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Baptism by immersion is following the example in Matthew 28: 19-20
It is a person's public testimony that he has already made the decision in his heart as to what Jesus Christ did on the cross. A person is being buried in to Christ and rising out of the water to live a "new life" in Christ.
Wrong again...and you said you were not deceived. Here is what God tells you to your face...


Romans 6:3
Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

If you are not water baptized, then you are NOT "in Christ," because water baptism is the ONLY Scriptural way of entering into Christ. That is why Peter says that you must repent from sin AND receive water baptism for the forgiveness of sin...because if you are not in Christ, then you are NOT forgiven...no matter what you believe.

When we live by our bias, rather than by what the Scriptures teach, we end up in eternal fire.

Baptism is NOT "a person's public testimony" as you claim, and...BTW...that is more false doctrines straight out of calvinism, NOT what Scripture teaches. Please show us the verse or passage that tells you that baptism is only personal testimony. I have been reading the Bible for 40 years, and I have NEVER read that verse...
 
Loyal
No one will ever have complete knowledge of God's word. Only God is omniscient / has all knowledge. And surely you would not put either yourself or anyone else in that position...and please, do not keep telling me that my understanding of those scriptures are flawed. You simply are determined that there is more to salvation them there is. Those two scriptures say exactly what they mean. It's about 1 am where I live. Happy Thanksgiving . I'm thankful for God's word and my salvation -- hie about you...
 
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No one will ever have complete knowledge of God's word. Only God is omniscient / has all knowledge.
I agree whole heartedly...but having a "complete" knowledge of "God's Word" are your words, not mine.


And surely you would not put either yourself or anyone else in that position...

No, I would not.


and please, do not keep telling me that my understanding of those scriptures are flawed.

Sure, I will not say it on this subject again...but the facts that I gave you DEMONSTRATE that what you believe is flawed.


You simply are determined that there is more to salvation them there is.

No, I don't add to God's Word. I am a theologian, and have been for years. I know how to study God's Word, and it is obvious that you don't and don't care to, you are content with defending your bias and rejecting the details of God's Word. Fair warning, that does not leave you in a good place.


Those two scriptures say exactly what they mean.

I agree...the problem is that they don't say what you think they say.


It's about 1 am where I live. Happy Thanksgiving . I'm thankful for God's word and my salvation -- hie about you...

Yes, indeed. Happy Thanksgiving...enjoy it, because most likely it will be the last one we have.
 
Loyal
Great --, your a theologian ,,--so was my late husband. And I've been a student of the bible for many years. So you're suggesting that if I dont include baptism by immersion a part of salvation that I would be teaching flawed doctrine. Well I was baptized about a year after having accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior. So you're suggesting that if I would have died during that year that I would have gone to hell. I will take a moment to share a situation that took place many years ago. There was a young lady who visited her grandparents during the summers. One year during a vbs week shbe accepted Christ bas her Savior. She'd gone back to her parents house and told them about it and that she wanted to be baptized. Her parents were Lutheran and she'd been sprinkled as a baby as believed that was all that was necessary. If she still wanted to be baptized when she turned 18 that was up to her. That was many years in the future. So are you suggesting that if she'd died in those years until then, that she would have gone to hell? Because her salvation was not complete? People who accept Christ on their death bed can't be baptized. Surely they aren't doomed to hell.
An uncle of mine had put off salvation his entire adult life. And then he was diagnosed with cancer.hr was finally willing to accept Christ and immediately had a hunger for God's word. Was never able to get baptized though. His nephew led him to the Lord. His regret was that he'd put off salvation all those years cause "now " he wanted more time to read and learn. And I know I'll see him and that young lady. In heaven some day.
 
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Never jump to conclusions when talking about God.

How do you know that God is not the water nor the blood.

We have seen time and again where the litteral and spiritual translation are both God present.

Jesus says , your sins are forgiven = spiritual . Then when challenged , the healing takes place = physical.

