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We who are Mature Christians understand This: and we need No One to explain it! For it is GOD given and not earn!

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We speak often in a language, that is "mysterious and hidden" that even immature christian do not understand although they hear the words rightly and plainly! And we know God has hidden to the fullness the mysterious things Of His from the people of this world and has revealed them to us! And no matter how smart they are, and no matter how many Languages they can speak or write, they cannot understand the "Language of God" and I am not talking about that "Pentecostal gibberish" they call tongues, that only make them to be "barbarians" to us, speaking in a non intelligible language calling it a language of GOD!

Our God, most of the time speaks in a "Anthropormorphic" language and we speak back to Him as such ways, but never in gibberish forms. The language of "cults" is "gibberish and demonic"! God speaks in a plain language, and when He speaks in a plain language does not mean you understood the words He had said plainly.


1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power.

Spiritual Wisdom
(Ephesians 1:15-23)

6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God,a which He destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9Rather, as it is written:

“No eye has seen,

no ear has heard,

no heart has imagined,

what God has prepared for those who love Him.”b

10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit.



The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.c

14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?”d But we have the mind of Christ.

[if you do not "Love God's Word", He is not talking to you!].

[ when a man loves a woman, how does that woman want that man to act]?

[ then if a person loves the word of God, how does that person, is suppose to act]?

And a person is supposed to Love the Word of God more than any other person, mother, father, sister, brother, sons, daughters, husbands, and Wives. And if you love anyone of these more than the Word of God, "You Cannot Be My Disciple"!
Now do you understand what the word "CANNOT" mean.
Now what do you think about a boyfriend or a girlfriend or another persons spouse? You better go somewhere and learn how to read! If you cannot understand worldly words, there is no way in the world, you can understand heavenly truths, and comprehend what is really been said.

And please do not let these "Churches" and pastors" sale you 1st class tickets by offering plates to a place you do not want to go! Once you get there, it is to late to change rooms and no return flights!

Now think about what I have said: or toss it in the trash can, since you have freewill.:eyes:
 
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We speak often in a language, that is "mysterious and hidden" that even immature christian do not understand although they hear the words rightly and plainly! And we know God has hidden to the fullness the mysterious things Of His from the people of this world and has revealed them to us! And no matter how smart they are, and no matter how many Languages they can speak or write, they cannot understand the "Language of God" and I am not talking about that "Pentecostal gibberish" they call tongues, that only make them to be "barbarians" to us, speaking in a non intelligible language calling it a language of GOD!

Our God, most of the time speaks in a "Anthropormorphic" language and we speak back to Him as such ways, but never in gibberish forms. The language of "cults" is "gibberish and demonic"! God speaks in a plain language, and when He speaks in a plain language does not mean you understood the words He had said plainly.


1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power.

Spiritual Wisdom
(Ephesians 1:15-23)

6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God,a which He destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9Rather, as it is written:

“No eye has seen,

no ear has heard,

no heart has imagined,

what God has prepared for those who love Him.”b

10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit.



The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.c

14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?”d But we have the mind of Christ.

[if you do not "Love God's Word", He is not talking to you!].

[ when a man loves a woman, how does that woman want that man to act]?

[ then if a person loves the word of God, how does that person, is suppose to act]?

And a person is supposed to Love the Word of God more than any other person, mother, father, sister, brother, sons, daughters, husbands, and Wives. And if you love anyone of these more than the Word of God, "You Cannot Be My Disciple"!
Now do you understand what the word "CANNOT" mean.
Now what do you think about a boyfriend or a girlfriend or another persons spouse? You better go somewhere and learn how to read! If you cannot understand worldly words, there is no way in the world, you can understand heavenly truths, and comprehend what is really been said.

And please do not let these "Churches" and pastors" sale you 1st class tickets by offering plates to a place you do not want to go! Once you get there, it is to late to change rooms and no return flights!

Now think about what I have said: or toss it in the trash can, since you have freewill.:eyes:
Tongues are a spiritual language that only God understands, and to pray in tongues is to put a language to the groans of of a heart that not even the speaker can articulate and neither can the enemy, many people make light of a very valuable gift, which is sad.
 
