What does it mean to be set(made) free indeed?

[Jesus_is_LORD]

John 8:36.

New International Version
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

New Living Translation
So if the Son sets you free, you are truly free.

English Standard Version
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Berean Study Bible
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Berean Literal Bible
So if the Son shall set you free, you will be free indeed.

King James Bible
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

New King James Version
Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.


How should I communicate the truth of this verse to brothers and sisters in Christ
who find themselves still struggling with a specific sin (alcoholism, pornography, lying, gluttony, covetousness, etc)?

Are they to see this verse to mean that they are still battling with it because Jesus has not set them free?
Or because they have a lack of faith to be free? Or they are not trying hard enough? Or what?

Is the verse above simply about freedom from the penalty of sin? Or is it more.

In my Methodist circles we say:
We have been saved from the penalty of sin, (salvation/justified)
we are being saved from the power of sin,(now, sanctification)
and we will be saved from the presence of sin (in heaven/glorification).

What are your @GodB4Us , @God's Truth , @B-A-C , @MedicBravo , @PloughBoy , @Andyindauk , @Waggles , @Dave M , thoughts on John 8:36?

Thanks.

 

[GodB4Us]

John 8:36.

New International Version
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

New Living Translation
So if the Son sets you free, you are truly free.

English Standard Version
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Berean Study Bible
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Berean Literal Bible
So if the Son shall set you free, you will be free indeed.

King James Bible
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

New King James Version
Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.


How should I communicate the truth of this verse to brothers and sisters in Christ
who find themselves still struggling with a specific sin (alcoholism, pornography, lying, gluttony, covetousness, etc)?

Are they to see this verse to mean that they are still battling with it because Jesus has not set them free?
Or because they have a lack of faith to be free? Or they are not trying hard enough? Or what?

Is the verse above simply about freedom from the penalty of sin? Or is it more.

In my Methodist circles we say:
We have been saved from the penalty of sin, (salvation/justified)
we are being saved from the power of sin,(now, sanctification)
and we will be saved from the presence of sin (in heaven/glorification).

What are your @GodB4Us , @God's Truth , @B-A-C , @MedicBravo , @PloughBoy , @Andyindauk , @Waggles , @Dave M , thoughts on John 8:36?

Thanks.

Many will believe in Him to be saved, but not very many new believers will be taught by His disciples in looking to Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him to be set free & remain free from sin's dominion over them. Saved believers need to live that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son by the same grace of God we have been saved by... by faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Dave M]

One thing I have personally learned is that being able to stop a certain sin, (such as Drug use) on our own power and self-discipline is NOT the same as being set free from the sin with Jesus in control.

I remember when I would quit using drugs on my own I was still in bondage and miserable dreamed about the drugs and had to fight it off all day. I had lunch a while back with a friend who has been clean for 20 years from a heavy drugging lifestyle, and he told me he had to fight the addiction every day.

Well now I no longer use drugs and Jesus has set me free, I do not have to fight the urge, Jesus has taken the urge away from me.

So to me, being set free is when Jesus changes our hearts and we want to please him instead of satisfying the desires of the flesh.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Many will believe in Him to be saved, but not very many new believers will be taught by His disciples in looking to Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him to be set free & remain free from sin's dominion over them. Saved believers need to live that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son by the same grace of God we have been saved by... by faith in Jesus Christ.

Thanks for the reply. Well said.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

One thing I have personally learned is that being able to stop a certain sin, (such as Drug use) on our own power and self-discipline is NOT the same as being set free from the sin with Jesus in control.

I remember when I would quit using drugs on my own I was still in bondage and miserable dreamed about the drugs and had to fight it off all day. I had lunch a while back with a friend who has been clean for 20 years from a heavy drugging lifestyle, and he told me he had to fight the addiction every day.

Well now I no longer use drugs and Jesus has set me free, I do not have to fight the urge, Jesus has taken the urge away from me.

So to me, being set free is when Jesus changes our hearts and we want to please him instead of satisfying the desires of the flesh.

Gotcha, thanks for sharing the personal story .

 

[PloughBoy]

John 8:36.

New International Version
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

New Living Translation
So if the Son sets you free, you are truly free.

English Standard Version
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Berean Study Bible
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Berean Literal Bible
So if the Son shall set you free, you will be free indeed.

King James Bible
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

New King James Version
Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.


