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spirit1st

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Joh_11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

We die at Salvation then never die again , our Flesh , we do Not ! We being the spirit man within !

Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
2Co_4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.


Joh_14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh_14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Gal_4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.



Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,




Jas_2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Php_1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
2Co_5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Gen_3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Our Flesh mind and body , return back to the Earth ! It part of this planet ,not the house And Family of GOD !

Heb_12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

We Worship Him though our spirit and the truth we have ?


1Co_14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son,

Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Revealing , the spirit is the Child of GOD !

It ONLY our New Spirit that is FREE of SIN ! our flesh dies a sinner !
. Rom_6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Joh_17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh_17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

It Only our Spirit that is No longer part of this world !

Eph_3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

Because part of us are Here in these dying flesh bodies and part there in there new bodies !

Rev_6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Had too have there new bodies to wear robesRev_6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Rev_7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev_7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Rev_19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Some of these come out of the great tribulation , They died in it ! Others were raisen as they died , like paul and peter and those He freed from Hell ! abraham and David and others ?

This is ALL of US Returning from New Jerusalem , too rule the Earth under our LORD JESUS !

Jud_1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
1Th_4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
 
When a Christian dies their body sleeps till the resurrection at the appearing of Jesus. At that time the sin nature is removed from the body so mortality can put on our spiritual body which contains our spirit. At death our spirit goes to the lord and receives a spiritual body.

2 Corinthians 5:6-8
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

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1 For we know that if our earthly house (body) of this tabernacle were dissolved (dead), we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house (spiritual body) which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality(earthly body) might be swallowed up of life (eternal spiritual body).
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
When we die or sleep our body goes temporarily to the grave and our spirit goes to the Lord.

7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

When Jesus comes back at his appearing, our dead body will be resurrected and our spiritual bodies will be put on or swallowed up as a cloak.

9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1 Corinthians 15:50-55
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Our spirit will not die it is immortal but our body will die or sleep, so it is the body that will be changed and resurrected.

53 For this corruptible (earthly body) must put on incorruption (spiritual body), and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 
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I been Dead Both ways ! as a sinner and then later as a true Born -again child of GOD !
We Go Right to New Jerusalem , soon as this body dies 1 So Quickly we do not have time to think even one thought ! That our Home soon as we are Born into God family !

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The carnal mind cannot understand ! It all Spiritually discerned !

1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


We DO NOT have the Power to open peoples minds to the truth ! Only the Holy Ghost can make them SEE !

If you can see it ? It because GOD revealed it to you ! You are blessed !


1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Too late after death ! we must be Born again Now while we live in the flesh !
We cannot confress with our Mouth after we are DEAD !

Today the day of Salvation !
2Co_6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Act_7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.


Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


1Co_15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;



This Means His body was destoryed ,Gone Forever more ! pretty sure David is One of the 24 Elders in Heaven right now !

Act_13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption

We know , He was not sleeping ! just was not working on earth anymore! He was in Hell . freeing the captives !
1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
 
JESUS DID NOT DIE to make our flesh perfect ! He died that we could be made New Spiritual beings !
The flesh dies and rots away . Back to the dust of the Earth it belongs too ! It part of this defiled lost Planet !

Our Spirit never sleeps ! God is a Spirit being as He made Us !
 
1Co_15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

We know He was not sleeping ,like we count sleep ! there is no soul sleeping !
In hell they see each other and talk ! In Heaven , They see each other and talk 1 there are scriptures that show them talking and lifting up haNDS AND SINGING AND WEARING ROBES AND MORE ! They must have there New bodies to do these things !

He does not gather up our ASHES or Dust and make a body out of this junk !

This scripture is perfect truth !
Gen_3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

He does not Ever make new things out of Old Evil sin filled junk !
Which our flesh is !

Heb_11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

This Scripture Reveals our flesh is DEAD too GOd ,because of Sin ! He only changes our spirit at salvation ! It the Only part of our being that has Eternal life !

there is nothing good in our flesh !

Rom_7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:

Rom_9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

1Co_15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
We ALL need HIM to reveal the correct understanding of All scriptures to us ! But WE must want truth and be able to reject the false teachings we have gotten !

