Word of Faith.....Again

[Bendito]

Doesn't it seem strange to you that so many are against the so called Word of Faith preachers when faith is so vital to our lives? Without faith we're hooped, yet so many churches do not even teach/ preach on faith....What goes here on? These are a few verses dealing with faith...Don't you think faith is important? Vital?

Acts 15:9
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 9:32
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Romans 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

2 Corinthians 1:24
Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.

2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:26
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 5:5
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Ephesians 3:17
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Hebrews 10:38
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Hebrews 11:9
By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

Acts 3:16
And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Romans 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Galatians 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Hebrews 11:11
Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

Hebrews 11:28
Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

Hebrews 11:33
Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

Hebrews 11:39
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

1 Peter 1:5
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 4:19
And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:

Romans 4:20
He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

2 Corinthians 8:7
Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.

1 Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

1 Timothy 2:7
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

1 Timothy 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

1 Timothy 4:12
Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

2 Timothy 1:13
Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Titus 2:2
That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Hebrews 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

James 1:6
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Then you see people saying things like; "I believe the Word of Faith movement is heretical down to the core. It reduces God to a mere toy, a plaything that our faith and attitude can control." Doesn't this person realize that God works by faith too? He has to have faith in His Word, to know that His word works..
"I was called here to address a seriously flawed even heretical teaching that pervades the Christian church in the US. At it's heart Word of Faith is no more Christian than Christian Science. It is heresy plain and simple."
There is no scripture that shows where teaching about living by faith is heresy? Why not? Is this condemnation simple deception from the enemy? Doctrines of demons?

 

[JohnP]

Hasn't this topic been beaten to death already, with no one from either side suddenly jumping to the other side? If you want to read a well thought out article as to why people outside of WoF have a problem with it, read this - Is the Word of Faith movement biblical? and this - What does the Bible say about the prosperity gospel?. Don't just glance at it. Really read it, and you'll see where the issues lie.

Here is a short excerpt - "A favorite term in the Word of Faith movement is “positive confession.” This refers to the teaching that words themselves have creative power. What you say, Word of Faith teachers claim, determines everything that happens to you. Your confessions, especially the favors you demand of God, must all be stated positively and without wavering. Then God is required to answer (as though man could require anything of God!). Thus, God's ability to bless us supposedly hangs on our faith."

 

[Bendito]

Hasn't this topic been beaten to death already, with no one from either side suddenly jumping to the other side? If you want to read a well thought out article as to why people outside of WoF have a problem with it, read this - Is the Word of Faith movement biblical? and this - What does the Bible say about the prosperity gospel?. Don't just glance at it. Really read it, and you'll see where the issues lie.

Here is a short excerpt - "A favorite term in the Word of Faith movement is “positive confession.” This refers to the teaching that words themselves have creative power. What you say, Word of Faith teachers claim, determines everything that happens to you. Your confessions, especially the favors you demand of God, must all be stated positively and without wavering. Then God is required to answer (as though man could require anything of God!). Thus, God's ability to bless us supposedly hangs on our faith."

If it was beaten to death, my friend, there might be fewer people sniping at it and more people living by faith. Don't you think so?
The thing is not positive confession but 'lining your speaking up with what God says'

When I first learned that even Christians have authority over demons, there was the vast majority of churches claiming 'Heresy!' Now there are many churches that believe it now and more all the time.. Churches claiming 'A Christian can't have a demon' Yet more and more Christians are getting delivered from demons....
Many many churches have build doctrines on a single verse and have been WRONG..Now they are starting to learn the truth of our salvation....
Where is it wrong to live by the Word of God? Is that heresy? I think not.

 

[JohnP]

If it was beaten to death, my friend, there might be fewer people sniping at it and more people living by faith. Don't you think so?
The thing is not positive confession but 'lining your speaking up with what God says'

So you re-worded what they said. Doesn't change the content. Did you read the two articles that I provided links to? Do you have any rebuttal to what was said there? One thing that I have noticed about those in the WoF "movement" is they seem more bent on defending their movement instead of just focusing on Jesus. I don't care if you're Lutheran or Baptist or Pentecostal or whatever as long as we are glorifying Jesus together.

Anyway, I've already said more than I intended - I'm not into debating these things. I don't find it edifying. You asked why so many people are against WoF and I provided that. Have a blessed day!

 

[Bendito]

So you re-worded what they said. Doesn't change the content. Did you read the two articles that I provided links to? Do you have any rebuttal to what was said there? One thing that I have noticed about those in the WoF "movement" is they seem more bent on defending their movement instead of just focusing on Jesus. I don't care if you're Lutheran or Baptist or Pentecostal or whatever as long as we are glorifying Jesus together.