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Tongues are a spiritual language that only God understands, and to pray in tongues is to put a language to the groans of of a heart that not even the speaker can articulate and neither can the enemy, many people make light of a very valuable gift, which is sad.
LOL, so English is not enough, neither Chinese or French, what about Greek? Of maybe your thoughts. Can God read your thoughts and can your thoughts speak the "language of God"? Mmmmm, I wonder do you need any Words to speak to GOD? I like this "attribute of God" too! "Omniscience"!

1. Who told you "Language" [tongues] was a spiritual language? 1st. Question.
2. Who told you, that "language" [tongues] was the groans of a [ deceitful desperately wicked ] heart.

Because the "Bible does not teach such a foreign doctrine as that" that is the "doctrine of a man" thought as a doctrine of God by a form of "force essegesis"!

And you should know better "Trevor". Tongues only means a language, And I speak the "Heavenly Language" a lot of times, right here on "TalkJesus" and many do not understand my words because "They are Spiritual"! For I am"Spiritual" it is a "Gift" and not earn, And I lie not! That is why my words are hard for many to understand! But the "Spiritual" hears my words, "For we have the mind of Christ"! For it is a gift! We are not perfect, by all means but we are the very Elect of God, and we are judge by no man! I speak the truth, and I am not the only one in Here. They know who they are, "For We are from a tribe" of the 12 Spiritual Tribes of Israel"! It is a gift that we cannot deny! They know they are different and we regonizse one another and we cannot explain but we know we know, for it is in us and we cannot deny, "Types and Shadows"

Now Do you understand that "Language"? How about that "Unknown Tongue"! "Hallelujah". I love it! Ummmm "the aroma" that only flows, from heaven, " sweet Jesus!" Yes Lord! Yes Lord , Yes Lord. "Precious Lord" take my hand, thank you Jesus, the true Manna, that flows from heaven! Child of God! Speak-up and tell the Truth no matter what they may say! [ now that was not the Language, it is the expression what God has said and just done in my spirit].

He will turn the "Honey Bucket" over for you! I'm trying to calm down, All through the night, I tossed and turn, and told the Lord, what is wrong with me, why I am I so different, Christians, they live and understand so differently, I cannot deny what I see, and the clearness of your "Word" if I deny it, there is no where I can go. And I forgot about everything when I woke up this morning. And I thought I would prepare a meal for my daughter and my 2 grand kids. I lit the grill, I cut up some white onions, a little garlic, crush up red pepper, sweet yellow, sweet red, and green peppers, and I cut up in little pieces "Andouille smoke sausages" and laid it down at the bottom of the pan and pour bake beans on top, and place the pan on the "charcoal grill" of hardwood mix coals"! And then I came on "TalkJesus". And I smile at "Brother-Paul" and then I grin at "Sue", and then I put my "Arms" around "Fragrance Grace" and held her for a minute or so and let the "Spirit of God" flow. Then there was my friend "Trevor" I like him. And my special buddy "Samson" I smile, then there is my encourager a gift from God, "Nicola Jane".:relieved: And "Br Bear" thank you. And "Joanna" from Poland with so much "kindness":love:

Then the 1st thing I knew the meal was finish, I ask my youngest grandson was it good, he smile at me and said granddaddie it is more than good. During the cooking time I had replied to type the contents of this post. If I seem to be proud, I am not, To walk or try to walk with Christ, it is to a great cost, and sometimes great pain. And anytime you choose to meditate, the tears will flow. And if you are not carefull the tears will rain. But such sweetest it produces with in your chest, that only a God can give!

I love all of you at " TalkJesus. Just by all of you on "TalkJesus" has such a type of encouragement that all of the words in this world cannot express in any shape fashion or form.
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LOL, so English is not enough, neither Chinese or French, what about Greek? Of maybe your thoughts. Can God read your thoughts and can your thoughts speak the "language of God"? Mmmmm, I wonder do you need any Words to speak to GOD? I like this "attribute of God" too! "Omniscience"!

1. Who told you "Language" [tongues] was a spiritual language? 1st. Question.
2. Who told you, that "language" [tongues] was the groans of a [ deceitful desperately wicked ] heart.

