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Who Are We?

Discussion in 'Water Cooler' started by Sue J Love, Jan 31, 2018.

  1. The Lord Jesus led me today to read the transcript of President Donald Trump’s State of the Union Address of January 30, 2018. I got about half way through reading it when the Lord said to stop, and that I had read enough, and that it was time for me to write what the Lord thinks about it.

    The state of our union, of the USA, is not the picture Donald Trump paints for the American people to believe. The picture he paints is the one he wants people to believe. But, this picture he paints is like a stage prop, which is something used in a performance (an act) for creating or for enhancing a desired effect; to enhance (strengthen) the act (pretense, deception) to make it appear more authentic (true, real) than what it truly is.

    Our president appears compassionate, loving, kind, thoughtful and genuinely concerned about the American people and the people of this world. He went into great detail to describe the many tragedies, disasters, mass shootings, floods, pain, hardships, fires, and storms, etc., which took place this past year or so here in America.

    And, then he went on to say that each of these situations we faced as a nation has “forged new American heroes to remind us of who we are, and show us what we can be.”

    So, the Lord has given me here a picture of who we are, as a nation and government and people and church - mainly the institutional church - although certainly not describing every single individual or every individual church congregation here in America. But, for those churches who have united with this government via the 501c3, they are culpable for what our government has done and is doing here in the USA and across the world.

    Who are we?

    O God, insolent men have risen up against me;
    a band of ruthless men seeks my life,
    and they do not set you before them.
    But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious,
    slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness.
    Turn to me and be gracious to me;
    give your strength to your servant,
    and save the son of your maidservant.
    Show me a sign of your favor,
    that those who hate me may see and be put to shame
    because you, Lord, have helped me and comforted me.
    Ps. 86:14-17 ESV

    The US government, number one, is not the true government of these United States of America. We are ruled by a relatively small number of the elite, powerful and wealthy of the world, of which Donald Trump is a part. This shadow government of the elite is the de facto government of the USA. The government we believe to be our government is the prop, and it is empty of any real power and authority. Instead, it serves this shadow government in doing its bidding in bringing the world underneath the rule of the beast and a one-world religion. This is the clear vision of D. Trump.

    So, who are we as a nation? Well, from the very onset of the forming of our nation we were designed to be the catalyst to bring about the rise of this beast of Revelation and to bring the world at large into submission to this beast. This is evident in our national symbols, in our national monuments and statues, in the layout of Washington, D.C., and in the eclectic and syncretistic religious beliefs involved in the founding of our nation.

    This is also evident through the actions of our leaders and our military who have gone and are going throughout the world, and including within our own nation, killing, destroying, obstructing, deceiving, lying, manipulating, ravaging, raping, confiscating others’ lands and possessions, and overtaking governments via coups and via orchestrated “natural” disasters, floods, fires, storms, uprisings, terrorist attacks, and false flag operations, etc.

    Many innocent people throughout the world, including many Christians, are suffering much abuse and persecution at the hands of the US government.

    Although our national leaders and their military force, both public and private (secretive), are the world’s bullies and terrorists, they paint a picture of our military as our heroes who are our salvation and whom we should worship, as well as they paint a picture of themselves and our government as also worthy of our worship of them (vow of fidelity with hand over heart). And, then they paint all those opposed to them as our enemies or as the terrorists whom we are supposed to then hate and fear, but this is a lie!

    So, what is their goal in all of this? Donald Trump stated it well when he said, “Tonight, I call upon all of us to set aside our differences, to seek out common ground, and to summon the unity we need to deliver for the people we were elected to serve.”

    But, the “unity” he is speaking of is unity with this beast and with its one-world totalitarian government and false religion. Obama and Pope Francis preached the same message. They want us to get rid of everything which divides us as a people so that we can come together as one people, with one voice, and with one heart and mind. But, the unity is with the beast, and it means denying our Lord and rejecting his gospel, because they divide us!

    On a national, governmental and church level, generally speaking, we have become grossly immoral, wicked, deceitful and deceived, idolatrous, degenerate, enslaved to sin, godless, spiritually adulterous, depraved, vile, corrupt, self-absorbed, and/or addicted to self-pleasure, oftentimes disregarding who gets hurt in the process.

    As a nation, and as the church in this nation, overall, we are fallen, and we are in great need of revival and of being brought to account for our actions. Again, this is an overall picture, not describing everyone in this nation, but it is the vast majority. This is like in the days of Noah, when God had him build an ark to save lives before the Lord destroyed the earth with a flood.

    Who can we be?