How should I communicate the truth of this verse to brothers and sisters in Christ
who find themselves still struggling with a specific sin (alcoholism, pornography, lying, gluttony, covetousness, etc)?

Are they to see this verse to mean that they are still battling with it because Jesus has not set them free?
Or because they have a lack of faith to be free? Or they are not trying hard enough? Or what?

Is the verse above simply about freedom from the penalty of sin? Or is it more.

In my Methodist circles we say:
We have been saved from the penalty of sin, (salvation/justified)
we are being saved from the power of sin,(now, sanctification)
and we will be saved from the presence of sin (in heaven/glorification).

What are your @GodB4Us , @God's Truth , @B-A-C , @MedicBravo , @PloughBoy , @Andyindauk , @Waggles , @Dave M , thoughts on John 8:36?

Thanks.

We are being “saved”,“Saved”from the Foundation of The “World” and it is also a “Indicative” and A “Future Indicative”, It has already been done and Will be done.

All of This was done in “Eternity” where there is no time or space. For GOD created “The Future, The Past , The Now and can step into any era He pleases right now.
Matter of Fact, there is no place in time that he is not in.

So, we are “Saved”Now, being saved now and was “Saved” from The Foundations of the World and was created in “Christ Jesus” before Time Existed! So, before we get saved from this corrupted body that has us trap that we have been saved from before All creation that salvation too, was “Indicative” before Heaven it self was creation it was a done deal before Future existed.

“I knew you before you was in your mothers womb”

[Matter of fact I knew you and saved you before a womb existed] I knew your name and hairs on your head before there was a Star in The Sky!

PS. GOD is GOD there is no one Like Him, There is only One!

After we been in Eternity over 1,000 Trillion earth years, and learning about Him There in Eternity will not have even Scratch the Surface concerning HIM, He has no end and our Learning of Him has No End Either!

Who are we being saved from.

1. Ourselves
2. sins
3. The Wiles of The Devil
4. Our Bodies
5.The Wrath of “GOD ALMIGHTY “
6. And all That is between. [The Stuff we know about and The Stuff we do not know about!


Our Salvation is more than The eye can meet, and The mind can conceive “The Grace of GOD”, Complete!

 

[GodB4Us]

One thing I have personally learned is that being able to stop a certain sin, (such as Drug use) on our own power and self-discipline is NOT the same as being set free from the sin with Jesus in control.

I remember when I would quit using drugs on my own I was still in bondage and miserable dreamed about the drugs and had to fight it off all day. I had lunch a while back with a friend who has been clean for 20 years from a heavy drugging lifestyle, and he told me he had to fight the addiction every day.

Well now I no longer use drugs and Jesus has set me free, I do not have to fight the urge, Jesus has taken the urge away from me.

So to me, being set free is when Jesus changes our hearts and we want to please him instead of satisfying the desires of the flesh.

I am glad that Jesus has set you free but I have come across drug addicts that has been set free by Jesus but still need Him every day to keep them from their sins as well as other sins.

So freedom from sin can come to those that wonder if they have really been set free when they are being tempted still. That is what running that race is all about; we look to Him daily as our Good Shepherd to keep us from our sins as well as from other sins in order to walk in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son..

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Romans 6​

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King James Version​

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6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord

 

[God's Truth]

John 8:36. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
How should I communicate the truth of this verse to brothers and sisters in Christ
who find themselves still struggling with a specific sin (alcoholism, pornography, lying, gluttony, covetousness, etc)?
Are they to see this verse to mean that they are still battling with it because Jesus has not set them free?

Probably because false teachers told them they didn't have to repent of their sins and they just had to believe in Jesus.

Or because they have a lack of faith to be free? Or they are not trying hard enough? Or what?

Is the verse above simply about freedom from the penalty of sin? Or is it more.

In my Methodist circles we say:
We have been saved from the penalty of sin, (salvation/justified)
we are being saved from the power of sin,(now, sanctification)
and we will be saved from the presence of sin (in heaven/glorification).

What are your @GodB4Us , @God's Truth , @B-A-C , @MedicBravo , @PloughBoy , @Andyindauk , @Waggles , @Dave M , thoughts on John 8:36?

Thanks.

 

[PloughBoy]

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Romans 6​

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King James Version​

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6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord

It does not say you are, if it does say you are, “That is “Indicative”….. It says: “Being made”. That means exactly what says”Your are BEING MADE” being being being!

knowing English bible translations is more than knowing a English word and can read it.