Because the "Bible does not teach such a foreign doctrine as that" that is the "doctrine of a man" thought as a doctrine of God by a form of "force essegesis"!

And you should know better "Trevor". Tongues only means a language, And I speak the "Heavenly Language" a lot of times, right here on "TalkJesus" and many do not understand my words because "They are Spiritual"! For I am"Spiritual" it is a "Gift" and not earn, And I lie not! That is why my words are hard for many to understand! But the "Spiritual" hears my words, "For we have the mind of Christ"! For it is a gift! We are not perfect, by all means but we are the very Elect of God, and we are judge by no man! I speak the truth, and I am not the only one in Here. They know who they are, "For We are from a tribe" of the 12 Spiritual Tribes of Israel"! It is a gift that we cannot deny! They know they are different and we regonizse one another and we cannot explain but we know we know, for it is in us and we cannot deny, "Types and Shadows"

Now Do you understand that "Language"? How about that "Unknown Tongue"! "Hallelujah". I love it! Ummmm "the aroma" that only flows, from heaven, " sweet Jesus!" Yes Lord! Yes Lord , Yes Lord. "Precious Lord" take my hand, thank you Jesus, the true Manna, that flows from heaven! Child of God! Speak-up and tell the Truth no matter what they may say! [ now that was not the Language, it is the expression what God has said and just done in my spirit].

He will turn the "Honey Bucket" over for you! I'm trying to calm down, All through the night, I tossed and turn, and told the Lord, what is wrong with me, why I am I so different, Christians, they live and understand so differently, I cannot deny what I see, and the clearness of your "Word" if I deny it, there is no where I can go. And I forgot about everything when I woke up this morning. And I thought I would prepare a meal for my daughter and my 2 grand kids. I lit the grill, I cut up some white onions, a little garlic, crush up red pepper, sweet yellow, sweet red, and green peppers, and I cut up in little pieces "Andouille smoke sausages" and laid it down at the bottom of the pan and pour bake beans on top, and place the pan on the "charcoal grill" of hardwood mix coals"! And then I came on "TalkJesus". And I smile at "Brother-Paul" and then I grin at "Sue", and then I put my "Arms" around "Fragrance Grace" and held her for a minute or so and let the "Spirit of God" flow. Then there was my friend "Trevor" I like him. And my special buddy "Samson" I smile, then there is my encourager a gift from God, "Nicola Jane".:relieved: And "Br Bear" thank you. And "Joanna" from Poland with so much "kindness":love:

Then the 1st thing I knew the meal was finish, I ask my youngest grandson was it good, he smile at me and said granddaddie it is more than good. During the cooking time I had replied to type the contents of this post. If I seem to be proud, I am not, To walk or try to walk with Christ, it is to a great cost, and sometimes great pain. And anytime you choose to meditate, the tears will flow. And if you are not carefull the tears will rain. But such sweetest it produces with in your chest, that only a God can give!

I love all of you at " TalkJesus. Just by all of you on "TalkJesus" has such a type of encouragement that all of the words in this world cannot express in any shape fashion or form.
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Sorry to go off thread but just after reading PB post it stirred me as ive been thinking on how you all in God bless me so much

i just really want to say to All ive spoke to as yet or liked a post by
im really really blessed to know you all

i know God led me here
ive never met such real and truth talking spirit filled christians in all my days like on here

all the posts and topics and personal testimonies just lift me and correct anything ive been led to believe wrongly

and ive never used my dictionary so much lol and syntax (PB:eyes:) well ill get there

the worst time in my life has become a blessed time as in my distress i came here and im blessed in my hard times by being surrounded by Gods saints and the Love and truth that flows from you all

so a Big Love ya All and cant wait to see you all one day eternally x
GOD BLESS YOU ALL X
 
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1. Who told you "Language" [tongues] was a spiritual language? 1st. Question.
2. Who told you, that "language" [tongues] was the groans of a [ deceitful desperately wicked ] heart.