Jesus is both the spiritual and physical at the same time. To refer to God then as only spirit, you are forgetting " the Father and I are One "
I would agree Christ in us determines the end of a matter .If we find something new that we were not aware of we should be prepared to defend the faith comparing the spiritual understanding to the spiritual( unseen) .

The witness of God as it is written is always greater than the witness of men . Mankind, limited to what the eyes see .

We are informed that we do not know Christ our anointing teacher as the Holy Spirt after the rudiments of this world, following the vain philosophies of men and not the law of God as it is written . Which as rudiments would include water and blood.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

In Job 9 we are informed that God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly, infallible interpreter set between God not seen and mankind seen .

Job 9 :32-33 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

The literal (temporal seen ) and spiritual (eternal not seen ) translation must be mixed . The literal never becomes the eternal .

The father and the Son of man make up one propmised demonstration . Again taking the literal temporal and mix it with the work of the unseen father. Jesus an apostle and prophet was sent to do the will of the father that worked in Jesus to both will and empower Jesus to finish the one time propmised outward demonstration of the lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world ..

There are no more demonstrations propmised .

Jesus the Son of man prophesying was given words from the Father , your sins are forgiven = spiritual . The Son of man had no power of his own to ether forgive sin or rebuke the legion the father of lies. All power is attributed to our unseen Holy Father the one Holy Spirit of truth

Three thing make up the very essence of our God not seen. God is glorious Light. and not that he can only create the temporal . God is Love and God is Spirit as a Spirit. . he remains invisible.
 
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Great --, your a theologian ,,--so was my late husband. And I've been a student of the bible for many years. So you're suggesting that if I dont include baptism by immersion a part of salvation that I would be teaching flawed doctrine.
No, I am not suggesting that, I am stating that as a Biblical fact.


Well I was baptized about a year after having accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior. So you're suggesting that if I would have died during that year that I would have gone to hell. I will take a moment to share a situation that took place many years ago. There was a young lady who visited her grandparents during the summers. One year during a vbs week shbe accepted Christ bas her Savior. She'd gone back to her parents house and told them about it and that she wanted to be baptized. Her parents were Lutheran and she'd been sprinkled as a baby as believed that was all that was necessary. If she still wanted to be baptized when she turned 18 that was up to her. That was many years in the future. So are you suggesting that if she'd died in those years until then, that she would have gone to hell? Because her salvation was not complete? People who accept Christ on their death bed can't be baptized. Surely they aren't doomed to hell.
An uncle of mine had put off salvation his entire adult life. And then he was diagnosed with cancer.hr was finally willing to accept Christ and immediately had a hunger for God's word. Was never able to get baptized though. His nephew led him to the Lord. His regret was that he'd put off salvation all those years cause "now " he wanted more time to read and learn. And I know I'll see him and that young lady. In heaven some day.

Your bias is blinding you. You have not listened to what I said. I will repeat it for you, please try to listen this time:

According to a strict reading of Scripture, according to the over 300 passages of Scripture addressing salvation, they can almost all be summed up in Acts 2:38 (but not 100% because this verse does not mention faith - because there was no reason to mention faith since in the context, the people HAD come to faith in Christ, which was why they asked Peter what they needed to do in order to get saved)...


Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

So, even according to this verse, if you believe but do not repent, but get baptized, you are not saved. If you believe, but do not repent or get baptized, then you are not saved. It takes all three according to Scripture, and the rest of the 300+ passages that address salvation all say one or more of the three above.

If you husband WAS a legitimate theologian according to the fullness of what that means, then he should have taught you the basics of theology: God does NOT contradict Himself, EVER; ALL Scripture must be harmonized with all other passages addressing the same subject matter; the FACT that God gives His revelation in Scripture PROGRESSIVELY, not all in one place on any one subject. There is no one chapter on salvation, eternal life, or spiritual death...there is no one chapter teaching the complete doctrine of grace, faith, or spiritual gifts - there are many, scattered throughout the NT Scriptures.