Anyway, I've already said more than I intended - I'm not into debating these things. I don't find it edifying. You asked why so many people are against WoF and I provided that. Have a blessed day!

I read those articles you gave...and a hundred like them...and they are wrong...Positive confession is not the same at all as saying what God says...
These people, like other people, have an opinion, then find scripture to back them up.
This 'movement' grew out of the Pentecostal 'movement' (Pentecostal is a denomination not a movement) At one time the Pentecostal denomination was considered heresy too...
The fact of the matter is...You cannot live by faith, in faith, without focusing on Jesus..

I still wonder why Christians are possibly the most judgmental people on the planet...Thy do not want to take what God says and run with it. They would rather fight among themselves and invent doctrines based on a single verse..
Well...I won't go on either...You are obviously a strong member of the 'Word of Faith teaching is decidedly unbiblical' movement... Faith has nothing to do with the beliefs of this group because God is in control...(which He is not) and what will happen will happen (which is doctrine of demons) So I too will let it drop.
Nice talking to you

 

[RJ]

.Don't you think faith is important? Vital?

Faith is essential. Your faith grows by reading and hearing the word, but It is very important to realize that initial faith is a free gift of God's Grace: Romans 12:3.

 

[Bendito]

I read those articles you gave...and a hundred like them...and they are wrong...Positive confession is not the same at all as saying what God says...
These people, like other people, have an opinion, then find scripture to back them up.
This 'movement' grew out of the Pentecostal 'movement' (Pentecostal is a denomination not a movement) At one time the Pentecostal denomination was considered heresy too...
The fact of the matter is...You cannot live by faith, in faith, without focusing on Jesus..

I still wonder why Christians are possibly the most judgmental people on the planet...Thy do not want to take what God says and run with it. They would rather fight among themselves and invent doctrines based on a single verse..
Well...I won't go on either...You are obviously a strong member of the 'Word of Faith teaching is decidedly unbiblical' movement... Faith has nothing to do with the beliefs of this group because God is in control...(which He is not) and what will happen will happen (which is doctrine of demons) So I too will let it drop.
Nice talking to you

Faith is essential. Your faith grows by reading and hearing the word, but It is very important to realize that initial faith is a free gift of God's Grace: Romans 12:3.

Ok Your faith grows when you read the Word...What do you do with it? Faith without WORKS is empty, dead...
These Word of Faith people believe that they are blessed to be a blessing...They are not looking to be rich just to be rich....

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Hasn't this topic been beaten to death already, with no one from either side suddenly jumping to the other side? If you want to read a well thought out article as to why people outside of WoF have a problem with it, read this - Is the Word of Faith movement biblical? and this - What does the Bible say about the prosperity gospel?. Don't just glance at it. Really read it, and you'll see where the issues lie.

Here is a short excerpt - "A favorite term in the Word of Faith movement is “positive confession.” This refers to the teaching that words themselves have creative power. What you say, Word of Faith teachers claim, determines everything that happens to you. Your confessions, especially the favors you demand of God, must all be stated positively and without wavering. Then God is required to answer (as though man could require anything of God!). Thus, God's ability to bless us supposedly hangs on our faith."

John Hi,
It's funny how you react to what people say over what you have said in the past. When you first came into cfs you were hungry to learn about faith. You read a lot of what I posted and thanked me. You made a point to tell others. You said many times how this has helped you in many ways. Then a couple of members got on their high horses and began spouting off making ignorant claims and you began to join in. Then some began this wof movement ( their is NO movment) and said what I write is wof and you turned on me. You began to argue with me and discredited any thing I said about faith from that point on. The only thing that changed was "your" view on things over the truth being spoken.

Now you come into this thread taking what others have said and making it as truth set in stone.
John you are a friend and brother and I love dearly and this is why I am writing this wake up call type of reply to you. I challenge you to seek the Lord in this whole heartedly and not some prayer with your mind made up. If you can not be willing to be willing to learn then you will simply be way side to anythng He wants to show you.

Now John are you 100 percent sure what you claim about words is truth ? You must or you would not even have posted what you did or make the point to write out some jibber jabber on words that some one else wrote. So John how much is taught in the written word of God about words ? Why did God see fit to make sure it was talked about so many different times in His written word to us ? Did God just need filler or allow those anointed ment to write any old thing they wanted to ? Come on brother - think !!

I hope you take this reply in love for this is how it has been written. I hold no ought against you and not even for the remarks made to me about what I had written after you decided what I wrote was from some false teaching or movment as you and others claim.