Because the "Bible does not teach such a foreign doctrine as that" that is the "doctrine of a man" thought as a doctrine of God by a form of "force essegesis"!
For a start Ploughboy, I never said that tongues were the groans of a deceitful desperate wicked heart, I said (Tongues are a spiritual language that only God understands, and to pray in tongues is to put a language to the groans of of a heart that not even the speaker can articulate and neither can the enemy, many people make light of a very valuable gift, which is sad.) So I can only surmise that the [ deceitful desperately wicked ] bit was directed at me and I find that sad. Your first Question was Who told you "Language" [tongues] was a spiritual language? 1 Corinthians 14:2 For anyone who speaks in tongues does not speak to men but to God. Indeed no-one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. verse 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you; But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. The words in Corinthians are the words of Paul, but it seems you know better.
 
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Trevor, everyone's heart is evil, so teaches the Bible! That is where evil comes out of! If they believe it of not!

No matter what any may think, gibberish does not come from God! Why would anyone would even want to gibberish in Christ? Is gibberish some special treat or morsel that is better than plain language from God to His Child. That others do not have? Why No! Jesus is the Gift that is above all. A gibberish is not a gift, a "Language" is. Read chapter 14 with a better translation and compare"biblical content"

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man."


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Prophecy and Languages
1Keep on pursuing love, and keep on desiring spiritual gifts, especially the ability to prophesy. 2For the person who speaks in a foreigna language is not actually speaking to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands him, because he is talking about secrets by the Spirit.b 3But the person who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding, encouragement, and comfort. 4The person who speaks in a foreign language builds himself up, but the person who prophesies builds up the church. 5Now I wish that all of you could speak in foreign languages, but especially that you could prophesy. The person who prophesies is more important than the person who speaks in a foreign language, unless he interprets it so that the church may be built up.
6Indeed, brothers, if I come to you speaking in foreign languages, what good will I be to you unless I speak to you in some revelation, knowledge, prophecy, or teaching? 7In the same way, lifeless instruments like the flute or harp produce sounds. But if there’s no difference in the notes, how can a person tell what tune is being played? 8For example, if a bugle doesn’t sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9In the same way, unless you speak an intelligible message with your language, how will anyone know what is being said? You’ll be talking into the air!

10There are, I suppose, many different languagesc in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If I don’t know the meaning of the language,d I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker will be a foreigner to me. 12In the same way, since you’re so desirous of spiritual gifts, you must keep on desiring them for building up the church.

13Therefore, the person who speaks in a foreign language should pray for the ability to interpret it. 14For if I pray in a foreign language, my spirit prays but my mind is not productive. 15What does this mean? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing psalms with my spirit, but I will also sing psalms with my mind. 16Otherwise, if you say a blessing with your spirit, how can an otherwise uneducated persone say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you’re saying? 17It’s good for you to give thanks, but it does not build up the other person. 18I thank God that I speak in foreign languages more than all of you. 19But in church I would rather speak five words with my mind to instruct others than 10,000 words in a foreign language.
20Brothers, stop beingf childish in your thinking. Be like infants with respect to evil, but think like adults. 21In the Law it is written,

“By means of foreign languages

and through the mouths of foreigners

I will speak to this people


but even then they will not listen to me,”g

declares the Lord.

22Foreign languages, then, are meant to be a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers, while prophecy is meant, not for unbelievers, but for believers. 23Now if the whole church gathers in the same place and everyone is speaking in foreign languages, when uneducated people or unbelievers come in, they will say that you are out of your mind, won’t they? 24But if everyone is prophesying, when an unbeliever or an uneducated person comes in he will be convicted and examined by everything that’s happening.h 25His secret, inner heart will become known, and so he will bow down to the ground and worship God, declaring, “God is truly among you!”
Maintain Order in the Church

26What, then, does this mean,i brothers? When you gather, everyone has a psalm, teaching, revelation, foreign language, or interpretation. Everything must be done for upbuilding. 27If anyone speaks in a foreign language, only two or three at the most should do so, one at a time, and somebody must interpret. 28If an interpreter is not present, the speakerj should remain silent in the church and speak to himself and God.
29Two or three prophets should speak, and others should weigh carefully what is said. 30If a revelation is made to another person who is seated, the first person should be silent. 31For everyone can prophesy in turn, so that everyone can be instructed and everyone can be encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the prophets, 33for Godk is not a God of disorder but of peace.