There is a lot involved in reading The Bible text.

A very exhausted work.

 

[PloughBoy]

John 8:36.

New International Version
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

New Living Translation
So if the Son sets you free, you are truly free.

English Standard Version
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Berean Study Bible
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Berean Literal Bible
So if the Son shall set you free, you will be free indeed.

King James Bible
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

New King James Version
Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.


How should I communicate the truth of this verse to brothers and sisters in Christ
who find themselves still struggling with a specific sin (alcoholism, pornography, lying, gluttony, covetousness, etc)?

Are they to see this verse to mean that they are still battling with it because Jesus has not set them free?
Or because they have a lack of faith to be free? Or they are not trying hard enough? Or what?

Is the verse above simply about freedom from the penalty of sin? Or is it more.

In my Methodist circles we say:
We have been saved from the penalty of sin, (salvation/justified)
we are being saved from the power of sin,(now, sanctification)
and we will be saved from the presence of sin (in heaven/glorification).

What are your @GodB4Us , @God's Truth , @B-A-C , @MedicBravo , @PloughBoy , @Andyindauk , @Waggles , @Dave M , thoughts on John 8:36?

Thanks.

We will be free
We are being made free
We shall be.

It is Indicative, step by step, until it is complete! Clothe in Glory!

 

[Mister]

When considering John 8:31-36 we see that this is a process​

set free (from something)​

2. To release someone or something from some obligation, control, or restriction. A noun or pronoun can be used either before or after "free."

We are lowly humans being reformed to the image of Christ. As the truth is revealed to us as we grow more and more intimate with the Father and the Son we are being made free! For who knows the depths of the righteousness that is in Christ!

Praise the Lord,
signed....
Just a Pilgrim Goin' Home

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

It does not say you are, if it does say you are, “That is “Indicative”….. It says: “Being made”. That means exactly what says”Your are BEING MADE” being being being!

How long did it take to “be made”a sinner?

Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were “made sinners”, so by the obedience of one shall many “be made” righteous.

 

[GodB4Us]

One thing I have personally learned is that being able to stop a certain sin, (such as Drug use) on our own power and self-discipline is NOT the same as being set free from the sin with Jesus in control.

I remember when I would quit using drugs on my own I was still in bondage and miserable dreamed about the drugs and had to fight it off all day. I had lunch a while back with a friend who has been clean for 20 years from a heavy drugging lifestyle, and he told me he had to fight the addiction every day.

Well now I no longer use drugs and Jesus has set me free, I do not have to fight the urge, Jesus has taken the urge away from me.

So to me, being set free is when Jesus changes our hearts and we want to please him instead of satisfying the desires of the flesh.

Thanks for sharing that.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

That means exactly what says”Your are BEING MADE” being being being!

How about “shall make”

Jhn 8:32 - And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make G1659 ➔you free. G1659

Jhn 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make G1659 ➔ you free, G1659 ye shall be free indeed.

Being G1659 ➔ thenmade free G1659 from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Rom 6:22 - But now being made free G1659 from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruitunto holiness, and the end everlastinglife.

Or “has made”…

Rom 8:2 - For the law of the Spiritof life in Christ Jesus hath made G1659 ➔ me free G1659 from the law of sin and death.

Gal 5:1 - Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made G1659 ➔ us free, G1659 and be notentangled again with the yoke of bondage.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 7x
The KJV translates Strong's G1659 in the following manner: make free (6x), deliver (1x).

Strong’s Definitions
ἐλευθερόω eleutheróō, el-yoo-ther-o'-o; from G1658; to liberate, i.e. (figuratively) to exempt (from moral, ceremonial or mortal liability):—deliver, make free.

Outline of Biblical Usage

1. to make free
2. set at liberty: from the dominion of sin

 

[PloughBoy]

How about “shall make”

Jhn 8:32 - And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make G1659 ➔you free. G1659

Jhn 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make G1659 ➔ you free, G1659 ye shall be free indeed.

Being G1659 ➔ thenmade free G1659 from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Rom 6:22 - But now being made free G1659 from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruitunto holiness, and the end everlastinglife.

Or “has made”…

Rom 8:2 - For the law of the Spiritof life in Christ Jesus hath made G1659 ➔ me free G1659 from the law of sin and death.

