What do people pretend is in the Bible but is absolutely not in the Bible?

[bdavidc]

There’s a lot of stuff out there that people claim is in the Bible. Sayings, traditions, whole doctrines. And when you open up the Word and look for them… poof! They’re gone. Some of it is just harmless slogans, and some is downright lies straight from the pit of hell that twist the gospel 180 degrees. So let’s take a few moments and clear the air.

What’s one thing people pretend is in the Bible that absolutely isn’t?
Let’s debunk the fake, and refocus on what God really said. Chapter and verse wins. Tradition, opinion, and feel-good clichés don’t.

Ready? Let’s take everything to the Word. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

 

[B-A-C]

I have two, both are common.

Jesus is the final destination. (i.e. I'm going heaven to be with Jesus) Yes, Jesus will be in heaven, and we will be "with" Him, however...

John 14:6 Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

1Cor 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,
1Cor 15:24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
1Cor 15:25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
1Cor 15:26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
1Cor 15:27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.
1Cor 15:28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Jesus is the bridge to the destination, but He himself is not the destination.

===============================================================

We will be heaven forever with God. - Not Biblical.

Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

Rev 21:22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Rev 22:3 There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him;

John 14:2 "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

Yes we will be with Jesus and the Father (God) but it won't be in heaven, it'll be in a city that comes down out of heaven. The new Jerusalem.
So while some people may go to heaven for a while, that isn't the final destination.

 

[Curtis]

I always thought the New Jerusalem is also known as the "heavenly Jerusalem"

Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

 

[B-A-C]

also known as the "heavenly Jerusalem"

I wonder if heavenly is more of an adjective?

There cinamon rolls taste heavenly.
The dress looks heavenly on you.

The New Jerusalem is "heavenly" (like heaven) but not actually heaven.

Just a thought.

 

[Curtis]

I wonder if heavenly is more of an adjective?

There cinamon rolls taste heavenly.
The dress looks heavenly on you.

The New Jerusalem is "heavenly" (like heaven) but not actually heaven.

Just a thought.

I would think that if we are going to get "heavenly" bodies that those bodies would be designed for a heavenly place(s).

1Co 15:40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. (ESV)

1Co 15:48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
1Co 15:49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. (ESV)

Seems to make no sense to have a heavenly body if you are not going to live in a heavenly place.

I don't know, as I usually don't think about this very often.

 

[Bill]

There’s a lot of stuff out there that people claim is in the Bible. Sayings, traditions, whole doctrines. And when you open up the Word and look for them… poof! They’re gone. Some of it is just harmless slogans, and some is downright lies straight from the pit of hell that twist the gospel 180 degrees. So let’s take a few moments and clear the air.

What’s one thing people pretend is in the Bible that absolutely isn’t?
Let’s debunk the fake, and refocus on what God really said. Chapter and verse wins. Tradition, opinion, and feel-good clichés don’t.

Ready? Let’s take everything to the Word. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Before jumping to conclusions, shall we include all the scripture? Or the scripture that is made to fit the ideas of a few? Shall we have the scripture that was found in the 1400's or our modern scriptures. There is a big difference. Even the King James has gone through big changes. The original text included the Apocrypha, where it was changed later on to fit with the going thinking of the modern Protestant churches of that time.

Let us remember that before the Reformation took place that everyone followed the same scripture for 1,100 plus years.
(The bible was put into the collection of script we have now around the year 300. Also, if the Catholic Hierarchy had not swollen with pride and outright thievery. The church may have never split in the first place.
Some teachers of the church before the split, Francis of Assisi, and a number of others all had wonderful teachings that should not be dismissed.)

I am not setting blame of the "Split" onto any one group. The devil took advantage of all of us. The devil is not the Catholics nor the Protestants, but he does hate all of us.

 

[Bill]

There’s a lot of stuff out there that people claim is in the Bible. Sayings, traditions, whole doctrines. And when you open up the Word and look for them… poof! They’re gone. Some of it is just harmless slogans, and some is downright lies straight from the pit of hell that twist the gospel 180 degrees. So let’s take a few moments and clear the air.

What’s one thing people pretend is in the Bible that absolutely isn’t?
Let’s debunk the fake, and refocus on what God really said. Chapter and verse wins. Tradition, opinion, and feel-good clichés don’t.