John and you know what brother - You did not even ask me - but you took the word of others who now nothing.
Have a wonderful and blessed 2016 Brother John
God Bless
James

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

So you re-worded what they said. Doesn't change the content. Did you read the two articles that I provided links to? Do you have any rebuttal to what was said there? One thing that I have noticed about those in the WoF "movement" is they seem more bent on defending their movement instead of just focusing on Jesus. I don't care if you're Lutheran or Baptist or Pentecostal or whatever as long as we are glorifying Jesus together.

Anyway, I've already said more than I intended - I'm not into debating these things. I don't find it edifying. You asked why so many people are against WoF and I provided that. Have a blessed day!

No John you post what other say instead of learning your self. Kind of stunts the growth now dont it?
There is NO movment brother. The just shall live by faith. Faith is the life style every born again beleiver should be living. Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised Study this word profession John and tell me what it translates too. Hint confession

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Ok Your faith grows when you read the Word...What do you do with it? Faith without WORKS is empty, dead...
These Word of Faith people believe that they are blessed to be a blessing...They are not looking to be rich just to be rich....

My Friend Bendito I wish to only add to what you have said and replied to and not take away,
The blessing of the lord maketh you rich and adds no sorrow to it.
Rich is always in every area of your life and being with God
Who maketh you rich > THE BLESSING
Adds no sorrow to it - NO TOIL or STRUGGLE

The worldly way is to go make a living. Do all you can to make enough money for you. They struggle and work and step on others to get there.

The blessing brings one wealth with out struggle because they are givers them selves. They give and they recieve. God gives bread to the eater and seed to sow. Another words God will give you finances in more then enough for your needs AND He GIVES you finances to meet the needs of others and His house. Once He can trust you with it.

Look at these two scriptures - brother don't they say it clearly
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Proverbs 24:5 A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength.

Gee wiz bro - what knowledge would that be talking about ? Why of course it is the written word of God and His ways, Hmmm Why do His people perish ? Oh yea - lack of knowledge - hmmm do ya think maybe He is telling us something here ?

Funny how folks will argue against somethng they know little to nothing about and use everythng they find from people they know nothing about either. Sad.....
Hey you likea good challenge ? Ask God or give Him permission to correct your speaking. Tell Him you want Him to point out everything you say that is not pleasing to Him. I will tell you this, It will amaze youo at how much is said by people as nothing at all. It is Hard but rewarding and it does not happen fast. Just when you think you got it under control - well the next level is revealed and here we go again.
Blessing brother
James

 

[RJ]

Ok Your faith grows when you read the Word...What do you do with it? Faith without WORKS is empty, dead...

• Doesn't your faith grow when you read or hear the word of God.
• What do I do with it?...It strengthens my belief and resolve.
• Faith with out works is dead. That is right.....Works from the Holy Spirit through you. Jesus said, "Without me you can do nothing" !

 

[JohnP]

John Hi,
It's funny how you react to what people say over what you have said in the past. When you first came into cfs you were hungry to learn about faith. You read a lot of what I posted and thanked me. You made a point to tell others. You said many times how this has helped you in many ways. Then a couple of members got on their high horses and began spouting off making ignorant claims and you began to join in. Then some began this wof movement ( their is NO movment) and said what I write is wof and you turned on me. You began to argue with me and discredited any thing I said about faith from that point on. The only thing that changed was "your" view on things over the truth being spoken.

Now you come into this thread taking what others have said and making it as truth set in stone.
John you are a friend and brother and I love dearly and this is why I am writing this wake up call type of reply to you. I challenge you to seek the Lord in this whole heartedly and not some prayer with your mind made up. If you can not be willing to be willing to learn then you will simply be way side to anythng He wants to show you.

Now John are you 100 percent sure what you claim about words is truth ? You must or you would not even have posted what you did or make the point to write out some jibber jabber on words that some one else wrote. So John how much is taught in the written word of God about words ? Why did God see fit to make sure it was talked about so many different times in His written word to us ? Did God just need filler or allow those anointed ment to write any old thing they wanted to ? Come on brother - think !!

I hope you take this reply in love for this is how it has been written. I hold no ought against you and not even for the remarks made to me about what I had written after you decided what I wrote was from some false teaching or movment as you and others claim.

John and you know what brother - You did not even ask me - but you took the word of others who now nothing.
Have a wonderful and blessed 2016 Brother John
God Bless
James

I'm sorry you took it that way, Jim, but I'll address that in a private message. I'll I want to say here is,

My frustration over this - not just this thread, but 12 years worth of hanging out in Christian forums and why I left them for many years - is all of the arguing and bickering over who's right. "Well, If you don't believe in Word of Faith then you don't know the Word of God." "Calvinism is heresy." "Arminianism isn't true." "What do you mean you are a pre-triber?" "It's ridiculous to think that there will be a post-tribulation rapture. You don't know what you are talking about."