It Very hard for the Spirit of Truth to get us to see the correct understand , once we have accepted anything as truth , which is not the truth !

i have had a very hard time with a number of scriptures in my life time ! Understand ,our Spirit is the child of God , Where He dwells and never leaves por forsakes was one of them !

We all love our flesh !
 
Very good posts Spirit1st.

I have noticed an absence of understanding on TJ about
the difference between the Spirit of God within and the
flesh itself.

We walk by the Spirit, we are led by the Spirit, we have
Christ within. All things are possible and all things have
been granted to us in Christ.

Keep hammering the separation of the flesh and the
Spirit, some will understand eventually Spirit1st. It
is not really possible to understand the scripture without
an understanding of the works of the flesh and the works
of the Spirit.

Your work is not in vain!
 
Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Gal_6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

Phm_1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.


Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Our spirit Will always follow HIS Spirit!
Our new spirit is just like our LORD JESUS 1 with His type mind and nature! It Only wants to please our Lord LIKE JESUS DID !

He was the Last Adam ! adam meaning beginning ! Evereyone made like the first Adam dies [Our Flesh]

Everyone made like the last adam ,JESUS CHRIST !Can Never die or sin

Joh_11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 
Reading on a few verses in Romans 8 Paul writes...

"For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved."

It seems pretty clear to me here that God's plan is not just for the spiritual. It embraces everything. The whole of creation will be brought into freedom. Paul's hope is in the redemption of his body, not redemption from his body. That's why Jesus' resurrection is so central. Most people in history have had some sort of belief in immortality or an afterlife. What makes our faith distinctive is our hope that God will redeem the whole of creation - our bodies included.
 
God made the New Testament so the carnal mind or natural mind would not understand !

It All Spiritually Discerned !

2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The question is simple ? How does God make New Things ?

Heb_11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

It must be From Perfect things or Nothing !

And that why , there are So many different understandings of scripture ! different Religions ? different understandings !


There is Only one understanding that is correct ! The one Revealed by his Spirit , Not our understandings !

Pro_3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

How Do we trust in the LORD ? We Ask HIm in Faith !


This scripture here confirms that ? EVERYTHING we see is temporal ! Meaning Nothing we see with our Eyes is eternal ! Not hard to then see our flesh is doomed forever !

2Co_4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

That scripture reveals ? Nothing we see on earth is how we are going too look !
But we see How He looks in daniel and Revelations ! that how our new heavenly bodies will be !

1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.


Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Co_15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
That Pretty Clear ! It raised a spiritual body not flesh and blood body !

1Co_15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


doth corruption inherit incorruption

Eph_5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
I think most Love there bodies !


Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

I think ? that is the requirement for salvation !

We Must accept the Blood and Give our testimonies [Not be ashamed ] and Not love our lives ,more than HIM !

Many do Love there lives here very much ! God did noit tell me this ! I just think it !
 
Hi Spirit1st. You've quoted from 1 Corinthians 15. If you read on (As Eric Stahl did earlier in the thread)

I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

“Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”



The picture here is not of God doing away with the physical stuff of creation and giving us a disembodied spiritual existence beyond the grave. No - our bodies which are now subject to death and decay will be transformed, renewed, redeemed so that they are no longer perishable.

The idea that there is a soul apart from the body comes from Greek philosophy (Plato) not from the Bible. God has made us a whole - body and soul. The opposite of "spiritual" is "unspiritual" not "physical". That's why sins against the body are so serious - if our bodies were just vessels to carry our souls to the gates of the Kingdom then sinning against the body would not be such a big deal.

(Or am I completely misunderstanding you?)
 
I have too disagree ! No ones flesh body is going to be in New Jerusalem ! or on the New earth or new heavens !

Death is really separation from God ! Life is a Eternal relationship with GOD as Father and Friend !

God Does not create using old junk ! He is Creator ! He does not need old junk to make New perfect things !

Our flesh minds and bodies go back to the earth ! they came from the earth ! they return to the earth !

Many think they sinfilled flesh with be remade ! They will not !


Our house from heaven is our New Body !
2Co_5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

Rev_21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.

He Creates All things over again ! He does not use any old stuff !
Why would He ? He is CREATOR !


Tell me One good reason , He should or needs to make this same weak flesh again , this time perfect ?

Listen they already have there bodies , that have gone to heaven ! But there flesh bodies are still here rotting away !