Ready? Let’s take everything to the Word. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

The problem you will run into has to do with translation.

Can you understand Latin and Greek.

 

[Bill]

I have two, both are common.

Jesus is the final destination. (i.e. I'm going heaven to be with Jesus) Yes, Jesus will be in heaven, and we will be "with" Him, however...

John 14:6 Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

1Cor 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,
1Cor 15:24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
1Cor 15:25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
1Cor 15:26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
1Cor 15:27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.
1Cor 15:28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Jesus is the bridge to the destination, but He himself is not the destination.

===============================================================

We will be heaven forever with God. - Not Biblical.

Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

Rev 21:22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Rev 22:3 There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him;

John 14:2 "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

Yes we will be with Jesus and the Father (God) but it won't be in heaven, it'll be in a city that comes down out of heaven. The new Jerusalem.
So while some people may go to heaven for a while, that isn't the final destination.

The mystery of God.

Jesus and the Father are One

For me God is a Trinity, yet i understand The Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit and the Trinity as One.

 

[MedicBravo]

"God didn't talk about the LGB+ and transgenders."
"God didn't say women couldn't do everything in the church."
"There's a recipe to cause an abortion in the Bible."
"Cleanliness is next to godliness." - This saying was popularized by Charles Dickens, not found in scripture.
"God helps those who help themselves." - This phrase originates from ancient Greek and is often misattributed to Benjamin Franklin.
"Money is the root of all evil." - The Bible actually states that "the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil."
"The Seven deadly sins." - Nothing but moronic Catholic nonsense.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" - This phrase is commonly used but does not appear in scripture.

Jonah was swallowed by a whale - The Bible refers to a "big fish," not specifically a whale.
Noah was saved for being the only righteous man - Noah found favor with God, but the Bible emphasizes that no one is inherently righteous.
"God works in mysterious ways." - Not in the Bible.
"Hate the sin and not the sinner." - Biblical concept but no phrase exists.

God will not give you more than you can handle. - If He didn't, no one would need Him. It's a twisting of 1 Corinthians 10:13.

 

[Bill]

"God didn't talk about the LGB+ and transgenders."
"God didn't say women couldn't do everything in the church."
"There's a recipe to cause an abortion in the Bible."
"Cleanliness is next to godliness." - This saying was popularized by Charles Dickens, not found in scripture.
"God helps those who help themselves." - This phrase originates from ancient Greek and is often misattributed to Benjamin Franklin.
"Money is the root of all evil." - The Bible actually states that "the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil."
"The Seven deadly sins." - Nothing but moronic Catholic nonsense.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" - This phrase is commonly used but does not appear in scripture.

Jonah was swallowed by a whale - The Bible refers to a "big fish," not specifically a whale.
Noah was saved for being the only righteous man - Noah found favor with God, but the Bible emphasizes that no one is inherently righteous.
"God works in mysterious ways." - Not in the Bible.
"Hate the sin and not the sinner." - Biblical concept but no phrase exists.

God will not give you more than you can handle. - If He didn't, no one would need Him. It's a twisting of 1 Corinthians 10:13.

"Jonah was swallowed by a whale - The Bible refers to a "big fish," "

This depends on the translation, and the Theologian that translated it.

The basic concept is the same though whether it was a whale or a big fish is unimportant, what is important is what took place

 

[MedicBravo]

"Jonah was swallowed by a whale - The Bible refers to a "big fish," "

This depends on the translation, and the Theologian that translated it.

The basic concept is the same though whether it was a whale or a big fish is unimportant, what is important is what took place

A whale is more recognizable and known to the world than specific species.
If you tell a 7 year old child a "great/big fish" most won't be able to picture it.
An older child or adult should know there are many "great/big fish".
I agree. The Almight has created everything so there are plenty of them that could've done it.

 

[B-A-C]

Paul falling off a horse on the road to Damascus, is not in the Bible.

 

[Bill]

A whale is more recognizable and known to the world than specific species.
If you tell a 7 year old child a "great/big fish" most won't be able to picture it.
An older child or adult should know there are many "great/big fish".
I agree. The Almight has created everything so there are plenty of them that could've done it.

So explain to me what the Beast coming out of the sea in Revelation is? Do you think that there's actually going to be a beast coming out of the sea? Or is it something different?

