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What are the consequences of nations turning away from God?

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Psalm 33:12 says, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage!” The psalmist is speaking of the nation of Israel. God chose Israel as the nation through which He would bring His promised Messiah (Deuteronomy 18:15; Malachi 4:5–6; Isaiah 7:14–16). He promised to provide, bless, and protect the Israelites if they followed Him. But the Old Testament gives us heartbreaking details of what happened when they turned away from Him (Ezekiel 5; 20:8; Isaiah 1). Israel’s history shows us some of the consequences that can befall a nation when its people turn away from God.

No other nation on earth will ever have the position that Israel has in God’s grand plan. It would be a mistake to “claim” many of the specific promises that God made to Israel, because they were for a specific time and purpose. For example, nations today are not promised bumper crops and healthy livestock if they obey the Mosaic Law (see Deuteronomy 28:4); that promise was for Israel under the Old Covenant in the Promised Land—the blessing was specifically tied to the land of Israel (verse 11). But many of the general principles found in Scripture are applicable to everyone. We can learn from Israel’s history what generally to expect when nations honor the Lord and what generally to expect when they rebel against His commands.

As long as the Israelites honored the Lord, destroyed idol temples, and kept God’s commandments, the Lord was actively involved in their defense when other nations fought against them. Exodus 14 is the first example of the Lord as Defender for the newly formed nation of Israel. As Moses led the people out of Egypt, Pharaoh and his armies raced after them. The people were terrified and began to doubt whether Moses knew what he was doing. But then “Moses answered the people, ‘Do not be afraid. Stand firm and you will see the deliverance the Lord will bring you today. The Egyptians you see today you will never see again. The Lord will fight for you; you need only to be still’” (Exodus 14:13–14). What followed was the miraculous parting of the Red Sea (verses 21–22).

In contrast to this miraculous intervention, the Bible gives us examples of God refusing to intervene when destruction came upon Israel. Second Kings, beginning in chapter 24, details the end of God’s blessing on Israel. God’s chosen people had defied the Lord, built idol temples, and filled their lives with fornication, murder, and adultery. They had desecrated the temple and ignored the Law for generations. God sent prophets to call them to repentance, but they would not listen and often killed those messengers (Luke 11:27–28). The Lord had warned them repeatedly, and, when they refused to listen, He sent judgment in the form of invaders who took them captive and destroyed their cities (2 Kings 24:12–14). The once-great nation had been brought low and lost the blessings God desired to give it. The general principle we learn from this is that sin brings negative consequences. Galatians 6:7 is God’s warning to individuals and to nations that He will not be mocked. We reap what we sow.

Many nations of antiquity are nonexistent now, having brought God’s judgment upon themselves for their sin. Edom (Jeremiah 49:17–22), Assyria (Zephaniah 2:13–15), Sodom (Genesis 18:20), and Babylon (Jeremiah 51) were all wiped out, according to the biblical prophets, for their evil before the Lord. There remain no representatives of the Hittites (Exodus 23:23), Moabites (Zephaniah 2:8–10), or Philistines (Zephaniah 2:5) due to their stubborn rebellion against the Lord.

God blessed Israel in prospering them when the people honored Him. God had brought them into a land that was “flowing with milk and honey” (Numbers 14:8). When they obeyed Him, He promised to provide all they needed and to protect their lives (Exodus 23:25–26). He cared that they lived peacefully and happily (1 Kings 4:25; Psalm 29:11; Proverbs 19:23). He commanded them to honor His Sabbaths so that they would have rest (Leviticus 19:30). But, when Israel followed wicked kings into idolatry and harlotry, God sent famines and pestilence on the land that He loved (Ezekiel 5:17). We learn from this that the Lord delights in prospering His loyal servants (Psalm 25:12–13; Proverbs 13:21). Material wealth is not proof that God is blessing a nation, since evil kings and countries prosper too. But, when we honor the Lord and obey His commands, we reap the benefits of living honorably, morally, and honestly. A nation that honors God’s laws reaps that benefit as well. History shows that those that do not are often destroyed from within.

God gives us His laws for our own good. He created us to fellowship with Him and walk in righteousness. When we do that, we are living within the healthy boundaries He established and are protected from much of the heartache and catastrophe Satan devises. But, when a nation turns away from the true God and becomes its own god, the Lord removes His protective hand and allows that nation to experience the world it has demanded. Romans 1:18–32 shows us the progression of people and nations that have defied God and redefined morality. Homosexuality, unbridled lust, and idolatry are all part of God’s judgment on a nation that has turned away from Him.