What does that mean? It means, regarding the present discussion, that Romans 10:9-10, John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Ephesians 2:8, Acts 2:38 and all of the others that address getting saved MUST be brought together and read as a whole in order to come to the FULL and COMPLETE doctrine of salvation. When you fail to do that, and only take (again) 2 or 3 verses out of those 300+...then you pervert the doctrine and it is no longer the truth but half-truths that lead people into hell.

Again...if the person wanted to be baptized, but her parents (because of the false doctrine they believed) refused to let her receive baptism, then it was out of her hands and God would NOT have condemned her because of her parent's actions. Deathbed conversions generally cannot receive water baptism - again, if the person cannot receive it because something prevents it, like the thief on the cross, or coming to faith in Christ out in the middle of the desert where there is no water, etc., then God will NOT hold that physical limitation against them. If He did, then He would NOT be righteous.

But we know that God is righteous and just - God is NOT legalistic, but He IS legal. He sets the rules, not you or anyone else. When His Word CLEARLY states that one must receive water baptism into Christ in order to be saved, then that is EXACTLY what He says and what He means. Yet again, He is righteous and just.

I was in law enforcement for 25 years as my secular job. If your break peddle got stuck when you were driving your vehicle, and you couldn't stop your car and went speeding down the road because you couldn't stop the vehicle, then I would not be righteous or just if I gave you a speeding ticket, would I? It was something that took place that you had no control over. So is it with God, THE righteous and just God. So I ask, dear lady, please stop only looking at what I said with a divided eye, seeing only what your bias says is right - because most of the time, what our bias tells us is wrong.

Blessings, and Happy thanksgiving.
 
Loyal
You're suggesting a few things that I strongly disagree with. For one thing that you have The correct interpretation of the scripture and that whomever disagrees with you is mistaken.

You're also suggesting that as a theologian , my husband should have taught me correctly. He came to Christ under the same preaching that I was.

My final comment on the subject , I do not feel I need to be taught anything from you, personally. If you feel I'm seeing things through 'divided eyes' then so be it.

I see you as a theologian who feels he has the only correct answers.

Good night.
 
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You're suggesting a few things that I strongly disagree with. For one thing that you have The correct interpretation of the scripture and that whomever disagrees with you is mistaken.
You are mistaken here. First, I do have the correct interpretation because that is what Scripture teaches. The FACT that I gave you what Scripture teaches, and yet you insist that what it says is NOT what it says, tells us much about how you prefer your bias over and above what the Scriptures clearly teach. Nothing you have said or given changes what Acts 2:38 clearly states, and your insistence that it does, tells us a lot about your "spiritual" understanding of Scripture.

You're also suggesting that as a theologian , my husband should have taught me correctly. He came to Christ under the same preaching that I was.
I suggest nothing, I spoke clearly and according to the facts. If he didn't understand these clear, basic tenets of Biblical interpretation...well, then he wasn't much of a theologian.

My final comment on the subject , I do not feel I need to be taught anything from you, personally. If you feel I'm seeing things through 'divided eyes' then so be it.
Yes, indeed. It is a shame that people are bias defenders rather than truth seekers. In such, you believe you have everything right (what you accused me of thinking). The sad truth is, most bias defenders don't make it to heaven, because they are too busy defending the false doctrines that they believe instead of ensuring that what they believe is Biblical truth. So be it...

I see you as a theologian who feels he has the only correct answers.
Then you are still seeing through divided eyes. As I have told many others...I can DEMONSTRATE what I teach with Scripture, just as I have to you. The problem is, as a bias defender, you reject what the Scriptures say...the Scriptures that I gave you. I also gave you the basic...BASIC...principles of Biblical interpretation, and you also rejected those. I do hope you make it...there will be millions of people thinking they were saved and walking with God, who, when they stand before Him on judgment day, will find out too late that their predominance for bias defending cut them off from Christ.