    Teach me your way, O Lord,
    that I may walk in your truth;
    unite my heart to fear your name.
    I give thanks to you, O Lord my God, with my whole heart,
    and I will glorify your name forever.
    For great is your steadfast love toward me;
    you have delivered my soul from the depths of Sheol.
    Ps. 86:11-13 ESV

    What I have just described above is who we are, as a nation, but who can we be? By the grace of God, we can humble ourselves before our Lord Jesus, repent of (turn from) our sins, and turn to follow our Lord Jesus in full surrender to his will for our lives, from this moment forward. Through faith in Jesus Christ we can die to what once bound us and we can walk in the Spirit in absolute freedom from the control of Satan, the flesh and sin. And, in the strength and power of the Holy Spirit now living within us, we can walk according to the Spirit in holiness, purity, righteousness, integrity, honesty and uprightness till Jesus takes us home. Amen!

    The choice is ours. We can choose to unite with the beast and the flesh, or we can choose to unite with the Spirit and with righteousness. We can choose to unite with the slave woman or with the free woman. We can choose to continue to control our own lives and to do what pleases us, or we can choose to come under the control of the Holy Spirit through yielding our lives to God in full submission. If we choose the way of the flesh, we choose death, no matter what we profess outwardly with our lips. But, if we choose the way of the Spirit, and death to sin, then we choose life with God everlasting. Time is running short. Please decide today whom you will serve.

    Jesus, I am Resting, Resting
    Jean Sophia Pigott

    Jesus, I am resting, resting,
    In the joy of what Thou art;
    I am finding out the greatness
    Of Thy loving heart.
    Thou hast bid me gaze upon Thee,
    And Thy beauty fills my soul,
    For by Thy transforming power,
    Thou hast made me whole.

    O, how great Thy loving kindness,
    Vaster, broader than the sea!
    O, how marvelous Thy goodness,
    Lavished all on me!
    Yes, I rest in Thee, Belovèd,
    Know what wealth of grace is Thine,
    Know Thy certainty of promise,
    And have made it mine.

    Simply trusting Thee, Lord Jesus,
    I behold Thee as Thou art,
    And Thy love, so pure, so changeless,
    Satisfies my heart;
    Satisfies its deepest longings,
    Meets, supplies its every need,
    Compasseth me round with blessings:
    Thine is love indeed!

    Ever lift Thy face upon me
    As I work and wait for Thee;
    Resting ‘neath Thy smile, Lord Jesus,
    Earth’s dark shadows flee.
    Brightness of my Father’s glory,
    Sunshine of my Father’s face,
    Keep me ever trusting, resting,
    Fill me with Thy grace.

    Jesus, I am resting, resting,
    In the joy of what Thou art;
    I am finding out the greatness
    Of Thy loving heart.

    Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 9:52 a.m. – Thank you, Jesus, that you are God, and that you are completely sovereign over all that you made. Thank you for your grace and mercy to us. I pray for my nation and for the church in my nation for revival, that hearts may turn away from their sin and turn to you in faith, repentance and obedience to your will and to your ways.
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  2. Hey Sue I wonder about Trump ? I know for certain I believe what you said is 100% true of Hillary and Obama just being puppets to the elite who pull the strings in our gonv. And the same people who pull the strings in the Gonv I would say also control the news media, and thats what brings me to my wondering about Trump. The news media always covered for Oboma and Hillary as my guess would be that the elite group that controls them dictates that. But they hate Trump and what he stands for and what he is doing they say nothing good about him. So I have to wonder is he really part of the elite group you are speaking of? Why wouldn't the elite group just put HIllary into office if they had that much control and speed the process up of the final destruction of the america ? the actions of Trump from what I have seen have been for the people. He is against all the stuff Obama was for like Global warming I would think anyone part of the elite group would be required to promote global warming??

    Anyways I have no doubt things will only get much worst and the gonv in general is run by the elite even if Trump is not or if he is, he will not have enough power to do anything to turn things around as the bible says the one world religion and the one world Gonv is certain and that I have no doubt our gonv and the pope will play a major role in bringing it all togeather.

    Not arguing with with you sister as I love you as a sister in Christ, just wondering how it seems Trump goes against most everything the elite stand for as in Global warming trump does not support it, Trump is pro Israel the elite is against them, the elite pro muslim, trump hold them accountable, the elite higher taxes trump just lowered taxes for the majority of americams, elite pro oboma care, trump is currently in the process of dismantling obomacare, so I just am not certain he is with them??
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  3. Dave M - It is all part of the deception, the act. Trump is an actor, and he is playing a role, but he is also part of the elite, the wealthy and the powerful of this world. He is pretending to be for and against certain things, but if you read his goals and his purposes they are the same as that of Obama and the Pope, which is to bring us all together as one people under one government and to have one mind, heart and voice, and it is to deceive the American people and the people of this world into thinking he is not like all the rest, and that he really cares, but it is a lie.