Gal 5:1 - Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made G1659 ➔ us free, G1659 and be notentangled again with the yoke of bondage.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 7x
The KJV translates Strong's G1659 in the following manner: make free (6x), deliver (1x).

Strong’s Definitions
ἐλευθερόω eleutheróō, el-yoo-ther-o'-o; from G1658; to liberate, i.e. (figuratively) to exempt (from moral, ceremonial or mortal liability):—deliver, make free.

Outline of Biblical Usage

1. to make free
2. set at liberty: from the dominion of sin

And shall be too!
Shall does not mean have.

Has been made and being made free are to completely different grammar English terms.

Just look in your English grammar book at home. Every bible student should have a grammar book of his native language along beside his “Language Translation” of The “Original Copied Manuscript”.

How can any of us grow in studying the bible that is translated in our own common language, without having a unabridged dictionary and grammar book of our own language, to even refresh ourselves. It is a must. For those of us to grow in our own biblical translations even concerning “Etymology” for our own selves.

Many still do not understand the meaning of “can” or “cannot” or “can not”.

We have to refresh ourselves especially because of the people of our Environment constitute that.

Berean Literal Bible
So therefore every one of you who does not give up all that he himself possesses, is not able to be My disciple.

King James Bible
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Many have do idea what “Cannot” mean in the English language.

They don’t! Understand other English words. And simple words too! By not having a clear meaning, and no one correct us.

Back in 1977 when I start reading the Bible at 26 years old I Still had my high school English books, my mother keep all my rewards and books from my school years, Literature, English Boy Scout manual, “Before or sound Kindergarten “How and Why books, when I would go over to their I would just turn through the pages clear up into my fifty’s.

I had to relearn English grammar when I started to read the bible when I was 26 years of age. And grammar has change and change and change, that is why you must pick a Particular “Copyright” concerning the Grammar your are familiar with growing up with. And know the difference. Some words have sometimes a reverse meaning

Just like: “and your Desire shall be for your husband”

It does not mean “ that”. It means the opposite! It means “you are not going to like it” he’s rule over you, and you are going to fight it”!

 

[MedicBravo]

@Jesus_is_LORD

• We must turn from our sins. God/Jesus/Holy Spirit isn't going to do it for us. Following God requires change and sacrifice and not just some addiction to over-priced brown water.
• Give the various versions of the same verses you posted, they all convey the same thing. The Truth is Jesus; the only way to God our Father. Therefore, in a way He is part of "being set free".
• If a person is still struggling with sins like your examples then they have not made a real sacrifice. We have three faces. One we show to the world, one to family and friends, and one that only God sees and the latter should scare the Hell out of every Christian.
• I was never an alcoholic but a social drinker. Now I only do it for a sore throat as alcohol has medicinal properties. I use the many examples of Christians having a "clear mind and not of stupor".
• If anything, I'm sure most men and Christian men struggle with lust and greater sexual sins. God made many women (not just visually) a sight and experience that would stop your heart for a moment (love).

IMO and experience and study, a Christian MUST....change. Who they were before must be so repulsive they never want to be like that again.
The hardest part, IMO, is coming clean with a fellow Christian about the sins you hide from everyone. Your sinful thoughts and desires that are so easy to indulge and yet you want so much to be rid of them.
Even with understanding the Bible is just words if taken without context.
There is so much evidence to back up the Bible. It is part of human history.
Another example. Do you enjoy music with just the lyrics and no music? No.
Do you enjoy a good movie having only seen the trailer but only get an audio reading of the script and no movie? No.
Can you enjoy a TV series in similar only for each episode to be read and with text like the silent films back in the early years of cinema? No.
If we could experience a part of the Bible that would help our experience but compromise our faith. I'm calling out every leader who's softened God for the world.. There is so much to supplement the Bible.

Jesus’ Suffering and Crucifixion - A Medical Point of View​

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

@Jesus_is_LORD

• We must turn from our sins. God/Jesus/Holy Spirit isn't going to do it for us. Following God requires change and sacrifice and not just some addiction to over-priced brown water.
• Give the various versions of the same verses you posted, they all convey the same thing. The Truth is Jesus; the only way to God our Father. Therefore, in a way He is part of "being set free".
• If a person is still struggling with sins like your examples then they have not made a real sacrifice. We have three faces. One we show to the world, one to family and friends, and one that only God sees and the latter should scare the Hell out of every Christian.
• I was never an alcoholic but a social drinker. Now I only do it for a sore throat as alcohol has medicinal properties. I use the many examples of Christians having a "clear mind and not of stupor".
• If anything, I'm sure most men and Christian men struggle with lust and greater sexual sins. God made many women (not just visually) a sight and experience that would stop your heart for a moment (love).