Asl in all the churches of the saints, 34the women must keep silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak out, but must place themselves in submission, as the oralm law also says. 35If they want to learn anything, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is inappropriate for a woman to speak out in church.n
36Did God’s word originate with you? Are you the only oneso it has reached? 37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or a spiritual person, he must acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, he should be ignored.p
39Therefore, my brothers, desire the ability to prophesy, and do not prevent others from speaking in foreign languages. 40But everything must be done in a proper and orderly way.


Forget about that gibberish and want no part of it! Unless you are going to some remote jungle of this world to take the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then ask for that gift of languages! So you can speak in "other Tongues"! We are not in "Oklahoma" anymore. And we do understand that"movement".

I am not attacking you "Trevor", it is not your fault , that doctrine caught fire and spreaded like wild fire.
 
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Trevor, everyone's heart is evil, so teaches the Bible! That is where evil comes out of! If they believe it of not!

No matter what any may think, gibberish does not come from God! Why would anyone would even want to gibberish in Christ? Is gibberish some special treat or morsel that is better than plain language from God to His Child. That others do not have? Why No! Jesus is the Gift that is above all. A gibberish is not a gift, a "Language" is. Read chapter 14 with a better translation and compare"biblical content"

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man."


International Standard Version Par ▾

Prophecy and Languages
1Keep on pursuing love, and keep on desiring spiritual gifts, especially the ability to prophesy. 2For the person who speaks in a foreigna language is not actually speaking to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands him, because he is talking about secrets by the Spirit.b 3But the person who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding, encouragement, and comfort. 4The person who speaks in a foreign language builds himself up, but the person who prophesies builds up the church. 5Now I wish that all of you could speak in foreign languages, but especially that you could prophesy. The person who prophesies is more important than the person who speaks in a foreign language, unless he interprets it so that the church may be built up.
6Indeed, brothers, if I come to you speaking in foreign languages, what good will I be to you unless I speak to you in some revelation, knowledge, prophecy, or teaching? 7In the same way, lifeless instruments like the flute or harp produce sounds. But if there’s no difference in the notes, how can a person tell what tune is being played? 8For example, if a bugle doesn’t sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9In the same way, unless you speak an intelligible message with your language, how will anyone know what is being said? You’ll be talking into the air!

10There are, I suppose, many different languagesc in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If I don’t know the meaning of the language,d I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker will be a foreigner to me. 12In the same way, since you’re so desirous of spiritual gifts, you must keep on desiring them for building up the church.

13Therefore, the person who speaks in a foreign language should pray for the ability to interpret it. 14For if I pray in a foreign language, my spirit prays but my mind is not productive. 15What does this mean? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing psalms with my spirit, but I will also sing psalms with my mind. 16Otherwise, if you say a blessing with your spirit, how can an otherwise uneducated persone say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you’re saying? 17It’s good for you to give thanks, but it does not build up the other person. 18I thank God that I speak in foreign languages more than all of you. 19But in church I would rather speak five words with my mind to instruct others than 10,000 words in a foreign language.
20Brothers, stop beingf childish in your thinking. Be like infants with respect to evil, but think like adults. 21In the Law it is written,

“By means of foreign languages

and through the mouths of foreigners

I will speak to this people


but even then they will not listen to me,”g

declares the Lord.

22Foreign languages, then, are meant to be a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers, while prophecy is meant, not for unbelievers, but for believers. 23Now if the whole church gathers in the same place and everyone is speaking in foreign languages, when uneducated people or unbelievers come in, they will say that you are out of your mind, won’t they? 24But if everyone is prophesying, when an unbeliever or an uneducated person comes in he will be convicted and examined by everything that’s happening.h 25His secret, inner heart will become known, and so he will bow down to the ground and worship God, declaring, “God is truly among you!”
Maintain Order in the Church

26What, then, does this mean,i brothers? When you gather, everyone has a psalm, teaching, revelation, foreign language, or interpretation. Everything must be done for upbuilding. 27If anyone speaks in a foreign language, only two or three at the most should do so, one at a time, and somebody must interpret. 28If an interpreter is not present, the speakerj should remain silent in the church and speak to himself and God.
29Two or three prophets should speak, and others should weigh carefully what is said. 30If a revelation is made to another person who is seated, the first person should be silent. 31For everyone can prophesy in turn, so that everyone can be instructed and everyone can be encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the prophets, 33for Godk is not a God of disorder but of peace.