Over and over and over again for 12 years. Why can't we just worship Jesus together? For what it's worth, I never said a disparaging word in this thread about WoF. Bendito asked why people had a problem with it, and I provided a couple of links that answered that question. I didn't use my words (which you reminded me of several times) because I don't want to get into an argument over it. Sure I have some disagreements with some of the tenets of WoF - just like I have disagreements with some of the tenets of the Baptists, and the Lutherans and the Pentecostals, and the Methodists, and the Catholics. Are you getting the picture? I have disagreements over some of the tenets of organized religion! The only thing that I agree 100% with is the Bible. That means sometimes I may disagree with you, and sometimes I may disagree with Bendito, and sometimes I may disagree with my wife - but it doesn't mean I love you any less!

So, I don't care about "movements" or "religions" or any of that other bunk that everyone loves arguing about on Internet forums. As long as you believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins and was resurrected, that He is our Lord and Savior, and that the Bible is the infallible Word of God, then you are my brother or sister in Christ and I love you!

 

[Bendito]

• Doesn't your faith grow when you read or hear the word of God.
• What do I do with it?...It strengthens my belief and resolve.
• Faith with out works is dead. That is right.....Works from the Holy Spirit through you. Jesus said, "Without me you can do nothing" !

Faith grows when you read the Word...ALOUD...Faith cometh by hearing and hearing and hearing....
It strengthens your belief when you obey it and see it work..
And you got the third one right

 

[Bendito]

I'm sorry you took it that way, Jim, but I'll address that in a private message. I'll I want to say here is,

My frustration over this - not just this thread, but 12 years worth of hanging out in Christian forums and why I left them for many years - is all of the arguing and bickering over who's right. "Well, If you don't believe in Word of Faith then you don't know the Word of God." "Calvinism is heresy." "Arminianism isn't true." "What do you mean you are a pre-triber?" "It's ridiculous to think that there will be a post-tribulation rapture. You don't know what you are talking about."

Over and over and over again for 12 years. Why can't we just worship Jesus together? For what it's worth, I never said a disparaging word in this thread about WoF. Bendito asked why people had a problem with it, and I provided a couple of links that answered that question. I didn't use my words (which you reminded me of several times) because I don't want to get into an argument over it. Sure I have some disagreements with some of the tenets of WoF - just like I have disagreements with some of the tenets of the Baptists, and the Lutherans and the Pentecostals, and the Methodists, and the Catholics. Are you getting the picture? I have disagreements over some of the tenets of organized religion! The only thing that I agree 100% with is the Bible. That means sometimes I may disagree with you, and sometimes I may disagree with Bendito, and sometimes I may disagree with my wife - but it doesn't mean I love you any less!

So, I don't care about "movements" or "religions" or any of that other bunk that everyone loves arguing about on Internet forums. As long as you believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins and was resurrected, that He is our Lord and Savior, and that the Bible is the infallible Word of God, then you are my brother or sister in Christ and I love you!

John Just so you know? I didn't take offense...It's just that it really bothers me that people will read the Word and ignore the parts that take a bit of stretching of their preconceptions....For example; a man is taught from a boy to an old man, that a man provides for his family...Yet the Word says that we are to work so that we have something to GIVE....Not so we have something to live on....Jehovah Jireh..God is my provider...My God will supply ALL of your need...We need food, we need clothing, we need shelter, we need we need we need and it's God who is the provider....Not the man...At my age consider the difficulty in switching the way of thinking here. Its hard! This being the case I can believe that God is my provider, which gives me a major job in converting my way of thinking to God's way of thinking....Being willing to make that effort I find it difficult to understand why all Christians are not willing to line up their thoughts with God's way.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I'm sorry you took it that way, Jim, but I'll address that in a private message. I'll I want to say here is,

My frustration over this - not just this thread, but 12 years worth of hanging out in Christian forums and why I left them for many years - is all of the arguing and bickering over who's right. "Well, If you don't believe in Word of Faith then you don't know the Word of God." "Calvinism is heresy." "Arminianism isn't true." "What do you mean you are a pre-triber?" "It's ridiculous to think that there will be a post-tribulation rapture. You don't know what you are talking about."

