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Actually what I read things must happen before his return, like the falling away, and the man of lawlessnes being reveled the gospel must be preached to all nations.The very birth of Jesus Christ, teaches His imminent return . If He was not to return, His coming has no value whats so ever, according to "The volume of the Book"! There is no deliverance without no return. That is our "blesseth hope".
And how about "christ4ever" thread "before the wrath"?Actually what I read things must happen before his return, like the falling away, and the man of lawlessnes being reveled the gospel must be preached to all nations.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
seems to me there are at least a couple of things that must happen before his return, according to the above scripture.
yes I watched it, it teaches the day of the lord could happen at any time, I can show you scripture as above that is not the case certain events must happen before the day of the lord. If you have scripture showing Jesus can return at any time is what I am looking for in this thread. As I have posted scripture clearly saying certain events must happen before the day of the lord, I can post some scripture to drive the point further.What do you mean, did not you see the whole video?
Hi Dave. I use these three arguments to support a rapture.wear in the bible does it teach the imminent return of Christ? I have herd this theory used for a long time, but personally can not find any scripture to back it up, can you show me any scripture to back it up??
This could mean no "new" Christians. The ones that are still here have repented.1. Plagues in revelations. Many scriptures of God's plagues on the earth and how after they hit the inhabitants, they repent not. A Christian will repent. Meaning no Christians are on earth for His plagues. The plagues hit after 3.5 years into the tribulation.
There is nothing that says this is the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is here now, and evil people are here now. Besides you have the order of events here.2. The rapture of the Holy Spirit. The restrainer.
In Matt 24, it says the rapture will happen"after" the tribulation of those days. ( Matt 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; )3. Matt 24 explains in amazing detail how the beast will reveal himself and Christians will endure suffering. It then goes on to say the following:
I know most people thing the Jewish are the ones with the seals being the famous 144,000 during tribulation. However since the book of revelations is a figurative book I am starting to think the 144,000 are anyone who has accepted Christ not necessarily just ethnic Jews, because after all we all grafted into Israel when sealed.
Even if that's true.. aren't they Christians? (during the tribulation).I know most people thing the Jewish are the ones with the seals being the famous 144,000 during tribulation.
There are many who come to Jesus / God in the tribulation. These are people that are sealed. A Christian does not need a '''seal''' on the forehead. They are already sealed by the blood of Jesus.This could mean no "new" Christians. The ones that are still here have repented.
But also the Bible says those with the seal of God, won't be affected by the plagues. ( Rev 9:4; ) so who are these people with the seal of God on their foreheads during the tribulation?
The anti-christ cannot have his way if the Holy Spirit is here, fact. The scripture I gave says that. The restrainer can only be God. Nobody else can restrain the anti-christ, fact.There is nothing that says this is the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is here now, and evil people are here now. Besides you have the order of events here. The rapture won't happen until "after" the man of lawlessness is revealed. ( 2 Thess 2:3; ) the man of lawlessness is revealed first. So if the Holy Spirit leaves so the man of lawlessness can appear, Christians are without the Holy Spirit
until the rapture. Also we know there will Christians come out of the tribulation ( Rev 7:14; ) so how are they able to be Christians without the Holy Spirit?
No, disagree. The verses you quoting are separate to those of the rapture. For example in verse 30 we see that '''all'' see Jesus. Matt 24:30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory .In Matt 24, it says the rapture will happen"after" the tribulation of those days. ( Matt 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; )
this is flat out wrong, on both accounts. the second coming of the Lord will surprise those that do not know Jesus, he will come like a thief at night.The second coming of Jesus is also a day that will not surprise anyone. All just need add seven years onto the day the anti-christ reveals himself.
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