Sad, but very true.
 
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You are mistaken here. First, I do have the correct interpretation because that is what Scripture teaches. The FACT that I gave you what Scripture teaches, and yet you insist that what it says is NOT what it says, tells us much about how you prefer your bias over and above what the Scriptures clearly teach. Nothing you have said or given changes what Acts 2:38 clearly states, and your insistence that it does, tells us a lot about your "spiritual" understanding of Scripture.



I suggest nothing, I spoke clearly and according to the facts. If he didn't understand these clear, basic tenets of Biblical interpretation...well, then he wasn't much of a theologian.



Yes, indeed. It is a shame that people are bias defenders rather than truth seekers. In such, you believe you have everything right (what you accused me of thinking). The sad truth is, most bias defenders don't make it to heaven, because they are too busy defending the false doctrines that they believe instead of ensuring that what they believe is Biblical truth. So be it...



Then you are still seeing through divided eyes. As I have told many others...I can DEMONSTRATE what I teach with Scripture, just as I have to you. The problem is, as a bias defender, you reject what the Scriptures say...the Scriptures that I gave you. I also gave you the basic...BASIC...principles of Biblical interpretation, and you also rejected those. I do hope you make it...there will be millions of people thinking they were saved and walking with God, who, when they stand before Him on judgment day, will find out too late that their predominance for bias defending cut them off from Christ.

Sad, but very true.
Youngster, you have a very bad habbit of saying who makies it to heaven, as if you are a judge. Thank God you are not.

Getting to heaven has nothing to do with knowledge of scripture. In fact, and i hate to say this. The greater your knowledge is on the scripture, the more likely you will be judged more harshly.

It is this very reason that Christians , both catholics and protestants will be punished more harshly than others in the future. Or shall i say , those who claim to be Christians and yet whose hearts are far from God. I can assure you, as One of the Two this will take place.
 
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You are mistaken here. First, I do have the correct interpretation because that is what Scripture teaches. The FACT that I gave you what Scripture teaches, and yet you insist that what it says is NOT what it says, tells us much about how you prefer your bias over and above what the Scriptures clearly teach. Nothing you have said or given changes what Acts 2:38 clearly states, and your insistence that it does, tells us a lot about your "spiritual" understanding of Scripture.



I suggest nothing, I spoke clearly and according to the facts. If he didn't understand these clear, basic tenets of Biblical interpretation...well, then he wasn't much of a theologian.



Yes, indeed. It is a shame that people are bias defenders rather than truth seekers. In such, you believe you have everything right (what you accused me of thinking). The sad truth is, most bias defenders don't make it to heaven, because they are too busy defending the false doctrines that they believe instead of ensuring that what they believe is Biblical truth. So be it...



Then you are still seeing through divided eyes. As I have told many others...I can DEMONSTRATE what I teach with Scripture, just as I have to you. The problem is, as a bias defender, you reject what the Scriptures say...the Scriptures that I gave you. I also gave you the basic...BASIC...principles of Biblical interpretation, and you also rejected those. I do hope you make it...there will be millions of people thinking they were saved and walking with God, who, when they stand before Him on judgment day, will find out too late that their predominance for bias defending cut them off from Christ.

Sad, but very true.
Is it the correct translation, or the correct translation as far as you understand it.

There is a difference. Young Christians go though that stage, like teenagers. " A teen thinks they know everything when they know nothing" .

You leave much out of the equation. The Grace of God for starters. " those who live by the law, yet do not know the law. Have the law written in thier hearts .
 
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I would agree Christ in us determines the end of a matter .If we find something new that we were not aware of we should be prepared to defend the faith comparing the spiritual understanding to the spiritual( unseen) .

The witness of God as it is written is always greater than the witness of men . Mankind, limited to what the eyes see .