Asl in all the churches of the saints, 34the women must keep silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak out, but must place themselves in submission, as the oralm law also says. 35If they want to learn anything, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is inappropriate for a woman to speak out in church.n
36Did God’s word originate with you? Are you the only oneso it has reached? 37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or a spiritual person, he must acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, he should be ignored.p
39Therefore, my brothers, desire the ability to prophesy, and do not prevent others from speaking in foreign languages. 40But everything must be done in a proper and orderly way.


Forget about that gibberish and want no part of it! Unless you are going to some remote jungle of this world to take the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then ask for that gift of languages! So you can speak in "other Tongues"! We are not in "Oklahoma" anymore. And we do understand that"movement".

I am not attacking you "Trevor", it is not your fault , that doctrine caught fire and spreaded like wild fire.
So, Ploughboy, you choose a translation that omits the word tongues for foreign language, but a foreign language is a language from a foreign country. Tongues is not, it is a spiritual language that originates from heaven, and if you can be so disingenuous that you seek out one translation out of many, just to win an argument, then debate with you becomes boring. bless you.
 
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No I pick a translation so you can understand it.:eek: "AV", "ASV" , "RVS", is very clear to me! If a person, speaks in gibberish, that is their business, keep it to themselves! Because if a person speaks in a unknown language to anyone, that person has become as a barbarian. Keep it to yourself! There is no profit to a person who does not know that language. And it does not profit the person who hears it. And if there is a interpreter there, how do we know if he is not a fake! If God what to speak to me, I want Him to speak to me in a "Language" I understand. And I do not want anybody playing the Role of "The Pope"! Now if you want to speak that "gibberish" go ahead and do it! But no where in my Bible in any translation I can recall, stating gibberish is a Heavenly Language! You have churches taking people in a back room, telling them to clear their minds and just start talking real fast with a blank mind, then they tell theml, yes yougot it now, Then the person, says; well I dont understand what I am saying, Then the minister says; "you don't supposed to know what you are saying. Because you are speaking to God. No, keep those type of Gifts to yourself! And I am not hating, I have been satisfied with my communication with God the Father for over 40 years, and in those years it has been most of the time, without spoken words. Here is my summary, is that the way God commucate with you, sometimes, that is between you and your God. But for me , I want clarity in the language of God. "For some of us, has the mind of Christ". For we need no audible words. And we have understanding. I understand we are all different, and have different placement in the world to come, design by God. And we are being shape and molded in this world, for placement rightly fitted into the positions to come. The Bible is true, keep it to yourself, the Bible says: You will be a "barbarian" to a person like me! Look the meaning of the word, "barbarian,". Now think! How am I treating you? I am not hating! I am treating you like a "Barbarian"! Take note: I did not say, you are a "barbarian", I said treating you, "like a barbarian"! There is a difference. Remember "English syntax"!
 