 

[bdavidc]

Before jumping to conclusions, shall we include all the scripture? Or the scripture that is made to fit the ideas of a few? Shall we have the scripture that was found in the 1400's or our modern scriptures. There is a big difference. Even the King James has gone through big changes. The original text included the Apocrypha, where it was changed later on to fit with the going thinking of the modern Protestant churches of that time.

Let us remember that before the Reformation took place that everyone followed the same scripture for 1,100 plus years.
(The bible was put into the collection of script we have now around the year 300. Also, if the Catholic Hierarchy had not swollen with pride and outright thievery. The church may have never split in the first place.
Some teachers of the church before the split, Francis of Assisi, and a number of others all had wonderful teachings that should not be dismissed.)

I am not setting blame of the "Split" onto any one group. The devil took advantage of all of us. The devil is not the Catholics nor the Protestants, but he does hate all of us.

That entire response is a perfect example of dodging Scripture to defend tradition. There you go. You just proved the OP’s point. The problem is not what was decided in the 1400s or what councils said in the 300s. The problem is this: What does the Word of God say? That is the standard. Not church history. Not who did what for how long. Not some saint or monk. God’s Word is the authority.

Ok. Let’s just go ahead and address this directly. The Apocrypha was never accepted as Scripture by Jesus, by the apostles, or by the first century Jewish people to whom had been committed the oracles of God (Romans 3:2). Jesus quoted the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms (Luke 24: 44) but never once quoted from the Apocrypha. Not one verse. The Apocrypha contradicts essential doctrines of Scripture like praying for the dead (2 Maccabees 12: 46) which goes against Hebrews 9:27 which clearly says, “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.”

God never says, “Follow what was commonly accepted for 1,100 years.” Instead, He tells us to test everything (1 Thessalonians 5: 21), to rightly divide the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15), and to hold fast to sound doctrine (Titus 1:9). That includes rejections of additions, distortions, and man-made systems that exalt tradition over truth (Mark 7:13). The Roman Catholic system is guilty of that in many ways. Salvation by works, the papacy, purgatory, veneration of Mary, and the Apocrypha, not one of those things is in the Word of God.

You wrote “Let us remember…” No. Let us search the Scriptures (Acts 17:11). If it’s not in the Bible, it has no place in doctrine. That’s Sola Scriptura. Not as a battle-cry, but as a command from God to measure everything by His Word.

So to answer the question: What’s one thing people pretend is in the Bible that absolutely is not?

That the Apocrypha is Scripture. It’s not. And no matter how old a tradition is, if it contradicts God’s Word it’s a lie. Let God be true, and every man a liar (Romans 3:4).

 

[Bill]

That entire response is a perfect example of dodging Scripture to defend tradition. There you go. You just proved the OP’s point. The problem is not what was decided in the 1400s or what councils said in the 300s. The problem is this: What does the Word of God say? That is the standard. Not church history. Not who did what for how long. Not some saint or monk. God’s Word is the authority.

Ok. Let’s just go ahead and address this directly. The Apocrypha was never accepted as Scripture by Jesus, by the apostles, or by the first century Jewish people to whom had been committed the oracles of God (Romans 3:2). Jesus quoted the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms (Luke 24: 44) but never once quoted from the Apocrypha. Not one verse. The Apocrypha contradicts essential doctrines of Scripture like praying for the dead (2 Maccabees 12: 46) which goes against Hebrews 9:27 which clearly says, “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.”

God never says, “Follow what was commonly accepted for 1,100 years.” Instead, He tells us to test everything (1 Thessalonians 5: 21), to rightly divide the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15), and to hold fast to sound doctrine (Titus 1:9). That includes rejections of additions, distortions, and man-made systems that exalt tradition over truth (Mark 7:13). The Roman Catholic system is guilty of that in many ways. Salvation by works, the papacy, purgatory, veneration of Mary, and the Apocrypha, not one of those things is in the Word of God.

You wrote “Let us remember…” No. Let us search the Scriptures (Acts 17:11). If it’s not in the Bible, it has no place in doctrine. That’s Sola Scriptura. Not as a battle-cry, but as a command from God to measure everything by His Word.

So to answer the question: What’s one thing people pretend is in the Bible that absolutely is not?