The good news is that God knows those who are His and promises to reward them, even when all others have turned away. Malachi 3:13–18 contains one of the most comforting passages in the Old Testament. It reminds us that God is watching, He knows all, and He will judge righteously. Even when a nation turns away from God, individuals within that nation can still follow Him and know that their names are written in God’s book of remembrance.

article source: What are the consequences of nations turning away from God? | GotQuestions.org
 
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Is it so difficult to understand that a righteous people will be blessed in the name of The LORD?

Actually, it is.


Sadly, history also shows us how hard it is to gather a righteous people and establish them for generations; it is very, very difficult, especially with the things that transpire among men in troves of billions.

Indeed, righteous governance is key, and there is no greater council for the wisdom and knowledge of righteousness than God; neither will greater might be found anywhere. The good man will greet the neighbor and help the stranger, for he does honor God even as he upholds his own governance; but who would equate the brushing of teeth with the righteousness of God? Is the government of a people one man? Is it not one man that orders himself and carries his law?




I will remain hopeful. I mean, as long as we're surrounded by nukes and countries keep the peace through arms agreements, we'll all be in a **** hole. What this means is that God's salvation; His righteousness, it is not yet revealed.
 
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Romans 9: 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Romans 11:36 Out of Him and Trhough Him and To Him are ALL THINGS.

This includes ALL NATIOINS.

Revelation 22:1-2

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.


In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
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I used to find it strange that God speaks in scripture of judging nations, leaders of a nation, sure... individuals, sure.... but nations? There are a WHOLE LOT of scriptures to speak of this. Despite there often being at least some innocents in those nations, have you ever pondered that?
 
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Berean Study Bible
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
[unbelievers are all people who do not believe what the "Word of GOD" has said, 'both christians and non-christians] who have explain the truth away.

John 12:31
Now judgment is upon this world; now the prince of this world will [in time] be cast out.

Even in this day and time many still have the veil coved over their faces.
2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were closed For to this day the same, veil remains at the reading of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed.
(John 30).
30In response, Jesus said, “This voice was not for My benefit, but yours. 31Now judgment is upon this world; now the prince of this world will be cast out. 32And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.”…

American Standard Version
And the devil said unto him, To thee will I give all this authority, and the glory of them: for it hath been delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

Berean Study Bible: The Bible Says: plainly.
We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one. (1 John 5:19)).

["all of it "! and we know it, but the world does not know this "Truth" Neither can they understand it or believe it.].

1 John 4:6
We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. That is how we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deception.
1 John 5:15
And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we already possess what we have asked of Him.
1 John 5:18
We know that anyone born of God does not keep on sinning; the One who was born of God protects him, and the evil one cannot touch him.

|What are the consequences of nations turning away from God?"

Romans 1:28-32

"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; "…
 
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I used to find it strange that God speaks in scripture of judging nations, leaders of a nation, sure... individuals, sure.... but nations? There are a WHOLE LOT of scriptures to speak of this. Despite there often being at least some innocents in those nations, have you ever pondered that?
Nope! I never ponder none of that. The Book, is explanatory! The Book is a story but better than "Moby ****" or "Huckleberry Finn". It tells a great story about Creating a "Human" into the Image of "The Triune God" and what, why and How this Creature finishing form is being shape and what it has taken to arrive into "The Image of GOD's purpose.:p That will come into the "Light of Day"! Can you not wait to see "The Finishing Product" of " The Clay" That was been Created by The Potters Hand? From the "Time of Adam and Eve's was created and continue into the Spilling of Abel's blood, clearup to The Great White Throne Judgement, IS written there for "Our Edification" we are "Children of The Light" and not the darkness!
We are not designed for this World or to Love it! The people of This World , world, belongs to Them and they Love it and want to make it better, because it is theirs, and that makes sense. We are only called , to called out to the people who doesn't belong's here but only to those who hears and they will hear.

Berean Study Bible
"Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is." We will be in His exact "Image"! We are going to Love Just Like Him! Just Like The SON of THe Living GOD!

