Was Father and Holy Spirit crucified with Jesus?

[Faithful Son]

Hi there everyone, you know I feel it my heart sometimes that my questions could be perceived wrong, but the Holy Spirit presses these things on my heart and I need to reach out to my brothers and sisters for answers.

Jesus said to His disciples that God is one. The conclusion I come to is that Father and the Holy Spirit is one with Jesus, therefore they shared one body whilst Jesus was on earth.

I'm referring to this Scripture, am I wrong in my interpretion and conclusion?

John 14:5-14

5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.


Thank you
God bless
Much love
teraside

 

[maciek]

It is deeply theological...

It is deeply theological question..the theologians makes difference the Jesus of history and Christ of glory..Jesus of history who comes to save man in history and Jesus of history udergoes all the suffering and death...Christ of glory, the divine Jesus..transhistorical..But the Trinitarian dimension of saving act can't be denied...so in union with the Father, the son offers His life and the Spirit strengthens Him in this offering on the cross.. hope I gave you some clarification...

 

[Tonyb]

The suffering of Jesus

Hi Teraside,

The sufferings of Jesus are something I don't like to look at to closely and in asking this question, was the Father and the Holy Spirit crucified with Jesus?
It makes me think and takes me beyond my comfort zone.

There are plenty of scriptures that testify to Jesus being born of the Spirit, being Baptised in the Spirit at the beginning of his public ministry. Having this amazing intimate relationship with his Father God through the Holy Spirit. Being totally dependent on His Father in his ministry and not doing anything on his own initiative. In effect God was Jesus' life.

But on the cross at Calvary we hear Jesus give this cry of dereliction; “... My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

That was the moment when God his Father abandoned Jesus his Son on the cross, the One who had been his very life left him. That was the moment that Jesus became sin with our sin and bore it away for us. It was that moment that the prophecy of John the baptist was fulfilled, “ Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.” The scape goat, the propitiation of the great day of atonement fulfilled in Jesus.

2 Corinthians 5:21 God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, that in Him we might be the righteousness of God.

Romans 4:25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

Blessings,
Tonyb

 

[Faithful Son]

Thank you Tony and maciek, like I said brothers, the Holy Spirit placed this on my heart, brother Tony, I don't want you to reply if you don't feel comfortable, but thank you for your input.

 

[sunshine307]

Hi there everyone, you know I feel it my heart sometimes that my questions could be perceived wrong, but the Holy Spirit presses these things on my heart and I need to reach out to my brothers and sisters for answers.

Jesus said to His disciples that God is one. The conclusion I come to is that Father and the Holy Spirit is one with Jesus, therefore they shared one body whilst Jesus was on earth.

I'm referring to this Scripture, am I wrong in my interpretion and conclusion?

Matthew 19:5-14

5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.


Thank you
God bless
Much love
teraside

hi brother teraside, John 14 v 6 says "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

There is only one way to God and that is through Jesus, by accepting God's Son is the only way we can come to Him.

v12 "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."

Jesus was going to be with the Father. If they were one person He could not go to Himself. (if that makes sense)

v26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name..."

The Father was sending the Holy Spirit in Jesus name.

Acts 7 v 55 "But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.." This passage is talking about Stephen the Martyr - he saw Jesus standing at the right hand of God. Father, Son (Jesus) and Holy Spirit are 3 separate persons.

As Tonyb has already pointed out Jesus cried out "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me." If they were one body how could the Father forsake Him?

I hope this helps answer your questions and doesn't confuse you more.

 

[stephen]

Hi there everyone, you know I feel it my heart sometimes that my questions could be perceived wrong, but the Holy Spirit presses these things on my heart and I need to reach out to my brothers and sisters for answers.

Jesus said to His disciples that God is one. The conclusion I come to is that Father and the Holy Spirit is one with Jesus, therefore they shared one body whilst Jesus was on earth.

I'm referring to this Scripture, am I wrong in my interpretion and conclusion?

Matthew 19:5-14

5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

A challenging question. Something I had never before considered.

Scripture is clear Jesus was the Lamb of God taking away the sin of the world. "He knew no sin" Therefore Jesus was able to take upon himself our sin, and bear it away for ever.

Jn 3:16 "that He sent......." God sent. Jesus was God manifest in flesh. Looking at Jesus we see what God is like relating to our humanity.

1 Jn teaches us that "God is Spirit and we worship Him in spirit and in truth"

In Jesus we see a human revelation of God. "Very God of very God begotten not created" We see love, compassion, prayer etc. The Christian way of life.

The trinity is not easily explained briefly. But it is a vital doctrine which helps us to understand God.

Good question chum....My answer is not exhaustive.....

 

[Faithin1]

Brother teraside, the first thing I thought of after reading your thread was what Jesus said to the Father while on the cross, as previously stated by Tonyb. In addition, if Father and Holy Spirit were crucified with Jesus, who would be in control of the universe during the three day period prior to the resurrection? There would be a void in the world. How could life begin and end during that period? I guess what I'm trying to say is, how could the world exist without the existence of God, even for a few days? I don't know how that would be possible. Good question!

 

[Chad]

Just a quick note, you posted the wrong Scripture for Matthew 19:5-14

I believe you meant something to the like of:

John 14:9
8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.

