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Women teaching in the Church today?

Are women allowed to teach in the body of Christ today? This is a major problem in the Church today, only because we do not understand the scriptures, so we have “LOGICALLY ANALYTICALLY” made things up that the Lord never intended, and that by using scriptures to prove it.

The Church's that come “AGAINST” women teachers the most have no problems with women teaching Sunday school classes as if the location or the building size has anything to do with it!!! God's anointing is not limited to any specific place. It makes no difference where the Word is being taught, the Holy Spirit is there to work his miracles whether in a small Sunday school room class or large auditorium!! These Churches are “HYPOCRITES” in their thinking!!

If women were not allowed to speak for God, or under the control of the Holy Spirit, then there should no place in scriptures where we find women doing so, as God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. (He changes not)

The Bible is filled with women speaking under the guidance of the Spirit of God.

Debora was one of Israel,s greatest prophets. She was also the fourth “judge” and the only woman to hold that position for the nation of Israel. She was so loved that the generals of Israel would not go to war unless she went with them to battle!! (Judges chapters 4 – 5) Deborah was a Prophet, military leader, and minstrel for more than 60 years!!

Then we have “Miriam, Huldah, Noadiah, and the Prophet Isaiah's wife, whose name we do not know.
In the New Testament, we have the “prophetess Anna” who lived during the time of Jesus. She would prophesy every day to all who would come unto the temple, and she did this day and night!! (Luke 2:36-38) Now that's what I call a long service record.

We have the very first preacher of the New Testament, who just happens to be “Mary Magdaline” who first saw the risen Lord. Jesus tells her.....

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but GO TO MY BRETHREN, AND SAY UNTO THEM, I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 20:18 MARY MAGDALENE CAME AND TOLD THE DISCIPLES that she had seen the Lord and that he had spoken these things unto her.

Notice: Jesus did not say to her, “go find me a man so he can go and preach the Gospel to my brethren”

But does not the Bible teach that WOMEN are to keep silent in the Church?

1Co 14:34 LET YOUR WOMEN KEEP SILENCE IN THE CHURCHES: FOR IT IS NOT PERMITTED UNTO THEM TO SPEAK, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

In the Greek language, there is no word for “WIFE” so it used the word “WOMEN”. If we read the very next verse we find out that what the Apostle Paul was referring to was not “WOMEN” but “WIFES”!!! verse 35:

1 Cor 14:35 And if they (WIFES) will learn anything, let them ask their HUSBANDS at home: for it is a shame for women (WIFES) to speak in the church.

It is pretty annoying for anyone whether it be a husband or wife to speak when a Church service is going on.

1Ti 2:11 LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE WITH ALL SUBJECTION.
1Ti 2:12 BUT I SUFFER NOT A WOMAN TO TEACH, NOR TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression
1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


Here again, we find Paul is NOT talking about all women, he is talking about “WIFES”, and “HUSBANDS” which is why he mentions Adam, and Eve who were husband and wife!!


Man is the head of his wife, but only in a “MARRIAGE” CONTRACT!!! I am a man, but I am not the head of any other women except for my wife!! I am surely not the head of any other man's wife, as that would cause a lot of bad feelings, and fights among the Church members. :smile:


If a “HUSBAND” does not take his God-given right to be the head of his family in marriage, I can tell you for sure the “WIFE” will step up to the plate and take on that responsibility her self, and I don't blame her, neither does God.


Man is only the head of his wife in “marriage”, but he is not the head of his wife in Christ!!! There is no “MALE” or “FEMALE” in the Lord!!! (Gal 3:28) Christ is the head of the women in the same way Christ is the head of the man in the Lord!! It was very common during the days of Jesus, that women were much less educated than men, but today we do not have that problem as all men and women are equally educated.


1Tim 3:1 This is a true saying, If a MAN desires the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Tim 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;


The word, “MAN” does not mean “MALE”!!! It means “WHOEVER, WHOSOEVER, or ANYONE”!! We just assume it means a “MAN” (Male). Then it says, that person must be the “HUSBAND” of one wife. This does not mean that this person (WHOEVER, WHOSOEVER, ANYONE) hast to be a man. It says if this person happens to be a MAN, then he must be the husband of just one wife.