We are informed that we do not know Christ our anointing teacher as the Holy Spirt after the rudiments of this world, following the vain philosophies of men and not the law of God as it is written . Which as rudiments would include water and blood.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

In Job 9 we are informed that God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly, infallible interpreter set between God not seen and mankind seen .

Job 9 :32-33 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

The literal (temporal seen ) and spiritual (eternal not seen ) translation must be mixed . The literal never becomes the eternal .

The father and the Son of man make up one propmised demonstration . Again taking the literal temporal and mix it with the work of the unseen father. Jesus an apostle and prophet was sent to do the will of the father that worked in Jesus to both will and empower Jesus to finish the one time propmised outward demonstration of the lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world ..

There are no more demonstrations propmised .

Jesus the Son of man prophesying was given words from the Father , your sins are forgiven = spiritual . The Son of man had no power of his own to ether forgive sin or rebuke the legion the father of lies. All power is attributed to our unseen Holy Father the one Holy Spirit of truth

Three thing make up the very essence of our God not seen. God is glorious Light. and not that he can only create the temporal . God is Love and God is Spirit as a Spirit. . he remains invisible.
Jesus an apostle and prophet was sent to do the will of the father that worked in Jesus to both will and empower Jesus to finish the one time propmised outward demonstration of the lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world ..

There are no more demonstrations propmised .

Jesus the Son of man prophesying was given words from the Father , your sins are forgiven = spiritual . The Son of man had no power of his own to ether forgive sin or rebuke the legion the father of lies. All power is attributed to our unseen Holy Father the one Holy Spirit of truth

Your words above ^

Just a question . Is Jesus only an apostle and prophet to you ?
 
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No, I am not suggesting that, I am stating that as a Biblical fact.





Your bias is blinding you. You have not listened to what I said. I will repeat it for you, please try to listen this time:

According to a strict reading of Scripture, according to the over 300 passages of Scripture addressing salvation, they can almost all be summed up in Acts 2:38 (but not 100% because this verse does not mention faith - because there was no reason to mention faith since in the context, the people HAD come to faith in Christ, which was why they asked Peter what they needed to do in order to get saved)...


Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

So, even according to this verse, if you believe but do not repent, but get baptized, you are not saved. If you believe, but do not repent or get baptized, then you are not saved. It takes all three according to Scripture, and the rest of the 300+ passages that address salvation all say one or more of the three above.

If you husband WAS a legitimate theologian according to the fullness of what that means, then he should have taught you the basics of theology: God does NOT contradict Himself, EVER; ALL Scripture must be harmonized with all other passages addressing the same subject matter; the FACT that God gives His revelation in Scripture PROGRESSIVELY, not all in one place on any one subject. There is no one chapter on salvation, eternal life, or spiritual death...there is no one chapter teaching the complete doctrine of grace, faith, or spiritual gifts - there are many, scattered throughout the NT Scriptures.

What does that mean? It means, regarding the present discussion, that Romans 10:9-10, John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Ephesians 2:8, Acts 2:38 and all of the others that address getting saved MUST be brought together and read as a whole in order to come to the FULL and COMPLETE doctrine of salvation. When you fail to do that, and only take (again) 2 or 3 verses out of those 300+...then you pervert the doctrine and it is no longer the truth but half-truths that lead people into hell.

Again...if the person wanted to be baptized, but her parents (because of the false doctrine they believed) refused to let her receive baptism, then it was out of her hands and God would NOT have condemned her because of her parent's actions. Deathbed conversions generally cannot receive water baptism - again, if the person cannot receive it because something prevents it, like the thief on the cross, or coming to faith in Christ out in the middle of the desert where there is no water, etc., then God will NOT hold that physical limitation against them. If He did, then He would NOT be righteous.

