PloughBoy
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I wish it would hurry up but at the same time I have love ones that are not “born from above” I long for Christ return, I pain for the salvation of my love ones. I do not want them to be left here. I do know He is Sovereign. But it does not keep the tears from falling. No one knows the time or hour.
PloughBoy
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He has pre- tribulation. Information wrong, mix with the 2nd coming of Christ. The Rapture Christ never comes back to earth. We are caught up for the Wedding feast. The 2nd coming HE comes back with us with the Angels to the earth. How are the Angels going to gather us up in the book of Matthew if we are caught up. In a twinkle of an eye. God does not need any Angel to gather us . The Trumpet will sound ,twinkle of an eye then the coronation. 7 years we come back. We reign with Christ for a thousand years. Some people get save during our thousand reign with Christ some don’t You do not need a bible teacher to know that. Just keep reading your bible. You see it in Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Daniel, Malachi. You see, that is one of the awards [blessing] of God for reading the word of God from front to back multiple times as well as regular study of Gods word. The light comes on and you see whole pictures like a big puzzle, or a painting hanging in a museum. “ He is a rewarded of those diligently seeks Him”. I know some Christian have a desire to teach so bad but they need to keep their mouths shut and read, and read their bibles using a good translation and one that is more word for word translation from front to back over and over and over and over again. With a good bible encyclopedia like “ISBE”. Then they will see , the more, they know, the more they don’t know! Then they might shut up. This is the 21st. Century we are beyond the computer age. Just Read, Read the Holy Scriptures. The Spirit will guide you. These so called teachers are like the “shepherds” in the book of Ezekiel!
If you do, you will fall in love with The Bible! That means you will fall in love with God and try to please HIM and not “yourself”! And not try to please yourself!It is Also true that through teaching a person Is in God's Word more -- learns as they teach. When I read and read, I have a desire to share with someone what I'm reading. No reason for anyone to be 'shutting up' when it comes to God's Word. No one is ever going to know All of God's Word "well enough' in order to be able to share effectively.
Respectfully I disagree that he's pre-tribulation, this video teaches about the post-tribulation rapture and he says so at the beginning so I don't really understand. I believe in the post-tribulation rapture and I can prove it myself with scriptures because I've done the research.
I am one who believes in the pre-tribulation rapture. That the Church / all born-again believes / will be taken up in the twinkling of an eye -- will meet Jesus Christ in the air. And Then the 7 yr period of tribulation which includes the Great tribulation period of time during the last 3 1/2 yrs And Then.........
And no one knows When the rapture will take place -- only the Father in heaven.
We are presently living in those end times. We see what's happening in the world around us. The increase of more and more 'stuff'.
And those coming 7 yrs. are another chance for non-believing Jews to come to Christ.
And no one knows When the rapture will take place -- only the Father in heaven.
We are presently living in those end times. We see what's happening in the world around us. The increase of more and more 'stuff'.
And those coming 7 yrs. are another chance for non-believing Jews to come to Christ.
Bill
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I dont agree with pretrib rapture . What is the point of all the scripture if all we do is the great escape . Isnt this the same teaching as JW's in the 60's and 70's .
Wheb we are told to carry our cross and when its too much to give it up to God . Where does the Rapture teachings teach this .
And why bother telling only the unChristain about not taking the mark of the beast . What is the point . If a person is unChristian do you think they are going to bother reading the Bible .
No , the writings in Scripture are for Christians , and the True rapture will come when Jesus returns.
The rapture of the Church is Not a 'great escape' -- it's Jesus Christ coming for His Church and giving the non-believing Jews their 2nd chance to accept Him as their Messiah.
I have no clue as to the J.W.'s teachings of any time in history.
God'sWord Does tell us to bear one another's burdens. And we Are to take This life of ours and share the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen and there Will be suffering / trials / tribulation as a result.
The rapture teaching isn't a 'teaching' -- it's an event that is told about in Scripture. And it will take place.
You might be surprised at how many non-Christians Do read the Bible and Don't believe it.
Jesus Will return in person to this earth and reign for 1,000 yrs. That is a Fact . The other Fact is when He returns only in the sky and takes all born-again believers both those who've died and those who are alive -- up to be with Him.
the mark of the beast 666 takes place during the 7 yrs. of tribulation -- when the non-accepting Jews will have their 2nd chance. Those are the people who either will or won't take the mark.
I have no clue as to the J.W.'s teachings of any time in history.
God'sWord Does tell us to bear one another's burdens. And we Are to take This life of ours and share the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen and there Will be suffering / trials / tribulation as a result.
The rapture teaching isn't a 'teaching' -- it's an event that is told about in Scripture. And it will take place.
You might be surprised at how many non-Christians Do read the Bible and Don't believe it.
Jesus Will return in person to this earth and reign for 1,000 yrs. That is a Fact . The other Fact is when He returns only in the sky and takes all born-again believers both those who've died and those who are alive -- up to be with Him.
the mark of the beast 666 takes place during the 7 yrs. of tribulation -- when the non-accepting Jews will have their 2nd chance. Those are the people who either will or won't take the mark.
B-A-C
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Rev 7:9; After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
Rev 7:10; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."
Rev 7:11; And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
Rev 7:12; saying, "Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen."
Rev 7:13; Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14; I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Notice it says here.... not just Jews... it says from every nation, tribe and tongue. This includes Gentiles, and could be "mostly" Gentiles.
These are people who "came out of" the great tribulation. They weren't raptured before the great tribulation. They aren't just Jews.
Matt 24:20; "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.
Matt 24:21; "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
Matt 24:22; "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
Matt 24:23; "Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him.