Act_13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:

Corruption Means He rotted away !

He makes Us a New creature , gives us a New Body , a new name , a job , a crown for our head , a kingdom , And More that we do not even know yet ?

Rev_2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Rev_3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

We get a New Name , Because we are New Creatures , a new being ! the New Being must get a new Body !

This whole planet and everything on it is Defiled by Sin and Must be destoryed 100% !!!

That Why He makes All things New !

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death
The Wages of Sin is still Death ! That why our flesh dies and so does this planet and the heavens ! They All defiled by Sin 100%

That why we see all these metorites in space ! It all dying here and in space !


Sin has killed everything we see 100%

2Co_4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Only the things we DO NOT SEE are Eternal ! It so clear here in this scripture !

Joh_17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh_17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Beacuse everything in this world is evil 100%

Our spirit once born of GOd is perfect and leaves this world and the weak sin filled body behind Forever more !
 
If life after death is not spiritual it becomes very difficult to understand the emphasis on resurrection in the gospels the book of Acts and the epistles. If all that matters is our spirit and the body is junk, why it would not be particularly important for Jesus to demonstrate that he had risen in his body. Yet after the resurrection, Jesus assures the disciples he is not a ghost, accompanies disciples on walks, eats fish, lights fires, offers many convincing proofs that he was alive.

Reading through Acts, time and time again it is the resurrection that the Apostles preach - not a spiritual afterlife in heaven.
 
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God Does not create using old junk ! He is Creator ! He does not need old junk to make New perfect things !
Our flesh minds and bodies go back to the earth ! they came from the earth ! they return to the earth !
Many think they sinfilled flesh with be remade ! They will not !

Our soul is still the same soul.. It is not a "new soul". Our flesh is just an "earthly tent" for our soul.

2 Cor 5:1; For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 Cor 5:2; For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven,
2 Cor 5:3; inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked.
2 Cor 5:4; For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.
2 Cor 5:5; Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge.

We are not re-incarnated into a "totally" new being. Our bodies change, and minds change, but our soul remains.

1 Cor 15:40; There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another.
1 Cor 15:41; There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
1 Cor 15:42; So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;
1 Cor 15:43; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
1 Cor 15:44; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1 Cor 15:45; So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1 Cor 15:46; However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
1 Cor 15:47; The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.
1 Cor 15:48; As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.
1 Cor 15:49; Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.
1 Cor 15:50; Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
1 Cor 15:51; Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
1 Cor 15:52; in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
1 Cor 15:53; For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Cor 15:54; But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory.
1 Cor 15:55; "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?"

Moses and Elijah were still recognizable. Were their bodies the same? I don't know but I think not, but their soul was the same soul as when they were on the earth.

Matt 17:2; And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.
Matt 17:3; And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Matt 17:4; Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

1Co 15:19; If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.
1 Cor 15:20; But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
1 Cor 15:21; For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
1 Cor 15:22; For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

Even Jesus was recognizable after his resurrection. In the story of Lazarus and the rich man, they recognized each other and they recognized Abraham.
In the story of Saul and the witch of en-dor both Saul and the witch recognized Samuel.

1 Sam 28:11; Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" And he said, "Bring up Samuel for me."
1 Sam 28:12; When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice; and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul."
1 Sam 28:13; The king said to her, "Do not be afraid; but what do you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I see a divine being coming up out of the earth."
1 Sam 28:14; He said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped with a robe." And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and did homage.
1 Sam 28:15; Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am .... [ rest of verse omitted ]

Our bodies will be changed, our works may be burned up, but our souls remain.

1 Cor 3:15; If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
 
I should add, even non-believers souls remain. Their bodies get destroyed also.

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
 
Our Soul is our Mind ! our new creature [New spirit ] has a new perfect mind 1 The mind of Christ jesus , but as a baby !


1Co_2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
That Type mind is in our new Spirit [Hidden m

And Also His perfect type nature , That why our new Creature [Inward man ] Cannot sin !

2Pe_1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

It Only our Spirit that Born of GOD !
This is the SEED we are Born of God Of

1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever

Rom_8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit,
He knows if our New soul is like our LORD JESUS or NOT ?


We are A spirit being with a mind [soul] dwelling in a Earthly made body !