Paul does not mention that a woman would have this problem because it was very easy for a man to divorce his wife for almost no reason at all. Women did not have that luxury, under the Old or New Testament, so he does not need to mention it here.

When we find the word “MAN”, or “HE” in these scriptures these words do not mean “MALE” but whoever, whosoever, anyone. The word HE simply means he, or she, or a person.

If the Lord God did not want “WOMEN” to speak or teach in the Church, then he should have told the Holy Spirit not to come upon them (women) so that they can!! All 120 people in the upper room along with ALL the WOMEN spoke in tongues on the day of Pentecost, declaring the Wonders of God to all who heard them out in the streets and that in a Church setting!!!


Psa 68:11 The Lord gives the word; THE WOMEN WHO ANNOUNCE THE NEWS ARE A GREAT HOST: (ESV)
 
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Thank you for sharing this @Curtis

A very interesting and informative study.

I will look into this on a personal level....as much ministry I have come under has forbidden women to speak.
 
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I really don't want any person being the head of me. We've been married almost 40 years and I can't say my husband is the head of me. It's just not necessary. I consider us a team. I don't think we need to change the way we are to each other, but we definitely DO submit to each other.
 
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Women teaching in the Church today?

Are women allowed to teach in the body of Christ today? This is a major problem in the Church today, only because we do not understand the scriptures, so we have “LOGICALLY ANALYTICALLY” made things up that the Lord never intended, and that by using scriptures to prove it.

The Church's that come “AGAINST” women teachers the most have no problems with women teaching Sunday school classes as if the location or the building size has anything to do with it!!! God's anointing is not limited to any specific place. It makes no difference where the Word is being taught, the Holy Spirit is there to work his miracles whether in a small Sunday school room class or large auditorium!! These Churches are “HYPOCRITES” in their thinking!!

If women were not allowed to speak for God, or under the control of the Holy Spirit, then there should no place in scriptures where we find women doing so, as God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. (He changes not)

The Bible is filled with women speaking under the guidance of the Spirit of God.

Debora was one of Israel,s greatest prophets. She was also the fourth “judge” and the only woman to hold that position for the nation of Israel. She was so loved that the generals of Israel would not go to war unless she went with them to battle!! (Judges chapters 4 – 5) Deborah was a Prophet, military leader, and minstrel for more than 60 years!!

Then we have “Miriam, Huldah, Noadiah, and the Prophet Isaiah's wife, whose name we do not know.
In the New Testament, we have the “prophetess Anna” who lived during the time of Jesus. She would prophesy every day to all who would come unto the temple, and she did this day and night!! (Luke 2:36-38) Now that's what I call a long service record.

We have the very first preacher of the New Testament, who just happens to be “Mary Magdaline” who first saw the risen Lord. Jesus tells her.....

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but GO TO MY BRETHREN, AND SAY UNTO THEM, I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 20:18 MARY MAGDALENE CAME AND TOLD THE DISCIPLES that she had seen the Lord and that he had spoken these things unto her.

Notice: Jesus did not say to her, “go find me a man so he can go and preach the Gospel to my brethren”

But does not the Bible teach that WOMEN are to keep silent in the Church?

1Co 14:34 LET YOUR WOMEN KEEP SILENCE IN THE CHURCHES: FOR IT IS NOT PERMITTED UNTO THEM TO SPEAK, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

In the Greek language, there is no word for “WIFE” so it used the word “WOMEN”. If we read the very next verse we find out that what the Apostle Paul was referring to was not “WOMEN” but “WIFES”!!! verse 35:

1 Cor 14:35 And if they (WIFES) will learn anything, let them ask their HUSBANDS at home: for it is a shame for women (WIFES) to speak in the church.

It is pretty annoying for anyone whether it be a husband or wife to speak when a Church service is going on.

1Ti 2:11 LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE WITH ALL SUBJECTION.
1Ti 2:12 BUT I SUFFER NOT A WOMAN TO TEACH, NOR TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression
1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


Here again, we find Paul is NOT talking about all women, he is talking about “WIFES”, and “HUSBANDS” which is why he mentions Adam, and Eve who were husband and wife!!


