Jesus
Romans 9:1-5 (NIV2011)
1 I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit—
2 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart.
3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race,
4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.
5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

But theirs also is salvation through Yeshua, as it is for us, but Jews first and Gentiles second.

Jesus taught that the Gentiles who believed would be united with the believing remnant of Israel in one "fold" with one "Shepherd":
(John 10:16 KJV) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

We will come into the same fold, we will be united with Jews that have accepted Jesus, we will be grafted in, but we do not become Jews and it is always Jews first and then Gentiles.

Peace be with you

 

[Dovegiven]

Thank you Dovegiven, this post bothered me at the start, but due to family loss I have not got chance to reply.

You have covered everything I wanted to put, in a clearer way. Thank you.

I will just add if I may, the Bible is very clear... (in all things, to the Jews first then to the Gentiles).

Romans 1:16-17 (NIV2011)
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

Paul explains his deep concerns for the Jews and lists the key elements for the Jews to Jesus
Romans 9:1-5 (NIV2011)
1 I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit—
2 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart.
3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race,
4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.
5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

But theirs also is salvation through Yeshua, as it is for us, but Jews first and Gentiles second.

Jesus taught that the Gentiles who believed would be united with the believing remnant of Israel in one "fold" with one "Shepherd":
(John 10:16 KJV) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

We will come into the same fold, we will be united with Jews that have accepted Jesus, we will be grafted in, but we do not become Jews and it is always Jews first and then Gentiles.

Peace be with you

Good comment! I've preached and taught congregations to their usual offense that Jesus made it clear he didn't have gentiles in mind when he came in the flesh.

It just offends the world to hear that, that the Son of God, very anointed Christ of God, came to minister among, and die on the cross for, the Jews who steadfastly rejected him on a national scale, save the few who embraced Jesus. Yet Jesus didn't rescind his mission emphasis of Matthew 15:24-26 (KJV)
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
But allowed a benefit of healing to the Canaanite woman, beginning with
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Indeed Jesus delivered the gospel only to the Jews first, then merged the Gentiles in. Scriptures declare room was made on the basis of natural branches, the Jews,
being cut off through unbelief, affording Gentiles to be grafted in.

Adding some scripture basis for my previous post, here's a little more that demonstrates the error of inferring the Bible teaches a Gentile believer becomes a Jew.
Festus the Roman governor and King Agrippa meeting with him, who advised
Festus about matters of the Jews' religion, examined Paul in Acts 26:27-29 (KJV) Paul saying in verse 27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.

Paul knew Agrippa was up to date about all things Jewish, and concerning the "problem" involving Jesus.

28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

Note the king didn't say Paul almost made him a Jew.

29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.

Paul, a Jew, had become a Christian while remaining a Jew by all qualifications of Jewishness he confessed he would not boast in, but in Christ only. Paul was here wishing
everyone in that room hearing him would also become Christians, only not in captivity like he was.

Another direct association of disciples of Christ named Christian is in1 Peter 4:16 (KJV)
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

If believers were instead made Jews, then the instruction from Peter to believers would have been 'suffer as a Jew'.

It would be appropriate for the OP author to come along in agreement with the facts.