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Were Adam & Eve meant to live in the Garden of Eden....

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I have 2 questions,



First one: lets say adam and eve never ate the forbidden fruit, were they meant to live in the Garden of Eden forever and never leave?

and the second is: why did God name His garden the Garden of Eden? did God even name it?
 
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I have 2 questions,



First one: lets say adam and eve never ate the forbidden fruit, were they meant to live in the Garden of Eden forever and never leave?

and the second is: why did God name His garden the Garden of Eden? did God even name it?
1.)yes

2.) Eden, in Hebrew means Paradise
"You were in Eden, the garden of God..." Ezekiel 28:13

If there is an actual Name for the Garden we dont know it.

"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." Luke 23:14

I beleive The Garden is where the spirit waits untill the end. Thats just me though....Like the waitng room of the Chosen...Not anything i would make a doctrine on...just a thought...
 
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I think the first 11 chapters of Genesis are a polemic which means they are more interested in highlighting the nature of the relationship between the universal God and the particulars that make up the material universe. For example the story of Noah's Ark seems to grasps people's attention toward the particulars like where the animals food was kept or how big the door of the Ark was and so on. However the most obvious fact about this story is the very important fact that the Ark was too small to accommodate the people outside of it. They were not going to board the Ark because they were wicked and because nobody knew what rain was. This is indicated by the dimensions of the Ark itself. Jesus applies this story in a description of the end times. Why, because people today like those in Noah's day don't share the same knowledge grid as Noah did or the Christian today should. Most people emphasise the destruction dialogue but that is obvious. What isn't obvious is the fact that nobody knew what rain was in the same was that the non-Christian understands the word 'love' in a multiplicity of ways. If Christian's focus on the particulars, further questions will arise:shade: with absolute certainty.
 
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1.)yes

2.) Eden, in Hebrew means Paradise
"You were in Eden, the garden of God..." Ezekiel 28:13

If there is an actual Name for the Garden we dont know it.

"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." Luke 23:14

I beleive The Garden is where the spirit waits untill the end. Thats just me though....Like the waitng room of the Chosen...Not anything i would make a doctrine on...just a thought...
So then..Seeker...What's the answer? Was man supposed to live always in the garden?
 
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"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." Luke 23:14
Right, eden is the Hebrew word for paradise. So, Jesus could have said "Today you will be with me in eden." Conversely, Adam was in a garden paradise.
 
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Right, eden is the Hebrew word for paradise. So, Jesus could have said "Today you will be with me in eden." Conversely, Adam was in a garden paradise.

yes odly enough Paradise, is Persian(ancient Persain, old Iranian language Avestan,) noun pairidaēza-, which means: "a wall enclosed garden or orchard,"

So Adam was in the Garden of Garden, or Paradise of Paradise, or even, ...Wall enclosed Garden, of Wall enclosed Garden...

Which is kinda cool That The Holy of Holies, The King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, and the God of GODS,

...put Adam in the Garden of Gardens.
 
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First, we must remember that the first fall was satan's not Adam's.
As we know that in his rebellion satan took with him a third of the angels, being cast out of heaven, God knew that he was going to tempt Eve and He allowed that to happen in order that the mankind struggle to grow back into the spiritual beings and to fulfill His marvelous salvation plan by sending the Messiah to redeem us, as we see in the Old Testament in Abraham and Isaac story as well in Isaiah, Zechariah ,etc.
 
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Interesting. How did they populate the world without incest?
If you want to be Devil's Advocate, at least do it with interesting questions. At the time, the only thing that would have qualified as incest would be parent-child sexual relations.
 
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If you want to be Devil's Advocate, at least do it with interesting questions. At the time, the only thing that would have qualified as incest would be parent-child sexual relations.
Haha. Ok. How do you know what qualified? And did they (Adam and Eve) have any daughters? And when did the "guidelines for incest" change? And why did God change His perfect Law?
 
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Haha. Ok. How do you know what qualified? And did they (Adam and Eve) have any daughters? And when did the "guidelines for incest" change? And why did God change His perfect Law?
Well it would be quite difficult to populate the world if Adam & Eve did not have any daughters. Adam would have been very busy, as would Eve, for all of their days until death. Then when their last son died the human race would end.
 
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Haha. Ok. How do you know what qualified? And did they (Adam and Eve) have any daughters? And when did the "guidelines for incest" change? And why did God change His perfect Law?
Incest was first forbidden in the book of Leviticus in the Bible, where Leviticus describes God's Law for the nation of Israel, given to Moses he led them out of Egypt. The current western concept of incest was not fully embraced in those times.
 
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Well it would be quite difficult to populate the world if Adam & Eve did not have any daughters. Adam would have been very busy, as would Eve, for all of their days until death. Then when their last son died the human race would end.

