Thanks for asking this Bendito. Here is the scripture:Revelation 12:1-5 Who is the Woman? and who is this man child? What do you think? Why is the child caught up? And the woman left?
Ephesians 2:14-16(CJB)Ok How about...The woman is the Church and the man child is the one new man....The bride of Christ
Many modern-day Christians do not have a full grasp of their Hebrew roots—the Jewish roots of their faith—and therefore are missing the blessing of a deeper understanding of what is rightfully theirs. It would be as if you knew your earthly father, but did not know of his heritage—your rightful inheritance. Your father’s heritage is important in making him who he is, and thus in making you who you are. Your inheritance must thus be claimed in order to have full-value in your life! Our experiences mold us, and our heritage shapes us. In the same way, Christianity was birthed out of the Jewish faith, and yet we have long-since strayed from where we came.Ephesians 2:14-16(CJB)
14 For he himself is our shalom — he has made us both one and has broken down the m’chitzah which divided us 15 by destroying in his own body the enmity occasioned by the Torah, with its commands set forth in the form of ordinances. He did this in order to create in union with himself from the two groups a single new humanity and thus make shalom, 16 and in order to reconcile to God both in a single body by being executed on a stake as a criminal and thus in himself killing that enmity.
I have to say.. this is a bizarre thread, hard to follow.Ok How about...The woman is the Church and the man child is the one new man....The bride of Christ
Oh my! The woman IS the church as you say...(now you're sure to get your knickers in a knot, and probably everyone else too. but I'm not trying to provoke a fight) The manchild is the bride of Christ. Who comes out of the church...The bride has made herself ready...Her lamp is full of oil...and many many other scriptures that say this.....The rest of the church, not being ready will have to face the great tribulation...All those who received Jesus into their hearts will be saved but not all of Christians will be part of the Bride.....The bride is the part of the church who has made 'herself' ready.....Asking Jesus into our hearts does not make us ready. What makes us ready is the constant submission to His Word....I have to say.. this is a bizarre thread, hard to follow.
If the woman is the church, does that mean the church gave birth to Jesus?
Rev 12:5; And [the church] gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and [the church's] child was caught up to God and to His throne.
This makes no sense. In order to use a term as a contextual metaphor, the metaphor has to make sense through the entire train of thought.
You then switch over and say that the "man" is the new man (Christians).
Does this mean, that Christians will rule the earth (with a rod of iron) for 1,000 years? Where is Jesus during this time?
Rev 12:1; A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;
Rev 12:2; and she was with child; and she *cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.
Rev 12:3; Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems.
Rev 12:4; And his tail *swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.
Rev 12:5; And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
Rev 12:6; Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Then your last two posts go off into Christians being one with the Jews. So you are saying the woman is the church (who gave birth to Jesus)
which is a mixture of Gentiles/Jews who are all actually Jews?
Hmmm... what tribe does the church belong to? If you look at Rev 7, the chapter is divided into two parts.
Rev 7:1-7; is about (some of) the Jews that will go to heaven. Rev 7:9-17; is about (some of) the Gentiles (from every nation) that will go to heaven.
All Jews (in fact the majority) are not Christians. But it seems the majority will be at some point in the future.
Rom 11:25; For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
Rom 11:28; From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;