Berean Study Bible
Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and ever.
Matthew 13:43
Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

I didn't skip no pages, I wanted to know the Truth for mine ownself! And Never wanted to teach others, never thought I was supposed too! I though I was to study and learn "The Bible by heart" every word by memory to to put it in me. LOL! To know what this world was about, because it had to be something beyond this world! This story is better than "Moby ****" and "The Old Man and The Sea"!:cool:
 
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Psalm 33:12 says, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage!” The psalmist is speaking of the nation of Israel. God chose Israel as the nation through which He would bring His promised Messiah (Deuteronomy 18:15; Malachi 4:5–6; Isaiah 7:14–16). He promised to provide, bless, and protect the Israelites if they followed Him. But the Old Testament gives us heartbreaking details of what happened when they turned away from Him (Ezekiel 5; 20:8; Isaiah 1). Israel’s history shows us some of the consequences that can befall a nation when its people turn away from God.

No other nation on earth will ever have the position that Israel has in God’s grand plan. It would be a mistake to “claim” many of the specific promises that God made to Israel, because they were for a specific time and purpose. For example, nations today are not promised bumper crops and healthy livestock if they obey the Mosaic Law (see Deuteronomy 28:4); that promise was for Israel under the Old Covenant in the Promised Land—the blessing was specifically tied to the land of Israel (verse 11). But many of the general principles found in Scripture are applicable to everyone. We can learn from Israel’s history what generally to expect when nations honor the Lord and what generally to expect when they rebel against His commands.

As long as the Israelites honored the Lord, destroyed idol temples, and kept God’s commandments, the Lord was actively involved in their defense when other nations fought against them. Exodus 14 is the first example of the Lord as Defender for the newly formed nation of Israel. As Moses led the people out of Egypt, Pharaoh and his armies raced after them. The people were terrified and began to doubt whether Moses knew what he was doing. But then “Moses answered the people, ‘Do not be afraid. Stand firm and you will see the deliverance the Lord will bring you today. The Egyptians you see today you will never see again. The Lord will fight for you; you need only to be still’” (Exodus 14:13–14). What followed was the miraculous parting of the Red Sea (verses 21–22).

In contrast to this miraculous intervention, the Bible gives us examples of God refusing to intervene when destruction came upon Israel. Second Kings, beginning in chapter 24, details the end of God’s blessing on Israel. God’s chosen people had defied the Lord, built idol temples, and filled their lives with fornication, murder, and adultery. They had desecrated the temple and ignored the Law for generations. God sent prophets to call them to repentance, but they would not listen and often killed those messengers (Luke 11:27–28). The Lord had warned them repeatedly, and, when they refused to listen, He sent judgment in the form of invaders who took them captive and destroyed their cities (2 Kings 24:12–14). The once-great nation had been brought low and lost the blessings God desired to give it. The general principle we learn from this is that sin brings negative consequences. Galatians 6:7 is God’s warning to individuals and to nations that He will not be mocked. We reap what we sow.

Many nations of antiquity are nonexistent now, having brought God’s judgment upon themselves for their sin. Edom (Jeremiah 49:17–22), Assyria (Zephaniah 2:13–15), Sodom (Genesis 18:20), and Babylon (Jeremiah 51) were all wiped out, according to the biblical prophets, for their evil before the Lord. There remain no representatives of the Hittites (Exodus 23:23), Moabites (Zephaniah 2:8–10), or Philistines (Zephaniah 2:5) due to their stubborn rebellion against the Lord.

God blessed Israel in prospering them when the people honored Him. God had brought them into a land that was “flowing with milk and honey” (Numbers 14:8). When they obeyed Him, He promised to provide all they needed and to protect their lives (Exodus 23:25–26). He cared that they lived peacefully and happily (1 Kings 4:25; Psalm 29:11; Proverbs 19:23). He commanded them to honor His Sabbaths so that they would have rest (Leviticus 19:30). But, when Israel followed wicked kings into idolatry and harlotry, God sent famines and pestilence on the land that He loved (Ezekiel 5:17). We learn from this that the Lord delights in prospering His loyal servants (Psalm 25:12–13; Proverbs 13:21). Material wealth is not proof that God is blessing a nation, since evil kings and countries prosper too. But, when we honor the Lord and obey His commands, we reap the benefits of living honorably, morally, and honestly. A nation that honors God’s laws reaps that benefit as well. History shows that those that do not are often destroyed from within.