I think you just ignored all of my questions about the implications of two people populating the planet. It actually would have been impossible, not just difficult, to populate the world with only two humans. Even if it were possible, we still have the problem of incest being considered one thing (although we still don't know how allforihs knows this), and against the Law. And then God changing His perfect Law to make incest mean something else. What's up with that?


Incest was first forbidden in the book of Leviticus in the Bible, where Leviticus describes God's Law for the nation of Israel, given to Moses he led them out of Egypt. The current western concept of incest was not fully embraced in those times.
Exactly. So was incest OK up until Leviticus was written, and then suddenly God changed His mind and the Law? That it was or was not against the Law is beside the point. Humanity's gene pool would have, stagnated, festered, and died long ago if incest (inbreeding) was the way we populated the planet. Humanity has flourished, in fact, so incest (inbreeding) must not have been the way we did it. Which begs the question, were there other people besides Adam and Eve to begin with?

The answer should be obvious.
 
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"I think you just ignored all of my questions about the implications of two people populating the planet. It actually would have been impossible, not just difficult, to populate the world with only two humans".

*Why? Exactly why? What specificlly makes it impossible?

"Even if it were possible, we still have the problem of incest being considered one thing..."

*Being considered WHAT 'one thing'?

"(although we still don't know how allforihs knows this), and against the Law."

*Against WHAT LAW? Laid down as Law WHEN??

"And then God changing His perfect Law to make incest mean something else."

*When did God change His perfect Law? The 10 Commandments & Levitical Law was not even given until the time Moses had led Israel out of Egypt. What are you talking about? What chronology are you running on? What 'Perfect Law' are you talking about?

"What's up with that?"

*What's up with what?

"Exactly. So was incest OK up until Leviticus was written, and then suddenly God changed His mind and the Law?"

*Define what you mean by incest because it is a broad subject interpreted differently by diffeent societies at differing times.

"That it was or was not against the Law is beside the point."

*So it has gone from being a major point to being beside the point?

"Humanity's gene pool would have, stagnated, festered, and died long ago if incest (inbreeding) was the way we populated the planet."

*Pure assumption on your part, not drawn from science or medical fact. The 'gene pool' did not have the mutations present at later ages so was more pure without defects showing up.

"Humanity has flourished, in fact, so incest (inbreeding) must not have been the way we did it."

*Another wild assumption not based on verifiable scientific fact.

"Which begs the question, were there other people besides Adam and Eve to begin with?"

*The only one who can answer that is God, and according to His Word and historical record given to mankind, no there were not. Adam lived 930 years before he died, quite a bit of time to have offspring, each of which married and had offspring, each of which married and had offspring, and so it was and is to this day. It's exponetial multiplication.

The answer should be obvious.
The answer is quite obvious but apparently by your own testimony you choose not to believe it.
 
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I think you just ignored all of my questions about the implications of two people populating the planet. It actually would have been impossible, not just difficult, to populate the world with only two humans. Even if it were possible, we still have the problem of incest being considered one thing (although we still don't know how allforihs knows this), and against the Law. And then God changing His perfect Law to make incest mean something else. What's up with that?
Assuming Christianity is ridiculous and you've been a Christian, that calls into question your judgement. You think you're smarter now. How would someone with bad judgement know he's smarter now? And, you might be smarter yet in the future.

A perfect and unchanging law does not need to apply to all circumstances. Circumstances are very much a part of the application of laws. Killing someone in robbery is murder, but killing in self-defense is not murder. Likewise, what would be prohibited as incest depends on the availability of others. It is ridiculous to accuse children of Adam and Even of incest for procreating with each other. There's nothing immoral about procreating with the most distant relatives on the planet, even if they are siblings. Use better judgement.

Exactly. So was incest OK up until Leviticus was written, and then suddenly God changed His mind and the Law? That it was or was not against the Law is beside the point. Humanity's gene pool would have, stagnated, festered, and died long ago if incest (inbreeding) was the way we populated the planet. Humanity has flourished, in fact, so incest (inbreeding) must not have been the way we did it. Which begs the question, were there other people besides Adam and Eve to begin with?
If you were familiar with biology and the concept of a genetic load, you wouldn't claim that a population of starting out with Adam and Even would have already died out due to incest. Adam and Eve would have had a healthy, uncorrupted by mutation, genetic pool. There wouldn't have been such things as genetic diseases to be brought to manifestation by incest.

Your argument is even inconsistent with your own Atheist mythology. You must believe in millions of years of of the ultimate of "inbreeding" asexual reproduction until nature magically created sexual reproduction. Further, even within sexually reproducing species, if their populations were small for thousands of years, let alone millions of years (like all the dinosaur-birds and all the other missing links), over time, it would have the same practical effect as inbreeding.

The answer should be obvious.
The weakness of your arguments should be obvious.
 

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