This is Where GOD Dwells in mankind ! Only those Born of GOD [Born again ] [born from Above ] [Born of the Spirit ] It a spiritual birth ! Has nothing to do what soon ever of the Flesh ! The flesh is not changed at Salvation! same old dying sin filled body !

This is Some of what takes place at Salvation !
Eze_11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze_18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze_36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Then His Spirit dwells in our Spirit Forever more ! His Spirit is His Power , He shares with His Family !
That why we can do the miracles in the Mighty name of our Lord Jesus Christ ! Of course it always HIS POWER that does it !

Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Because it Only our Spirit after Salvation that is His Holy perfect Child Forever More !

Jesus did not die for our flesh mind or body ! He died That We could be Made a brand New Heavenly Being , Like HIM !

God wanted a Family made like Jesus to share His vast Kingdom with !

We are New Born babies at born again like any New birth !

1Pe_2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

Heb_5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

1Co_3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Some do not grow much in truth , because they are taught by carnal thinking people ! It All spiritually Discerned !

We Never get upset with our family in the LORD , Because they Do not Understand !

God Loves them as much as any of Us !

We are All a Spirit being !
Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness !

1Co_15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Heb_2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

This scripture Reveals ? Part of Us are in Heaven with Jesus and Part here Now !

Eph_3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

This reveals ? Paul Knew to die in the flesh or Leave the flesh ! He would be with Jesus in New Jerusalem !
Php_1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:


Listen ? We never dump one scripture for another ! They all work Perfectly together with the correct understanding !

If One scripture appears to disagree with another ? EWe have the wrong understanding 1 But we have the Holy Ghost to ask for the correct understanding ! He our teacher !

1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

We Must ask and Believe He will tell us or reveal it in some way ? Because He Does!
 
What takes place at death is the opposite from what happened during Creation. The body returns to dust and the spirit, or breath, returns to God who gave it. The Bible clearly teaches that the "spirit" that returns to God is simply the breath of life, which God breathed into man in the beginning. The word the Bible uses for 'spirit' in the OT is the Hebrew חור ruwach and in theNT is the Greek word πνευμα pneuma, from which we derive the word pneumatic, a general expression for all things powered by air. The spirit is merely the breath of life that is given to us at birth, and that when taken returns to God who gave it. Creation is a simple mathematical equation. Body + spirit = living soul.
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Note that man became a living soul, he was not given a living soul. When we die, the entire person dies. There is no part thereof that continues at a different address.

Death is the opposite of creation.. Body-spirit =death. If we are to accept that the spirit has a life of its own after the death of the body, then we must also logically accept the equally erroneous and heretical belief that the self same spirit had a life of its own prior to our birth. The belief the spirit is naturally immortal is a Greek philosophical belief that Judaism and Christianity roundly refutes.

Job 27:2 As God liveth, who hath taken away my judgment; and the Almighty, who hath vexed my soul;
3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;
4 My lips shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit.


Job 33:3 My words shall be of the uprightness of my heart: and my lips shall utter knowledge clearly.
4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.


Why is it that Christians today prefer to repeat the lie of Satan in the garden (thou shalt not surely die) rather than the words of God (in the day ye eat thereof thou shalt surely die). Who is the liar here? When God said Adam would die He wasn't kidding around. He didn't add "but don't worry about that you will continue to live in the 'spirit' elsewhere". When God says death, He means it!

Behold all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine; the soul that sinneth it shall die. But if a man be just...hath walked in my statutes and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly , he is just,he shall surely live saith the Lord...the soul that sinneth, it shall die... Ezek. 18.

Immortality was promised to Adam on one condition. Obedience. Adam however lost that privilege through disobedience, sin. Thus his access to the tree of life was forfeited by his transgression. Adam could not transmit any state of immortality to his children why? Because he did not possess it himself. The only hope of immortality for the human race is through faith in Christ, and it is only at the second coming, at the last trump, that this mortal being is clothed with immortality.

The opposite to death is life. The opposite to eternal life is not eternal life somewhere else, it is death.
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life; he that believeth not the Son shall not see life. John 3:36.