God gives us His laws for our own good. He created us to fellowship with Him and walk in righteousness. When we do that, we are living within the healthy boundaries He established and are protected from much of the heartache and catastrophe Satan devises. But, when a nation turns away from the true God and becomes its own god, the Lord removes His protective hand and allows that nation to experience the world it has demanded. Romans 1:18–32 shows us the progression of people and nations that have defied God and redefined morality. Homosexuality, unbridled lust, and idolatry are all part of God’s judgment on a nation that has turned away from Him.

The good news is that God knows those who are His and promises to reward them, even when all others have turned away. Malachi 3:13–18 contains one of the most comforting passages in the Old Testament. It reminds us that God is watching, He knows all, and He will judge righteously. Even when a nation turns away from God, individuals within that nation can still follow Him and know that their names are written in God’s book of remembrance.

article source: What are the consequences of nations turning away from God? | GotQuestions.org
This is good! It should be noted though, that a few of these people were giants with no chance of redemption. They were in constant war with God. Totally evil. The Hittites and the Philistines were giants.
 
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I used to find it strange that God speaks in scripture of judging nations, leaders of a nation, sure... individuals, sure.... but nations? There are a WHOLE LOT of scriptures to speak of this. Despite there often being at least some innocents in those nations, have you ever pondered that?
Canada has a very ungodly leader right now....Are the people of Canada speaking against him? Yes. A few are but as a nation, the Canadians are following him. The Canadian people choose to follow him. The United States had a very ungodly man in leadership over the country for eight years...Did the American people put an end to that? They chose to follow him rather than call him home.... So the nation as a whole IS responsible and gets judged
 
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Canada has a very ungodly leader right now....Are the people of Canada speaking against him? Yes. A few are but as a nation, the Canadians are following him. The Canadian people choose to follow him. The United States had a very ungodly man in leadership over the country for eight years...Did the American people put an end to that? They chose to follow him rather than call him home.... So the nation as a whole IS responsible and gets judged
What if the majority of people dont want a more ungodly leader, and yet those in power twist the truth to make it seem as if more people did vote them in, how is the nation to be responsible when the bulk of its ppl (voters) are against the corruption?
 
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What if the majority of people dont want a more ungodly leader, and yet those in power twist the truth to make it seem as if more people did vote them in, how is the nation to be responsible when the bulk of its ppl (voters) are against the corruption?
Well sir, Mr Trump clearly won the race, Mr Biden et al clearly stole the election. Now its clearly up to all thinking and sane Americans to stand up and demand the right. Or suffer the consequences Did that answer?
 
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Nope! I never ponder none of that.
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This story is better than "Moby Di.ck" and "The Old Man and The Sea"!:cool:
Never read either one. Although I know a bit of the first one from references to it from other stories. A man consumed with hatred dies and takes many with him in his hunt for retribution. Some stories, plays, tv shows, entertainment in general is influenced by angels both good and bad (fallen). A wise man can see this, but yes, scripture is better reading than all of them.
 
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Well sir, Mr Trump clearly won the race, Mr Biden et al clearly stole the election. Now its clearly up to all thinking and sane Americans to stand up and demand the right. Or suffer the consequences Did that answer?
I already had the answer I needed, I just wondered what others thought about the case, especially those who think people deserve what they get.
 
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Never read either one. Although I know a bit of the first one from references to it from other stories. A man consumed with hatred dies and takes many with him in his hunt for retribution. Some stories, plays, tv shows, entertainment in general is influenced by angels both good and bad (fallen). A wise man can see this, but yes, scripture is better reading than all of them.
Both were good reads but I found one very frustrating for the reason you stated above and the other because the Old man fought so valliantly and all he got for it was tired.
 
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So did I pick up accurately on what you were referring to?
I am actually a quite simple man, and seek the simplest answer my faith allows. I trust God with whatever judgement He hands out, no matter what I dont understand about the situation. I would trust God if He told me there was evil in me, and that I am to go to Hell. I would offer to go on my own without being forced. I simply trust God's judgement better than my own or any man's judgement. That being said, I know the Lord's redemption currently flows through my bones and sinew and flesh and spirit. And that I have reason for hope.
 
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I feel so much like that Old Man...I've been fighting my fish all day and all I have is tired. So much for feelings. LOL
Fishing isnt about catching the fish, unless its critical for food or for making the life of the professional fisherman sustainable, its about pondering the things of life and death, how we fit into that, and if we happen to catch a fish while doing it, all the better. LOL
 

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