Over and over and over again for 12 years. Why can't we just worship Jesus together? For what it's worth, I never said a disparaging word in this thread about WoF. Bendito asked why people had a problem with it, and I provided a couple of links that answered that question. I didn't use my words (which you reminded me of several times) because I don't want to get into an argument over it. Sure I have some disagreements with some of the tenets of WoF - just like I have disagreements with some of the tenets of the Baptists, and the Lutherans and the Pentecostals, and the Methodists, and the Catholics. Are you getting the picture? I have disagreements over some of the tenets of organized religion! The only thing that I agree 100% with is the Bible. That means sometimes I may disagree with you, and sometimes I may disagree with Bendito, and sometimes I may disagree with my wife - but it doesn't mean I love you any less!

So, I don't care about "movements" or "religions" or any of that other bunk that everyone loves arguing about on Internet forums. As long as you believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins and was resurrected, that He is our Lord and Savior, and that the Bible is the infallible Word of God, then you are my brother or sister in Christ and I love you!

Love ya brother and will reply in the pm as well. Now is the crick frozen over ?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Faith is NOT hope. Hope is what the world does. Oh I hope it happens or I hope it works out and so forth.
FAITH is the SUBSTANCE of "things" hoped for. With out "REAL WORD" FAITH there is NO Substance in your hope and it is nothing more then a wish.

This "Substance" is the key to victory or defeat or from victory to victory
Faith is not a denomination or doctrine or something you need to get out when needed. NO! Faith is a life style intended to be lived by every beleiver 24/7/365. Scripture tells us the Just shall live by Faith.

Now this living by faith is not just saying I have faith or I have faith in God and His word. NO ! Faith is something we need to be using in everything all the time. So what is this Faith that is to be our Life style?
Well to grasp this answer we must understand what the Substance of Faith really is and is not. We must understand How Faith is intended to operate in and through each beleiver. We need to grasp what all pertains to Faith and what is required of Faith in order for faith to operate as Faith was created to operate.

We must understand what "things" limit Faith and make Faith void of power and results desired.
These are the things we should be talking about - the things that matter most to Faith.
God Bless
James

 

[KingJ]

If it was beaten to death, my friend, there might be fewer people sniping at it and more people living by faith. Don't you think so?
The thing is not positive confession but 'lining your speaking up with what God says'

When I first learned that even Christians have authority over demons, there was the vast majority of churches claiming 'Heresy!' Now there are many churches that believe it now and more all the time.. Churches claiming 'A Christian can't have a demon' Yet more and more Christians are getting delivered from demons....
Many many churches have build doctrines on a single verse and have been WRONG..Now they are starting to learn the truth of our salvation....
Where is it wrong to live by the Word of God? Is that heresy? I think not.

You believe Christians can be demon possessed?

 

[KingJ]

I'm sorry you took it that way, Jim, but I'll address that in a private message. I'll I want to say here is,

My frustration over this - not just this thread, but 12 years worth of hanging out in Christian forums and why I left them for many years - is all of the arguing and bickering over who's right. "Well, If you don't believe in Word of Faith then you don't know the Word of God." "Calvinism is heresy." "Arminianism isn't true." "What do you mean you are a pre-triber?" "It's ridiculous to think that there will be a post-tribulation rapture. You don't know what you are talking about."

Over and over and over again for 12 years. Why can't we just worship Jesus together? For what it's worth, I never said a disparaging word in this thread about WoF. Bendito asked why people had a problem with it, and I provided a couple of links that answered that question. I didn't use my words (which you reminded me of several times) because I don't want to get into an argument over it. Sure I have some disagreements with some of the tenets of WoF - just like I have disagreements with some of the tenets of the Baptists, and the Lutherans and the Pentecostals, and the Methodists, and the Catholics. Are you getting the picture? I have disagreements over some of the tenets of organized religion! The only thing that I agree 100% with is the Bible. That means sometimes I may disagree with you, and sometimes I may disagree with Bendito, and sometimes I may disagree with my wife - but it doesn't mean I love you any less!

So, I don't care about "movements" or "religions" or any of that other bunk that everyone loves arguing about on Internet forums. As long as you believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins and was resurrected, that He is our Lord and Savior, and that the Bible is the infallible Word of God, then you are my brother or sister in Christ and I love you!

Such a word of wisdom here John. Well said.

 

[RJ]

Faith grows when you read the Word...ALOUD...Faith cometh by hearing

• Jesus doesn't speak to you when you read his word?!
• You don't believe that God gave you " a measure of faith"?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

• Jesus doesn't speak to you when you read his word?!
• You don't believe that God gave you " a measure of faith"?

That measure of faith must be developed and perfected. Like everything else of God - it starts with a seed and must grow and be nourished or watered and fed by the written word of God and then put forth into being or action.