IMO and experience and study, a Christian MUST....change. Who they were before must be so repulsive they never want to be like that again.
The hardest part, IMO, is coming clean with a fellow Christian about the sins you hide from everyone. Your sinful thoughts and desires that are so easy to indulge and yet you want so much to be rid of them.
Even with understanding the Bible is just words if taken without context.
There is so much evidence to back up the Bible. It is part of human history.
Another example. Do you enjoy music with just the lyrics and no music? No.
Do you enjoy a good movie having only seen the trailer but only get an audio reading of the script and no movie? No.
Can you enjoy a TV series in similar only for each episode to be read and with text like the silent films back in the early years of cinema? No.
If we could experience a part of the Bible that would help our experience but compromise our faith. I'm calling out every leader who's softened God for the world.. There is so much to supplement the Bible.

Jesus’ Suffering and Crucifixion - A Medical Point of View​

Thanks for the reply.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

And shall be too!
Shall does not mean have.

Has been made and being made free are to completely different grammar English terms.

Just look in your English grammar book at home. Every bible student should have a grammar book of his native language along beside his “Language Translation” of The “Original Copied Manuscript”.

How can any of us grow in studying the bible that is translated in our own common language, without having a unabridged dictionary and grammar book of our own language, to even refresh ourselves. It is a must. For those of us to grow in our own biblical translations even concerning “Etymology” for our own selves.

Many still do not understand the meaning of “can” or “cannot” or “can not”.

We have to refresh ourselves especially because of the people of our Environment constitute that.

Berean Literal Bible
So therefore every one of you who does not give up all that he himself possesses, is not able to be My disciple.

King James Bible
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Many have do idea what “Cannot” mean in the English language.

They don’t! Understand other English words. And simple words too! By not having a clear meaning, and no one correct us.

Back in 1977 when I start reading the Bible at 26 years old I Still had my high school English books, my mother keep all my rewards and books from my school years, Literature, English Boy Scout manual, “Before or sound Kindergarten “How and Why books, when I would go over to their I would just turn through the pages clear up into my fifty’s.

I had to relearn English grammar when I started to read the bible when I was 26 years of age. And grammar has change and change and change, that is why you must pick a Particular “Copyright” concerning the Grammar your are familiar with growing up with. And know the difference. Some words have sometimes a reverse meaning

Just like: “and your Desire shall be for your husband”

It does not mean “ that”. It means the opposite! It means “you are not going to like it” he’s rule over you, and you are going to fight it”!

We are made sinners at birth because of Adams sin…

Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were “made sinners”, so by the obedience of one shall many be “made righteous.”

And so at “rebirth” ( born again) we are “made righteous” by Christ.

If a person is crucified with Christ, then they are dead to sin, the old Adam nature (sin nature) is dead. Meaning they will no longer serve sin.

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?”

Those who are truly born again of the Holy Spirit will no longer live in sin( being dead to sin)

Romans 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of Godkeepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

 

[Waggles]

Are they to see this verse to mean that they are still battling with it because Jesus has not set them free?
Or because they have a lack of faith to be free? Or they are not trying hard enough? Or what?

My experience with non-Pentecostal Christians is that they have not received the power of the Spirit of God within them.
When people submit to the full gospel of salvation and are also baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues then truly they are set free from their past lives and infirmities.
In Pentecostal churches most adults (and even some teenagers) have powerful testimonies to being set free from the flesh; from all manner of harmful addictions or sinful ways.
Gamblers no longer gamble; violent people overcome their anger and violence; junkies and druggies are set free; alcoholics stop drinking; people cease cursing in bad language; and so on.
The truth shall set you free - the Spirit of truth - the power of God dwelling within.
And when we pray in the Holy Spirit (tongues) daily the Spirit of God works deep within our hearts and souls to cleanse us from sin and to enable us to be overcomers.

Zecariah 4:6 Then he said to me, “This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the LORD of hosts.

2Timothy 1:6 For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands,
1:7 for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.