When the great tribulation happens, the "elect" will still be on the earth. In fact the days will be "cut short" during this time, for the.. "sake of the elect".
Matt 24:29; "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matt 24:30; "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
It is "after" the tribulation of those day... that Jesus will return and gather up His elect.
Rev 7:10; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."
Rev 7:11; And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
Rev 7:12; saying, "Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen."
Rev 7:13; Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14; I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Notice it says here.... not just Jews... it says from every nation, tribe and tongue. This includes Gentiles, and could be "mostly" Gentiles.
These are people who "came out of" the great tribulation. They weren't raptured before the great tribulation. They aren't just Jews.
Matt 24:20; "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.
Matt 24:21; "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
Matt 24:22; "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
Matt 24:23; "Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him.
When the great tribulation happens, the "elect" will still be on the earth. In fact the days will be "cut short" during this time, for the.. "sake of the elect".
Matt 24:29; "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matt 24:30; "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
It is "after" the tribulation of those day... that Jesus will return and gather up His elect.
B-A-C
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It says the thing in Mark.
Mark 13:19; "For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
Mark 13:20; "Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
Mark 13:21; "And then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ'; or, 'Behold, He is there'; do not believe him;
The "elect" will still be here during the tribulation. Again the days will be shortened "for the sake of the elect".
Mark 13:24; "But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
Mark 13:25; AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken.
Mark 13:26; "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory.
Mark 13:27; "And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
Again... "after " that tribulation... that is when He will forth His elect.
Mark 13:19; "For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
Mark 13:20; "Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
Mark 13:21; "And then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ'; or, 'Behold, He is there'; do not believe him;
The "elect" will still be here during the tribulation. Again the days will be shortened "for the sake of the elect".
Mark 13:24; "But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
Mark 13:25; AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken.
Mark 13:26; "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory.
Mark 13:27; "And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
Again... "after " that tribulation... that is when He will forth His elect.
@B.A.C. -- Just prior to that -- vs 4 "And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed;" the passage continues to name each tribe and that 12,000 came from each tribe to be sealed.
This period of time being talked about 'vs 14 "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation......" remember, though, that the Jewish population had been scattered through out the nations all around them. The Jews as a national group refused to accept Jesus Christ as their Promised Messiah. They are the Only ones' who will have a chance to convert. Or Maybe those who were simply too young to make that decision at the time of the rapture. They will have been growing up
Scripture Also says that those who refused to listen Earlier will have a delusion given to them. They will be told 'something' by the person in authority and it - a lie- will be believed. They will have no second chance.
Mark 13:10 "And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations.
We don't know who the elect are.
Some of that Is confusing. Depending on what part of the world a person lives in -- conditions are Already very bad.
This period of time being talked about 'vs 14 "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation......" remember, though, that the Jewish population had been scattered through out the nations all around them. The Jews as a national group refused to accept Jesus Christ as their Promised Messiah. They are the Only ones' who will have a chance to convert. Or Maybe those who were simply too young to make that decision at the time of the rapture. They will have been growing up
Scripture Also says that those who refused to listen Earlier will have a delusion given to them. They will be told 'something' by the person in authority and it - a lie- will be believed. They will have no second chance.
Mark 13:10 "And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations.
We don't know who the elect are.
Some of that Is confusing. Depending on what part of the world a person lives in -- conditions are Already very bad.
PloughBoy
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Take note: when the “Call out ones” are remove from this world. “The Restrainer” or He that “Restrains” will remove the “Restraints” off. “Humankind will turn on one another” then in the last 31/2 years (Jacobs trouble) which is the Great Tribulation! It will be nothing like the Earth has ever known. Then the Lord [2nd coming] will Return with Angels and the Saints of God, which includes those who died in the “Great tribulation” already. But if the days would not be shorten, the Saints of that time period who are still living in the “Great Tribulation” couldn’t make it. Then The Lord bound that old Serpent and those Demons for a thousand years. Then in that thousand year reign on earth some believe some didn’t , even though Jesus was reigning with a “Iron Scepter” ! It all has been foretold . That’s all I’m going to say. Read the whole bible then God will show you. If you don’t read it like you should, you will be “toss by every wind or doctrine”. Always looking what some other person or some others teachers has taught you. If only produces confusion upon confusions and then you spread confusion. But if we all read our books and God teach us, one God, One Spirit, one guide , one Lord, one Shepherd, one flock.
B-A-C
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The Jews might be every tribe, but they aren't every nation. The 144,000 are not the ones in the white robes. That is very plain.
Rev 7:9; After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
144,000 is a number that can be counted.. obviously this is a much bigger number than that.
It's funny whenever a portion of scripture doesn't agree with someone's beliefs... it's suddenly "confusing". Just try taking it for what it says, without twisting it or making it say something it doesn't say, and it's easy to understand.
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B-A-C
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One thing for sure if “The Rapture” Pre-trib., is going to occur, it has nothing whatsoever to do with those portions of The Bible” you are referring to.
Agreed, so there are three passages about "when" the rapture will be. They all say "after". I have yet for anyone of here to show me one single verse that says it will be "before" the tribulation.
I am pretty sure I can come up with at least two more passages that say it will be after.
B-A-C
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Rev 9:3; Then out of the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4; They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
Rev 9:5; And they were not permitted to kill anyone, but to torment for five months; and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man.
So who are these people with the "seal of God on their foreheads" during the tribulation? Aren't they Christians?
Rev 9:4; They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
Rev 9:5; And they were not permitted to kill anyone, but to torment for five months; and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man.
So who are these people with the "seal of God on their foreheads" during the tribulation? Aren't they Christians?