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No I pick a translation so you can understand it.:eek: "AV", "ASV" , "RVS", is very clear to me! If a person, speaks in gibberish, that is their business, keep it to themselves! Because if a person speaks in a unknown language to anyone, that person has become as a barbarian. Keep it to yourself! There is no profit to a person who does not know that language. And it does not profit the person who hears it. And if there is a interpreter there, how do we know if he is not a fake! If God what to speak to me, I want Him to speak to me in a "Language" I understand. And I do not want anybody playing the Role of "The Pope"! Now if you want to speak that "gibberish" go ahead and do it! But no where in my Bible in any translation I can recall, stating gibberish is a Heavenly Language! You have churches taking people in a back room, telling them to clear their minds and just start talking real fast with a blank mind, then they tell theml, yes yougot it now, Then the person, says; well I dont understand what I am saying, Then the minister says; "you don't supposed to know what you are saying. Because you are speaking to God. No, keep those type of Gifts to yourself! And I am not hating, I have been satisfied with my communication with God the Father for over 40 years, and in those years it has been most of the time, without spoken words. Here is my summary, is that the way God commucate with you, sometimes, that is between you and your God. But for me , I want clarity in the language of God. "For some of us, has the mind of Christ". For we need no audible words. And we have understanding. I understand we are all different, and have different placement in the world to come, design by God. And we are being shape and molded in this world, for placement rightly fitted into the positions to come. The Bible is true, keep it to yourself, the Bible says: You will be a "barbarian" to a person like me! Look the meaning of the word, "barbarian,". Now think! How am I treating you? I am not hating! I am treating you like a "Barbarian"! Take note: I did not say, you are a "barbarian", I said treating you, "like a barbarian"! There is a difference. Remember "English syntax"!
I'll make this my last post on this, not for your benifit PloughBoy, because I don't believe that truth is your main concern, winning is. Tongues are a spiritual language for a believer to pray to God. It's not for conversing with brothers and sisters, as they could never, unless give the interpretation, understand them. Tongues are a gift from God spoken of by Paul. Anyone who can ridicule a gift from God, can have no fear of God, and as the fear of God is the start of wisdom, must have little of that also. I'll not speak of this again, except to say that rubbishing a gift from God is not a wise move.
 
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I'll make this my last post on this, not for your benifit PloughBoy, because I don't believe that truth is your main concern, winning is. Tongues are a spiritual language for a believer to pray to God. It's not for conversing with brothers and sisters, as they could never, unless give the intdrpritation
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For a start Ploughboy, I never said that tongues were the groans of a deceitful desperate wicked heart, I said (Tongues are a spiritual language that only God understands, and to pray in tongues is to put a language to the groans of of a heart that not even the speaker can articulate and neither can the enemy, many people make light of a very valuable gift, which is sad.) So I can only surmise that the [ deceitful desperately wicked ] bit was directed at me and I find that sad. Your first Question was Who told you "Language" [tongues] was a spiritual language? 1 Corinthians 14:2 For anyone who speaks in tongues does not speak to men but to God. Indeed no-one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. verse 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you; But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. The words in Corinthians are the words of Paul, but it seems you know better.
You didn't mention that Paul spoke the tongues of angels. Not just an earthly language. Like all other gifts tongues is spoken through faith. Can I honestly judge someone else's tongues. There have been times I question my own gift but I cast down the imagination and speak by faith.
 
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I'll make this my last post on this, not for your benifit PloughBoy, because I don't believe that truth is your main concern, winning is. Tongues are a spiritual language for a believer to pray to God. It's not for conversing with brothers and sisters, as they could never, unless give the interpretation, understand them. Tongues are a gift from God spoken of by Paul. Anyone who can ridicule a gift from God, can have no fear of God, and as the fear of God is the start of wisdom, must have little of that also. I'll not speak of this again, except to say that rubbishing a gift from God is not a wise move.
They heard each one speaking in his own tongue. A friend of mine went to Germany and at a convention spoke to the speaker and prophecies in German. He didn't speak German so he knew it was the gift of tongues. Sadly he never spoke tongues before and never after. He is waiting for the Lord to do it again.
 
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You didn't mention that Paul spoke the tongues of angels. Not just an earthly language. Like all other gifts tongues is spoken through faith. Can I honestly judge someone else's tongues. There have been times I question my own gift but I cast down the imagination and speak by faith.
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I occasionally pray in tongues, but like you, because I don't understand my tongues, I only use them when I have no words that cover the problem.
 
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There will be always those who will abuse or pretend, but it is sad that some Christians and churches want to put the Holy Spirit in a box. I'm really worried about people calling something they do not necessary understand gibberish or even demonic. wow. Sometimes it comes close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Also, the gift of tongues is not confined to those who identify themselves as Pentecostals. Some people think that because they are Cessationists. Maybe, they do not even know that they are. Also, It is despicable condemning the entire Pentecostal movement as 'a cult.' Perhaps, there is one, two, or three cults who demand/require speaking in tongues but all those churches happened to believe in other false doctrines such as work-salvation, but not all Pentecostals will speak in tongues, or even believe it has any more value than any other gift. Just like not every baptist is a Calvinistic. It is as simple as that. If you're worried about cults, get rid of the one YOU are in. You can't say the word 'culture' before, spelling cult. Maybe, it is good to stop and think about that for a minute.