    The Lord Jesus helped me see this, in one respect, through the eyes of the wife of an addict, for truly my husband was all these things, too, and yet he projected to everyone else that he was the opposite of who he really is. So, it is not that hard for me to imagine someone doing that, i.e. giving off the impression of one thing while living another - the opposite. And, that, I believe, is what Trump is doing. So, we can't trust his words, or what he says he is doing, but we can look at his actions and the overall message he is conveying underneath all the "fluff," and if we look carefully, we see that his end goal is the same as his predecessors, which is to bring about this rule of the beast and to bring the world into submission to it, which is why he is pushing, and Obama and the pope were pushing this "togetherness," i.e. this unity with them in heart and mind.

    Thank you for your comments. I do appreciate them, even if you disagree with me. :) I love you as my brother in Christ. So, all is good!
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  4. @Sue J Love
    I would add with regard to our current president, that it does not all have to an act on his part. Within the real powers of men, there is also disagreement as there has always been disagreements among those within each group which really opposes God. In some, if not all, of these disagreements I can see the working of the left hand of God to accomplish His purposes in His time.

    Trump is not here to save the world or you or me by any means, but his getting into his present position has slowed a little the inevitable ascendency of the ways of men led by beastly powers along beastly ways. This allows a little more time, for those who will, to get inside the Ark of God before it is too late for them.

    The ones who are given a little more time, are not only the ones who do not believe in God at all, but those who found in lukewarm places or who having lost their first love are now guided by a delusion as what God is doing and what He is not. It all comes back to this for anyone who really wants to be in the right place at the right time:

    "But seek ye first [1] the kingdom of God, and [2] his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33

    Too many who believe in a measure are NOT putting first things first. Notice the two priorities in the above verse! People are giving priority to things which should be left in the "all things shall be added unto you" part. They are trying do God's work instead of staying where He wants them to be.
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  5. I particularly like these last 3 paragraphs. Thank you @amadeus2 for sharing your thoughts here on this subject.

    I have a question. You said something here about the "left hand of God." I am curious about that, because I had a dream the other day which I believe to be from God where I felt it was the left hand of God guiding someone, not a believer, and I wondered what that meant. I am very familiar with scriptures having to do with the right hand of God, but not the left hand. Could you supply scriptures for me on this subject? Or, how did you come to learn about the left hand of God?
  6. "And Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel's left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near unto him.
    And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn." Gen 48:13-14

    The first born should have had the right hand laid of his head, but notice that Israel wittingly put his right hand on the head of the second born. This simply means that God knows what we are and what we are to be. That is which is expected may be reversed because of circumstances or some special part of God's plan.

    "And the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and the priest shall put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot:" Lev 14:14

    "Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy." Ex 15:6

    "And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
    And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them." Deut 33:1-2

    So who is this right hand of God or the One at the right hand of God?

    "But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
    And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God." Acts 7:55-56

    "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left." Ecc 10:2

    "And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?" Jonah 4:11

    "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
    That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly." Matt 6:3-4

    And where or what is the left hand of God?

    "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:" Matt 25:32-34

    "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" Matt 25:41

    There many other scriptures, especially in the OT regarding the hand of God. The right hand is often specified and is easy to see, while the left hand is not so clear. The above quoted verses from Matt 25:32-41 are the best ones for seeing what the end results for each is to be. We really do not want to be the left hand of God or end up as one of the goats. God uses goats as He uses sheep, but 100% better to work as a sheep.

    Consider that Moses was working from or as the right hand of God, while, Pharaoh was working from or as the left hand of God. God will use whoever makes themselves available to accomplish His work. He did not make Pharaoh goat. Pharaoh did that to himself and God uses that man's choice to accomplish the negative aspects of His plan.

    Consider these words of Jesus:

    "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
    Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire." Matt 18:7-8

    The man by whom the offence comes is the one who put himself in place to do the left hand work of God. How long should a man remain double minded, working first with God [the right hand], but then also at times working for God [the left hand]. We [believers] don't usually [if ever] consciously work for God as his left hand, but He uses that which is available to do that which needs to be done. Sometimes curses are necessary because of what a person did or did not do.

    "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." James 1:8

    "Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded." James 4:8
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  7. @amadeus2 - Thank you so much! This really helps. It makes perfect sense. Sorry I am just now getting back to you on this. I thought I had responded, but obviously I didn't. This helped me to understand something the Lord was showing me the other day about the left hand, and this also fits with something he is showing me today, too, so perfect timing for me to read this again, for I needed to hear this today, too. It puts some pieces of the puzzle together for me.
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