That the Apocrypha is Scripture. It’s not. And no matter how old a tradition is, if it contradicts God’s Word it’s a lie. Let God be true, and every man a liar (Romans 3:4).

I'm sorry but you're you are killing yourself with your own words.

How would you know what was written in Thessalonians if it wasn't in the scripture? How would you know what was written in Hebrews in Romans and in all the rest of them if it wasn't in the scripture? And how would you know what the scripture was in the first place because it wasn't all collected as one collection of writings at least not distributed as one collection of writings until after the year 300 when it was written.

We say commonly that the Bible is God's word. So if the Bible is God's Word, what then do you use to explain yourself and quote from to tell me that I'm absolutely wrong with what was written in the scripture in the first place. ( I need Rhema) ( I don't agree with everything Rhema says, but I do like the fact that he actually thinks it out) and thinking out your responses is not what you're doing. You use the Bible to condemn me. But it's the Bible itself that you're condemning not me.

 

[bdavidc]

The problem you will run into has to do with translation.

Can you understand Latin and Greek.

“Yeah, but you need to read the Bible in the original languages!” Fine. That’s called argumentum ad ignotum (“appeal to the unknown”). It’s a cop-out, it’s irrelevant, and it’s a red herring. If you want to know the truth, you don’t need to read Greek or Latin, you just need to believe God said it and be willing to crack open the Bible.

God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). He never gave His Word so that only seminary professors, doctors of theology, or the top shelf clergy could read and interpret it. The Bible wasn’t written for the educated elite, it was written to all of God’s people. Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek may have been the languages of scholarship in the day, but the scrolls and codices from which our modern translations come were written in the languages of the people.

God’s Word is for the common man. “The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.” (Psalm 119:130).

Yes, Greek and Hebrew are useful tools for clarification and to provide proper context, but the truth of the gospel, the commands of Christ, the purpose of the church and all the fundamental doctrines of the faith are not buried deep in some old language or lost by translation. Good translations like the King James Bible provide full, faithful rendering of God’s Word and not even the greatest scholarship in the world can destroy the truth of God. Most people are perfectly willing to reject God’s Word not because they can’t understand it, but because it does not sound the way they want it to. It calls them sinners, warns of judgment and says they must repent and trust in Christ alone. The Bible exposes them and sends them to Hell unless they accept the free gift of salvation through the substitutionary sacrifice of Christ. If you keep choosing sin and reject Jesus, the Bible gives you no promise of being saved. It’s not the translation; it’s submission.

Most cults and false teachers have Greek and Latin hanging on their walls like a smoke screen. They’ll argue, “Only those with a working knowledge of the ‘original languages’ can accurately interpret Scripture.” Oh, please. Paul did not tell Timothy, “Study Greek,” he said, “From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation” (2 Timothy 3:15).

You don’t need Greek or Latin to know whether or not the Apocrypha is Scripture. All you need to do is compare what’s in it with what’s in the Bible and the Apocrypha falls apart.

This is not a language issue. This is a heart issue. If someone is willing to receive the Word of God as God has given it, not tainted or perverted by religion, church systems, and the traditions of men, then they will know the truth. “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine…” (John 7:17).

And if you believe the Bible is not the Word of God, then this thread is not for you. This isn’t a debate for those chasing man-made religion, stuck in tradition, or more loyal to their church than to the Word of God. This is for those who actually care what God said, not those who want to replace God’s Word with religious systems, dead traditions, scholarly pride or smooth-talking teachers.

Chapter and verse wins. Always.

 

[Bill]

“Yeah, but you need to read the Bible in the original languages!” Fine. That’s called argumentum ad ignotum (“appeal to the unknown”). It’s a cop-out, it’s irrelevant, and it’s a red herring. If you want to know the truth, you don’t need to read Greek or Latin, you just need to believe God said it and be willing to crack open the Bible.

God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). He never gave His Word so that only seminary professors, doctors of theology, or the top shelf clergy could read and interpret it. The Bible wasn’t written for the educated elite, it was written to all of God’s people. Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek may have been the languages of scholarship in the day, but the scrolls and codices from which our modern translations come were written in the languages of the people.

God’s Word is for the common man. “The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.” (Psalm 119:130).