I prefer to pray in a language I understand, and I can pray/speak in two 'earthly' languages. I always have the right words, and if I do not have the right words, I tell God I'm not sure what to say and ask him to give me the right words and they usually come in a beautiful way, but there were times when I prayed in tongues, because I was alone, desperate, and in utter sadness.
 
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They heard each one speaking in his own tongue. A friend of mine went to Germany and at a convention spoke to the speaker and prophecies in German. He didn't speak German so he knew it was the gift of tongues. Sadly he never spoke tongues before and never after. He is waiting for the Lord to do it again.
in tongues,
γλώσσαις (glōssais)
Noun - Dative Feminine Plural
Strong's Greek 1100: The tongue; by implication, a language.

There are over 7,099 spoken languages in this world
And concerning "Obscure languages". Noted: 100 in Europe, 300 USA, 2000 in Africa.

PS. "Obscure" I would consider "unknown". I do believe there might be "obscure languages" in the remote areas of "china" that needs to be or is being "Evangelized" . Where no motor vehicles or air fly over or anything of the civilized world has entered. This is by the "Laws of China"! Unless things has changed. So if the Gospel has reach those areas by some means, "the Gift of Languages" most likely would be in operations, for this would be the "mercy and grace of the Almighty God. For the Gospel of Jesus Christ is still being "illegally smuggle" into remote areas of this world to the indigenous people. This is done in deep secrecy. And many of "true Christians" are dying from violent and horrible deaths.:( To proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the upmost parts of this world.
The Bible Reformed college I went to also was a missionary college that sent Missionaries teens through out the world, some were murdered, rape, wounded, beaten, and still stayed proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ even unto those who capture them, when they come back for a break , they would tells us in the Auditorium. Of the things them went through. Women would tells how they would be rape and still witness to their rapist. And how many would get saved. The sickness they would endure and how some died, n the jungles and bodies never coming back home. Most of the parents of these young Adults parents would be furious of these decisions their children had made. And they could not stop them, they was of age and the law was on their sides. We would meet and here them, coming back from the mission fields and we would be crying hearing their stories. Going to places not knowing what kind of language the indigenous are speaking into the deep areas of this world. It would make you ashamed of yourself of what we call a "Christian"! That is one of the reason I will never call myself a Christian! But I am a Child of God!
 
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in tongues,
γλώσσαις (glōssais)
Noun - Dative Feminine Plural
Strong's Greek 1100: The tongue; by implication, a language.

There are over 7,099 spoken languages in this world
And concerning "Obscure languages". Noted: 100 in Europe, 300 USA, 2000 in Africa.

PS. "Obscure" I would consider "unknown". I do believe there might be "obscure languages" in the remote areas of "china" that needs to be or is being "Evangelized" . Where no motor vehicles or air fly over or anything of the civilized world has entered. This is by the "Laws of China"! Unless things has changed. So if the Gospel has reach those areas by some means, "the Gift of Languages" most likely would be in operations, for this would be the "mercy and grace of the Almighty God. For the Gospel of Jesus Christ is still being "illegally smuggle" into remote areas of this world to the indigenous people. This is done in deep secrecy. And many of "true Christians" are dying from violent and horrible deaths.:( To proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the upmost parts of this world.
The Bible Reformed college I went to also was a missionary college that sent Missionaries teens through out the world, some were murdered, rape, wounded, beaten, and still stayed proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ even unto those who capture them, when they come back for a break , they would tells us in the Auditorium. Of the things them went through. Women would tells how they would be rape and still witness to their rapist. And how many would get saved. The sickness they would endure and how some died, n the jungles and bodies never coming back home. Most of the parents of these young Adults parents would be furious of these decisions their children had made. And they could not stop them, they was of age and the law was on their sides. We would meet and hear them, coming back from the mission fields and we would be crying hearing their stories. Going to places not knowing what kind of language the indigenous are speaking into the deep areas of this world. It would make you ashamed of yourself of what we call a "Christian"! That is one of the reason I will never call myself a Christian! But I am a Child of God!
 

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