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Whos is the Ruler of this World, God, Satan or Man?

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I found the question that was posted online, an interesting one, and one that you would think is rather simple to answer.
I found that it is not so simple for many folks out there. So, that being said, I'm putting it out there to hear, and hopefully
see Scripture supporting ones position. Also, if there are disagreements here. Please let's do it in the nicest of ways! For
we are brethren, in Christ Jesus! Let's show the Love, as we grow in Grace with God's Word!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Ephesians 6:12 - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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Jesus is Lord! If this is true, then all things must be under Jesus authority. See the first chapter of the letter to the Colossians.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
 
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Who is is the Ruler of this World, God, Satan or Man?
The scriptures clearly give rule of this world to satan and the fallen angels UNTIL the return of Christ Jesus who will then set up his throne on Mount Zion and the government will be upon his shoulders. Then satan and his lot will be put away into the abyss - deposed from their thrones.

Ephesians 2:2 wherein ye once walked according to the age of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience;
Ephesians 6:12 For our wrestling is not against blood and flesh, but against the principalities, against the authorities, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spirituals of the wickedness in the heavenlies.
John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.
John 14:30 I will no more speak many words with you, for the prince of the world cometh: and he hath nothing in me;
John 16:11 and of judgment, because the prince of this world hath been judged.
2Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
 
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Deuteronomy 32:7 Remember the days of old; consider the years of many generations; ask your father, and he will show you, your elders, and they will tell you.
32:8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
32:9 But the LORD's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage.
The ruling of the various nations and peoples were to be by spirit beings BUT not Jacob (Israel) for they belonged to God as his portion through Abraham.
 
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Jesus is Lord! If this is true, then all things must be under Jesus authority. See the first chapter of the letter to the Colossians.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Dear Brother,
I highlighted the part I would ask a question of you on.
Is it still possible that Jesus as the Son of God, has given the ability to rule the earth to Satan, while still having "For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible" so that at this moment it is Satan that Rules the Earth, though at this time in a limited fashion?

Side note: This brings to my mind the parable of the Landowner mentioned in Matthew 21:33, Mark 12:1, and Luke 20:9. I realize that it was said for another purpose, but it would appear to me the premise is basically the same.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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When God created Adam, He gave dominion or rule of the Earth to Adam...
When Adam bowed his knee to Satan, he gave dominion over to Satan
When Jesus died and went into the Earth He took the keys from Satan, then gave them back to Adam...Us.
We have dominion in the Earth. Its all in the bible...
 
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When God created Adam, He gave dominion or rule of the Earth to Adam...
When Adam bowed his knee to Satan, he gave dominion over to Satan
When Jesus died and went into the Earth He took the keys from Satan, then gave them back to Adam...Us.
We have dominion in the Earth. Its all in the bible...
Dear Brother,
Care to provide Scripture supporting what you've written above. Not that I'm saying it's not true, but Scripture verses just statements presented as such, do very little in instructing one as it pertains to the Word.
Thanks in advance.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Dear Brother,
Care to provide Scripture supporting what you've written above. Not that I'm saying it's not true, but Scripture verses just statements presented as such, do very little in instructing one as it pertains to the Word.
Thanks in advance.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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When God created Adam, He gave dominion or rule of the Earth to Adam...
Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Then Adam bowed his knee to Satan
Genesis 3:12-14 King James Version (KJV)

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.


13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

When you bow your knee to anyone, you acknowledge the other's superior position, and subject yourself to them.

When Jesus died and went into the Earth He took the keys from Satan, then gave them back to Adam...Us.

Matthew 16:19

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Keys signify authority / rule....Whatsoever we declare legal on Earth....We set the laws....and we do it according to our Fathers standards....That's another reason we're on Earth....to train to rule with Him in eternity.
 
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I found the question that was posted online, an interesting one, and one that you would think is rather simple to answer.
I found that it is not so simple for many folks out there. So, that being said, I'm putting it out there to hear, and hopefully
see Scripture supporting ones position. Also, if there are disagreements here. Please let's do it in the nicest of ways! For
we are brethren, in Christ Jesus! Let's show the Love, as we grow in Grace with God's Word!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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If we get into the nitty gritty it is not a simple question.

We see here that the earth was / is the devil's to give.

Matt 4:8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

Then in 1 Pet 5:8 we see that even though he 'owns' earth he is still needs to report into / fall under the rule of God.

1 Pet 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he '''may'' devour.
 
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splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”[/BIBLE]

Then in 1 Pet 5:8 we see that even though he 'owns' earth he is still needs to report into / fall under the rule of God.

1 Pet 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he '''may'' devour.
The Earth was the devils at that time when he tried to tempt Jesus but Jesus took it away from him...then gave the keys to us. Matthew 16:19
 
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The Earth was the devils at that time when he tried to tempt Jesus but Jesus took it away from him...then gave the keys to us. Matthew 16:19
That verse says keys to heaven and 'similar' power to what God has in that we can ''forbid and permit'' in both heaven and earth. It does not say the devil is no longer the ruler of earth.
 
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The Earth was the devils at that time when he tried to tempt Jesus but Jesus took it away from him
It does not say the devil is no longer the ruler of earth.
Well if the earth is not under rule by satan then why is everything so bad, so wicked, so un-Godly??
The world still belongs to the adversary - those fallen beings who oppose God's plan for our redemption and ultimate salvation.
Only when Jesus returns in power and glory and satan and his lot are thrown out into the abyss then Jesus will rule by government the entire world from Jerusalem.
In this present age God is calling Christians to come out of the world, to deny worldly passions and lusts, to seek treasure in Heaven, to be noticeably different from worldly peoples.

Psalm 2:4 He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord holds them in derision.
5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath, and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6 “As for me, I have set my King on Zion, my holy hill.”
7 I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you.
8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.”
10 Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
 
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Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain.
2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshipped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
 
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Then in 1 Pet 5:8 we see that even though he 'owns' earth he is still needs to report into / fall under the rule of God.

1 Pet 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he '''may'' devour.
Dear Brother,
You repeated the verse above. Was there another verse you had intended to type there or were you breaking it down a little more?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
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Dear Brother,
You repeated the verse above. Was there another verse you had intended to type there or were you breaking it down a little more?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
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Breaking it down. I wanted to emphasize the ''may'' devour.
 
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That verse says keys to heaven and 'similar' power to what God has in that we can ''forbid and permit'' in both heaven and earth. It does not say the devil is no longer the ruler of earth.
I know that you do realize that we CANNOT declare anything legal or not legal without having the ruling power to do so. We do not allow anything if we are slaves. You're just testing that. Right?
 

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