Man is the head of his wife, but only in a “MARRIAGE” CONTRACT!!! I am a man, but I am not the head of any other women except for my wife!! I am surely not the head of any other man's wife, as that would cause a lot of bad feelings, and fights among the Church members. :smile:


If a “HUSBAND” does not take his God-given right to be the head of his family in marriage, I can tell you for sure the “WIFE” will step up to the plate and take on that responsibility her self, and I don't blame her, neither does God.


Man is only the head of his wife in “marriage”, but he is not the head of his wife in Christ!!! There is no “MALE” or “FEMALE” in the Lord!!! (Gal 3:28) Christ is the head of the women in the same way Christ is the head of the man in the Lord!! It was very common during the days of Jesus, that women were much less educated than men, but today we do not have that problem as all men and women are equally educated.


1Tim 3:1 This is a true saying, If a MAN desires the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Tim 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;


The word, “MAN” does not mean “MALE”!!! It means “WHOEVER, WHOSOEVER, or ANYONE”!! We just assume it means a “MAN” (Male). Then it says, that person must be the “HUSBAND” of one wife. This does not mean that this person (WHOEVER, WHOSOEVER, ANYONE) hast to be a man. It says if this person happens to be a MAN, then he must be the husband of just one wife.

Paul does not mention that a woman would have this problem because it was very easy for a man to divorce his wife for almost no reason at all. Women did not have that luxury, under the Old or New Testament, so he does not need to mention it here.

When we find the word “MAN”, or “HE” in these scriptures these words do not mean “MALE” but whoever, whosoever, anyone. The word HE simply means he, or she, or a person.

If the Lord God did not want “WOMEN” to speak or teach in the Church, then he should have told the Holy Spirit not to come upon them (women) so that they can!! All 120 people in the upper room along with ALL the WOMEN spoke in tongues on the day of Pentecost, declaring the Wonders of God to all who heard them out in the streets and that in a Church setting!!!


Psa 68:11 The Lord gives the word; THE WOMEN WHO ANNOUNCE THE NEWS ARE A GREAT HOST: (ESV)
The issue, however WAS NOT "women teaching" since in the Jerusalem CHurch no such restriction was made. Women Taught, were PROPHETS, and in one case possibly an APOSTLE. The issue was EPhesus - the epicenter of Diana/ Artimis worship. ANd in THAT society, WOMEN (who supposedly were created FIRST, and were the one with the "Spiritual horsepower") were faced with CHristianity, which tossed EVERYTHING they thought they knew Culturally into a cocked hat. NATURALLY Paul wouldn't want Women so heavily propagandized in a totally PAGAN CULT to try exerting their "Spiritual muscles" by teaching UNTIL they became FULLY GROUNDED in the Christian Faith, and had shed all their cultural baggage for rthe MATRIARCHAL SYSTEM that was DIana/Artimis worship.

That Paul was partially unsuccessful is evidenced by the incredible "Blessed Virgin" heresies that Rome teaches.
 
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There's a passage where he says they have to be quiet, but an explanation is that he quotes those men saying that. The law says that she must be quiet. There is no such law in the Bible. I asked a Messianic Jew, cause they know the law. There is no such law. Only in the Talmud there is a law that says that they have to shut up.
So first he says let's all have something and then all of a sudden women shut up and then: or did it only reach you? He doesn't say that to the women. He says that to the men who say: the talmud tells you to be quiet. God's Word did not only reach the men. This is about prophecying and the daughters from Philip prophecied.


26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for [h]edification. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. 30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of [i]confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

34 Let [j]your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

36 Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? 37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But [k]if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Lol but if noone understands what I'm trying to say I can better let them speak:




A woman’s voice is prohibited because it is sexually provocative” (Talmud, Berachot 24a).
It is a shame for a woman to let her voice be heard among men” (Talmud, Tractate Kiddushin).[SUP]xxvi[/SUP]
It is not difficult to see the similarities between these prohibitions against women from the Talmud and the “law” Paul refers to in his letter to the Corinthians:
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
 

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