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Can you (reader) truly call yourself a "Christian" if you're pro-choice?
God says, "No."
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SignUp Now!Exo 21:22-23 ..if .men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follow; he shall be surely fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23. But if any harm follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Can you (reader) truly call yourself a "Christian" if you're pro-choice?
God says, "No."
It is talking about harm to the woman, though, as the child has departed (died).Exo 21:22-23 ..if .men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follow; he shall be surely fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23. But if any harm follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
This text indicates that according to the Bible, taking the life of an unborn "child" incurs the same punishment as to one that is born.
Can murder be forgiven?Abortion is 100% murder.
But you're still killing a baby....But if you are raped, you 'know' you have been raped and can take a pill the same day. It is common practice in my country (rape capital of the world) to give woman 'morning after' pills the same day.
But you're still killing a baby....
So when does it become a baby?I don't agree. But I am not going to have this discussion with you,
But you're still killing a baby....
That's a fallacy, ... that someone cannot have an insightful view in one topic because of his or her other views on other topics.He is not one to use as an argument.
He says a lot of things that mock God and Christians and he does it b/c he knows he'll get paid for it.
That is a serious accusation that you are making
GREAT DODGE.So when does it become a baby?
Sounds like the Holy Ghost already told you.Prove to me that I am a murderer.
GREAT DODGE.
The accepted view of the Evangelical community in the USA is that life begins at conception.
Sounds like the Holy Ghost already told you.
So... go repent.
Yes but not if they do not ask Yehovah to forgive them and never do it again.Can murder be forgiven?
You and I seldom disagree but the truth is a dead sp erm and/or an improperly constructed egg will not produce a human made in the image of God. Couple a healthy egg with a healthy sper m, allow that to go to termination and it produces as Yehovah intended, image copies of Himself.@MedicBravo @Dave M @Rhema
That is a serious accusation that you are making with Bill as your support. Prove to me that I am a murderer. Don't just say it. Imagine that.
Am I to assume that the clip from Bill is your A-Z argument? Bill makes a good point. But if you are using his point as the basis of your argument, it shows me you are new to this discussion and completely clueless.
I propose you go and do some research on the 'germinal stage' of pregnancy.
Because I haven't accused you of anything. Please re-read the thread. My statement here can hardly be considered a personal accusation:You are not making an argument for your accusation.
In the above statement, I used the colloquial "you," instead of the basically obsolete formal "one." One is still killing a baby. I express surprise that you took this as a personal accusation. So allow me to elaborate.But you're still killing a baby....
Instead of answering, you ... "flipped out" and then hid behind some obscure demand that I go studySo when does it become a baby?
That's not an answer. In the US, that would be called a "Dodge."the 'germinal stage' of pregnancy
Yes, I'm sure you have convinced yourself that it isn't murder, and have all sorts of fabricated reasons to support your belief. That said, one is still killing a baby. The Only Reason to take a "morning after pill" IS to kill the baby if conception has occurred. But if life doesn't begin at conception, then when? When is it a "birthday cake"? Mixing the batter? Pouring it in the pan? placing it in the oven? Turning the oven on?I said I disagree with abortion. Its murder. I said in my country we give rape victims a morning after pill. In this instance I do not believe it is murder.
God didn't put Rape in motion. Nor did God make anyone have sex. So there's no line to draw. You don't take the pan out of the oven and throw it across the room, unless you want to be a birthday cake murderer.Stopping what God has put in motion. Where do you draw the line with that?
If you don't understand how you put words in my mouth (and then also think that that's okay) it's worthless to continue. YOU KNOW I never said "first-degree murder" or "deserves the death penalty." so... Straw Man.Now to make your case you need to explain to me how and why a rape victim who does this is guilty of first-degree murder and deserves the death penalty or life imprisonment for it.
Everybody born deserves the death penalty. That's why we rely upon the grace and mercy of God, who at least delays death for maybe, what, a hundred years or so?I can think of many instances where many Christians deserve the death penalty.
And yet... that's NOT what the text says. It mentions nothing about beating up a pregnant lady. It specifically speaks about two men fighting each other.I do agree with the Judaic law Curtis posted in post # 2. If you go and beat up a pregnant lady and she loses her baby, that is a serious offence. Would not be unthinkable to give someone a murder sentence for that.
C'mon, KJ, you rather need to start reading what is actually written.Exo 21:22 “Now suppose two men are fighting, and in the process they accidentally strike a pregnant woman so she gives birth prematurely. If no further injury results, the man who struck the woman must pay the amount of compensation the woman’s husband demands and the judges approve.
Technically, so does calling your brother "Moron."Murder at any point from conception through natural death strikes Yehovah in the face with a fist.