But we know that God is righteous and just - God is NOT legalistic, but He IS legal. He sets the rules, not you or anyone else. When His Word CLEARLY states that one must receive water baptism into Christ in order to be saved, then that is EXACTLY what He says and what He means. Yet again, He is righteous and just.

I was in law enforcement for 25 years as my secular job. If your break peddle got stuck when you were driving your vehicle, and you couldn't stop your car and went speeding down the road because you couldn't stop the vehicle, then I would not be righteous or just if I gave you a speeding ticket, would I? It was something that took place that you had no control over. So is it with God, THE righteous and just God. So I ask, dear lady, please stop only looking at what I said with a divided eye, seeing only what your bias says is right - because most of the time, what our bias tells us is wrong.

Blessings, and Happy thanksgiving.
There is a time to speak and a time to refrain from speaking ,
 
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The bottom line , whether you recieve the baptism or not .

As the baptism is the same as being born a Jew. It becomes a birthright. But if you squander your birthright via sin. Toss your pearls to the swine. Then you are no better than the pagans you condemn. Infact the pagans can at lest claim presence before God, and testify on thier own behalf.

Those Christians who threw thier pearls before swine, will have no say before God.

Did you know, any Christian who takes the Mark of the Beast, will have sinned against the Holy Spirit. As the Scriptures are the Word, they are the Living Spirit in your heart.
 
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Jesus an apostle and prophet was sent to do the will of the father that worked in Jesus to both will and empower Jesus to finish the one time propmised outward demonstration of the lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world ..

There are no more demonstrations propmised .

Jesus the Son of man prophesying was given words from the Father , your sins are forgiven = spiritual . The Son of man had no power of his own to ether forgive sin or rebuke the legion the father of lies. All power is attributed to our unseen Holy Father the one Holy Spirit of truth

Your words above ^

Just a question . Is Jesus only an apostle and prophet to you ?

I would think that is what Jesus the Son of man was to our father .Not only but greatly used .

Jesus the chief apostle and cornerstone of the bride of Christ made of of many lively stones the spiritual unseen house. .

When sufferings for the sins of the world Jesus our brother in the lord cried out ."Abbas father, take way the pain and sufferings but not as I will (the Son of man) but as the you will, Abba . . the one with power .
The apotle paul reconized jesu as the cheif apotle .

The meaning of the word "apostle" has all but been made to no effect by many who look to venerate or eulogize the flesh of corrupted mankind.

2 Corinthians 12:11 I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
 
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I would think that is what Jesus the Son of man was to our father .Not only but greatly used .

Jesus the chief apostle and cornerstone of the bride of Christ made of of many lively stones the spiritual unseen house. .

When sufferings for the sins of the world Jesus our brother in the lord cried out ."Abbas father, take way the pain and sufferings but not as I will (the Son of man) but as the you will, Abba . . the one with power .
The apotle paul reconized jesu as the cheif apotle .

The meaning of the word "apostle" has all but been made to no effect by many who look to venerate or eulogize the flesh of corrupted mankind.

2 Corinthians 12:11 I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
The scripture States in the beginning was the word
I would think that is what Jesus the Son of man was to our father .Not only but greatly used .

Jesus the chief apostle and cornerstone of the bride of Christ made of of many lively stones the spiritual unseen house. .

When sufferings for the sins of the world Jesus our brother in the lord cried out ."Abbas father, take way the pain and sufferings but not as I will (the Son of man) but as the you will, Abba . . the one with power .
The apotle paul reconized jesu as the cheif apotle .

The meaning of the word "apostle" has all but been made to no effect by many who look to venerate or eulogize the flesh of corrupted mankind.

2 Corinthians 12:11 I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; sorry my fingers and the computer don't always like to agree with each other
 
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I would think that is what Jesus the Son of man was to our father .Not only but greatly used .

Jesus the chief apostle and cornerstone of the bride of Christ made of of many lively stones the spiritual unseen house. .