Yes, Greek and Hebrew are useful tools for clarification and to provide proper context, but the truth of the gospel, the commands of Christ, the purpose of the church and all the fundamental doctrines of the faith are not buried deep in some old language or lost by translation. Good translations like the King James Bible provide full, faithful rendering of God’s Word and not even the greatest scholarship in the world can destroy the truth of God. Most people are perfectly willing to reject God’s Word not because they can’t understand it, but because it does not sound the way they want it to. It calls them sinners, warns of judgment and says they must repent and trust in Christ alone. The Bible exposes them and sends them to Hell unless they accept the free gift of salvation through the substitutionary sacrifice of Christ. If you keep choosing sin and reject Jesus, the Bible gives you no promise of being saved. It’s not the translation; it’s submission.

Most cults and false teachers have Greek and Latin hanging on their walls like a smoke screen. They’ll argue, “Only those with a working knowledge of the ‘original languages’ can accurately interpret Scripture.” Oh, please. Paul did not tell Timothy, “Study Greek,” he said, “From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation” (2 Timothy 3:15).

You don’t need Greek or Latin to know whether or not the Apocrypha is Scripture. All you need to do is compare what’s in it with what’s in the Bible and the Apocrypha falls apart.

This is not a language issue. This is a heart issue. If someone is willing to receive the Word of God as God has given it, not tainted or perverted by religion, church systems, and the traditions of men, then they will know the truth. “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine…” (John 7:17).

And if you believe the Bible is not the Word of God, then this thread is not for you. This isn’t a debate for those chasing man-made religion, stuck in tradition, or more loyal to their church than to the Word of God. This is for those who actually care what God said, not those who want to replace God’s Word with religious systems, dead traditions, scholarly pride or smooth-talking teachers.

Chapter and verse wins. Always.

I would definitely not call the Greek or the Latin or the Hebrew for that matter a cop out irrelevant or red herring. Because all of those things are relevant to the scripture that you have now in your own hands that's written in English. But because if we didn't have those others then we wouldn't have the English version either. And it's an understanding those original texts that you have understanding on what the English translation is, because there are words in the English that are not in the rest.

As an example, where God is talking to Moses, I had this argument with some Jehovah Witnesses.

Where God says to Moses "I am who I am". There is no actual English translation for this phrase because we don't have a singular plural noun in our language. The actual phrase is. "I's am whom am"

You see the Jews did not know who Jesus was but they recognized that God being a single entity was also two in one. They understood that God was God and that the Spirit was God. So this duality of one God was not foreign to the Jewish people when Jesus came along.

If you don't believe me try talking to a Jewish person. Even to this day they recognize God is two - Spirit and God.

 

[Garee]

I would definitely not call the Greek or the Latin or the Hebrew for that matter a cop out irrelevant or red herring. Because all of those things are relevant to the scripture that you have now in your own hands that's written in English. But because if we didn't have those others then we wouldn't have the English version either. And it's an understanding those original texts that you have understanding on what the English translation is, because there are words in the English that are not in the rest.

As an example, where God is talking to Moses, I had this argument with some Jehovah Witnesses.

Where God says to Moses "I am who I am". There is no actual English translation for this phrase because we don't have a singular plural noun in our language. The actual phrase is. "I's am whom am"

You see the Jews did not know who Jesus was but they recognized that God being a single entity was also two in one. They understood that God was God and that the Spirit was God. So this duality of one God was not foreign to the Jewish people when Jesus came along.

If you don't believe me try talking to a Jewish person. Even to this day they recognize God is two - Spirit and God.

I would think God is one Spirit. . . Christ

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

Two is the word used as a metaphor in parables to represent eternal God not seen is working in dying mankind. Using the temporal historical to find the hidden gospel understanding.

Lovingly commanding the believer to study to show oneself approved he does not leave us without the tools needed to rightly divide the parables
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

According to that recipe Black (temporal) must be mixed with Red (eternal).

Remember the opening of the subject matter of the chapter in view. The gospel understanding hid from the father of lies who is not subject to the gospel understanding.

In that way without parables Christ yoked with the believer he speaks not.

2 Corinthians 4:3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:;In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Knowing the temporal historical alone does not provide gospel rest it remains a mystery in that way.