Four key points, each one irrefutable and unarguable:
  • The scriptures are absolutely clear, that God only is immortal. 1 Timothy 1:17; 6:16.
  • Man: body, soul, and spirit, is mortal. He has to be mortal if only God is otherwise, and remember, God is Spirit. Thus if God is the only immortal Spirit, then how can man's so-called 'spirit' be immortal?
  • Immortality comes to man as a gift. Romans 6:23.
  • This gift is given to mankind as a group exercise. That is all receive it at the same time, regardless of how long they have been dead. Immortality, or eternal life, is given to man at the second coming, John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
    29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
    See also 1 Cor. 15:51-53; 1 Thess. 4:16.


Note that we don't hear from heaven or hell or purgatory, but we are still in our graves when we hear the voice of Jesus calling us to come forth, just as Lazarus heard from his grave and obeyed the voice of God calling him to life.

One more point regarding King David. Certainly the Bible makes it clear that he is saved. But where is he? In heaven? The folowing text has been previously quoted: Acts 2: 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
However, a little further on we read: 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:
David, like all others with but few exceptions (Enoch, Elijah, Moses eg) is still in the grave awaiting the resurrection.

Life and death I say again are complete opposites. When the Bible speaks of death as the result of sin it is speaking to an eternal everlasting death from there is no rescue, no resurrection, no hope, and most significantly, no life, anywhere any time. Death is the complete absence of life. It is an utter cessation of existence except in the memory of the Creator.
The only hope for man is the direct, creative, miraculous intervention of God through the resurrection. This hope and promise was what motivated the apostles and was the central theme in most of their sermons and letters. It is the hope of the gospel.
The Bible is clear that death is the result of sin, and that it is a separation from God. Now ask yourselves. If one is separated from the only source of life, how can he continue to live?
 
It NOT BREATH ! We are All a Spiit being ! But Adam and eve were created from the dust of the earth ! They Were Never what we are Now ,if we are Born of God perfect SEED ?

We are Made New Creature , Just like our Lord JESUS ! They could sin as well as the angels !

Our Inward man , our New Creature , our Spirit cannot sin ever !
It made Just like the last adam JESUS CHRIST!

God started a Brand New race of beings ! Those Born of God 1 Just like our lord JESUS CHRIST!

God is a Spirit as we all are 1 but only perfected after salvation !

Heb_10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Prefect meaning our Spirit has NO FLAWS !
It cannot sin !

Eph_4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

This is the Prefect image our New spirit is Like 100%
Rom_8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
At Salvation !

God could Not find a better image to make our New Creature like , but our LORD JESUS ! That why Jesus shares His throne with us and is Not ashamed to call us Brother !
And Why we judge the fallen angels and the entire world ! Because our new creature [Spirit] Thinks like Him 100% !
Just does not have the knowledge when born into GOD family and household!
It must grow and it feeds on GOD living words !


Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

1Pe_2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
 
The flesh mind or we can say the natural mind Not going to understand this ! It takes a act by the Holy Ghost to reveals these deep trues to us !
Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Just as The Holy Ghost revealed this to Peter !
If you can see it ? Your very blessed by GOD !

but even so , God can reveal it later when your able to accept it ?
 
Romans 8:10
If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin,
yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
 
Amen DHC !
Praise the LORD ! GOd has given the Few Willing a Very High place in His Kingdom ! satan wanted to share GOD place , God refused it 1
Now our Creator is willing to share with us !
This upsets the devil very much ! he sees man kind as weak and easy decieved ! God gone one step beyond , recreating us as our Lord and Savior Jesus christ !
The New Creature He makes the few willing is just like Our Lord JESUS ! Thank You Father God !

Our future is Wonderful , Far more than any of us know ! The little we knoiw sounds great ! Yet He has Far more for us !

1Co_2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Mat_22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Few will give Him , His rightful place as LORD ! It not the giving HE wants ! It the relationship !

Many think they can buy there way in by giving ! It a lie !

How many dads and moms just want a loving relationship with there children ? Our Father is the same !

1Co_1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
And we ASK the Spirit of truth in Faith ! He will teach each of us ! He has never failed me and i am no more than the least in His body and true Unseen Church !
listen , talk too Him lots about everything ., Nothing is too big or even too small ! you can talk with Him anytime in Your mind or with your mouth 1 He waits 24/7 , It Important too Him and hopefully to Us ?
 
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