When sufferings for the sins of the world Jesus our brother in the lord cried out ."Abbas father, take way the pain and sufferings but not as I will (the Son of man) but as the you will, Abba . . the one with power .
The apotle paul reconized jesu as the cheif apotle .

The meaning of the word "apostle" has all but been made to no effect by many who look to venerate or eulogize the flesh of corrupted mankind.

2 Corinthians 12:11 I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Okay let's try this again.

In the scriptures it states. In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the Word was God.

So here we know something called the Word has equality with God.

The scripture goes on and states. The Word became flesh and dwelt Among Us.

In the scripture Jesus States that the father and I are one.

To look at Jesus is only the chief priest or the Apostle of God would be a gross misunderstanding of who Jesus is.

Jesus is God
 
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Okay let's try this again.

In the scriptures it states. In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the Word was God.

So here we know something called the Word has equality with God.

The scripture goes on and states. The Word became flesh and dwelt Among Us.

In the scripture Jesus States that the father and I are one.

To look at Jesus is only the chief priest or the Apostle of God would be a gross misunderstanding of who Jesus is.

Jesus is God
Yes in the beginning God spoke the word of God . This shows us the written word was spoken and then God powerfully moved men to write it as it is written .The power of prophecy, the declared will of God is after no man.

In the scripture Jesus states that the father and I are one they together provided a outward demonstration of the unseen work of the father who worked in Jesus the "apostle" (one sent by the father to do the will of our unseen God" .

It would be gross misunderstanding to think the Son of man did not come to do the will of God as the chief apostle prophet a messenger sent with the revealed will of the Father, the gospel .

If the Father did not send Jesus the Son of man with the power of His word then who did sent Him ?
 
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Youngster, you have a very bad habbit of saying who makies it to heaven, as if you are a judge. Thank God you are not.
LOL! This "youngster" says what Scripture teaches. God is black and white, there are no gray areas.

Getting to heaven has nothing to do with knowledge of scripture. In fact, and i hate to say this. The greater your knowledge is on the scripture, the more likely you will be judged more harshly.
More correctly...you will be judged more harshly if you are teaching Scripture, particularly if one has not been called, ordained, and gifted by God to fulfill the church office of teacher.

It is this very reason that Christians , both catholics and protestants will be punished more harshly than others in the future.
I hate to break this news to you, but catholics are NOT Christians...that is why they are called catholics. Christians don't pray to or worship idols, among many other false teachings in the RCC.

Or shall i say , those who claim to be Christians and yet whose hearts are far from God. I can assure you, as One of the Two this will take place.
You are correct...there are many out there who claim to be followers of Christ who are not, because they do not follow Him, they follow their own imaginations in false teachings and false doctrines. As for the last sentence...you lost me there; nothing you said makes any sense...
 
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Is it the correct translation, or the correct translation as far as you understand it.
Like I told Sue...I can demonstrates the correct translation anytime, anywhere, through the use of a complete Biblical set of principles of interpretation. Therefore, it is not "as I understand it," but rather, "the correct translation" which I do believe you are trying to say "correct interpretation." While I do have the ability to translate Greek, what you are talking about is interpretation, no?

There is a difference. Young Christians go though that stage, like teenagers. " A teen thinks they know everything when they know nothing" .
I agree...many, many Christians are stuck in that "teenage" stage where they think they know what they are talking about, when they really don't. Howbeit, though, I am not one of them. I grew up many years ago, and the call God placed upon me started that 'growing.'

You leave much out of the equation. The Grace of God for starters. " those who live by the law, yet do not know the law. Have the law written in thier hearts .
I leave nothing out of the equation - there is no reason to mention grace when it is a "given" unless someone has the wrong, calvinistic teaching on grace. Just like I don't mention the sun is shining...there's no reason to until someone else brings it up. As for "law," (I assume you refer to my comment to Sue) God is not legalistic, but He is legal. Show me that you have some spiritual understanding so that I don't have to explain that to you!!!

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