The Bible is not only historically perfect but also the unseen eternal gospel kind of perfect. The work of Christ the suffering just one and the justifier. one new perfect faithful gospel law

Hebrews 4Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.;For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith (Christ's labor of love ) in them that heard it.

 

[MedicBravo]

So explain to me what the Beast coming out of the sea in Revelation is? Do you think that there's actually going to be a beast coming out of the sea? Or is it something different?

It's hard to envision what John saw from his knowledge in that time and culture.
Crowns - Strength. Royalty. Power. There are 10 Kingdoms meaning every country will be absorbed into one of them ruled over by a king.

Enduring Word Bible Commentary Revelation Chapter 13

enduringword.com

There's no universal answer on this.
When the events of Revelation happen, there will be a lot of supernatural things the human mind can not comprehend. Things will get so bad people will die, instantly of fear.

The Beast (Revelation) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Satan has many names including dragon, beast of the sea, Father of Lies, etc.
The "best of the earth" will be the False Prophet. Given mountainous evidence and other writings, likely will come from the Catholic Church.
The Beast here will be the FALSE "Jesus" who is empowered by, not indwelt by, Satan.
The Anti-Christ is the same person who will become indwelt by Satan himself and that person WANTS to be.
He will reject the "company of women". He'll have the answer to and be able to solve all problems.
Supernaturally charismatic.

The point isn't a literal Gozilla 'beast" thing.
The beast in Revelation 17 also suffers a severe fatal wound to the head.

"His fatal wound was healed" (Rev 13:3).
It is HIGHLY likely there will be an assassination attempt on this man. He will "die" and "come back to life but it will be Satan indwelling that body.

The Image of the Beast is likely a big statue of sorts and will "move and speak".
Given the faster advancements of robotics and A.I.; then this is (likely) how Satan will have it made.

Again, remember we have time and culture FAR surpassing John's.

 

[Bill]

It's hard to envision what John saw from his knowledge in that time and culture.
Crowns - Strength. Royalty. Power. There are 10 Kingdoms meaning every country will be absorbed into one of them ruled over by a king.

Enduring Word Bible Commentary Revelation Chapter 13

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There's no universal answer on this.
When the events of Revelation happen, there will be a lot of supernatural things the human mind can not comprehend. Things will get so bad people will die, instantly of fear.

The Beast (Revelation) - Wikipedia

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Satan has many names including dragon, beast of the sea, Father of Lies, etc.
The "best of the earth" will be the False Prophet. Given mountainous evidence and other writings, likely will come from the Catholic Church.
The Beast here will be the FALSE "Jesus" who is empowered by, not indwelt by, Satan.
The Anti-Christ is the same person who will become indwelt by Satan himself and that person WANTS to be.
He will reject the "company of women". He'll have the answer to and be able to solve all problems.
Supernaturally charismatic.

The point isn't a literal Gozilla 'beast" thing.
The beast in Revelation 17 also suffers a severe fatal wound to the head.

"His fatal wound was healed" (Rev 13:3).
It is HIGHLY likely there will be an assassination attempt on this man. He will "die" and "come back to life but it will be Satan indwelling that body.

The Image of the Beast is likely a big statue of sorts and will "move and speak".
Given the faster advancements of robotics and A.I.; then this is (likely) how Satan will have it made.

Again, remember we have time and culture FAR surpassing John's.

Like so many things in scripture. Things written about were not revealed for centuries.
Jesus speaks to Nathaneal saying "i saw you under the fig tree" in the last 30 yrs it was discovered where Jesus was at the time, and where Nathaneal was, there was a large hill between them.
The number 153 was used for the number of fish caught. It was discovered in the past 30 yrs, there are only 153 species of fish in that lake.

The concept of "the eye of the needle" was lost for many years. It was about 50 yrs ago the understand was given, the eye of the needle is a man door aside of a main door. And during those ancient days, it was unheard of to have your camel naked. ( without all the baggage)

There are a number of other "mysteries" that have come to light in our modern era.

The concept of the beast coming from the sea could be one of these. There was a term coined by George Bush Sr. "Sea Change - an event that changes lives or a way of thinking for many in the world."

Christianity is an example of this.
Darwinism.
WWI
WWII
Covid - in our modern era
The Mark of the Beast will be a sea change .
The beast that comes out of the Sea - not good for mankind.
Something to think about.