We all know the Father, The Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit are 3 persons of one single GOD. Jesus was the Son who was crucified, to simply sum it up with the most popular Scripture verse:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

I believe the Father and Son were together so to speak up until Jesus became sin on Calvary, hence when He said "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me." That is when the Father turned away from His Son as He [Jesus] took upon the punishment of the world [wrath of GOD] becoming sin.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Re:Were the Father and Holy Spirit crucified with Christ?

"God is Spirit and his worshippers must worship him in spirit and in truth." (Jn 4:24)

The Triune God is Spirit. The second person of the Trinity, our Lord Jesus, took on human form, but at the same time retained his stature as God. So, the Triune Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) remained intact and unaltered)
while Jesus took on human form. Jesus is fully God and fully human, but the Father and the Holy Spirit did not take on human form. They were together with him to be sure, but in Spirit - not in human form.

SLE

 

[Faithful Son]

Last night wasn't very fun to say the least, I'm sorry I posted the wrong scripture brothers and sisters.

I thank everyone one of you for helping out and giving an answer, God bless you all.

 

[Word of Life]

Jesus said to His disciples that God is one. The conclusion I come to is that Father and the Holy Spirit is one with Jesus, therefore they shared one body whilst Jesus was on earth.

Yes that is the same for all of us today too. When we are born again, we receive the Holy Spirit and the Father is in us, as we are in Him.

Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Here are a few scriptures that I have pulled off about us all being part of the one body.

(Rom 12:4) For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

(Rom 12:5) So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

(1Co 6:16) What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

(1Co 10:17) For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

(1Co 12:12) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

(1Co 12:13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

(1Co 12:20) But now are they many members, yet but one body.

(Eph 2:16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

(Eph 4:4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

(Col 3:15) And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

 

[Faithful Son]

Thank you sister Word of Life, I do understand that my body is one with God, I have no doubt regarding that, I guess my mind wandered to a place where I thought the Holy Spirit and Father was under the same suffering Jesus was, when He was crucified.

Thank you for taking the time to reply
God bless you
Much love
teraside

 

[CrazyForChrist]

(1Co 6:16) What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

That really doesnt have any revelance to this post. That quotes meaning is to not sleep with a harlot for when you sleep with a woman you become one.
Has nothing to do with the trinity.

But all the other quotes are great. And i wish to thank everyone for posting on here because i was pondering the same thing.

 

[David39]

God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son


:secret: Have you considered these scriptures?
These two scriptures show that there are 3 individuals, not just one.

God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son. The 3 together make up the God head.

Matthew 3:16-17
16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

ALSO
Matthew 17:5--(The Father and the Son. Two people, not one.)
5. While he (Peter) yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son (Jesus), in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

ALSO
Mark 1:11------(The Father and the Son. Two people, not one.)
11. And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

ALSO
Luke 3:22------ (The Father in heaven, the Holy spirit in mid air and the Son in the water. Three people, not one.)
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I amwell pleased.

ALSO
2 Peter 1:17----(Two people, not just one.)
For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Re: Was the Father and the Holy Spirit crucified with Jesus?

:secret: Have you considered these scriptures?
These two scriptures show that there are 3 individuals, not just one.

God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son. The 3 together make up the God head.

Matthew 3:16-17
16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

ALSO
Matthew 17:5--(The Father and the Son. Two people, not one.)
5. While he (Peter) yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son (Jesus), in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

ALSO
Mark 1:11------(The Father and the Son. Two people, not one.)
11. And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

ALSO
Luke 3:22------ (The Father in heaven, the Holy spirit in mid air and the Son in the water. Three people, not one.)
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I amwell pleased.

ALSO
2 Peter 1:17----(Two people, not just one.)
For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

" ''For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways',
says the Lord, " 'As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.' " (Is 55:8-9)

When trying to understand how God functions, its easy to fall into the trap of reducing him to the narrow parameters of human understanding. God, in his divine Triune Nature is Spirit not material. As such, the Holy Spirit - the Third Person in the Triune Godhead - has the power to assume the appearance of a dove without actually becoming a dove and God the Father has the power to utter human sounds without actually becoming human.

I offer these Scriptures for meditation:

"I know that you can do all things; no plan of yours can be thwarted." (Job 42:2)

"For nothing is impossible with God." (Lk 1:37)

SLE

 

[HouseofJudah]

Great comment Spiritled,

I think most times we because we live in a physical world want to reduce GOD to someone we can comprehend or understand. GOD is much more than we can ever know. HE is SPIRIT and HE is also a sovereign and omnipresent GOD. Nothing is impossible with HIM. That means HE is able to manifest HIMSELF in any way HE chooses.

So let's stop trying to interpret GOD through doctrine and start to get to know HIM through relationship.

Verse to consider: "I and My Father are one." John 10:30
"Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" John 14:9

 

[like_jesus]

We all agree that God is one Deut. 6:4"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD"

and we also agree that we are one being having a spirit living in a body with a mind.
Imagine cutting your finger while cooking, does your spirit get hurt? When Jesus died he died a physical being innocent of accusations condemning the flesh and live a new being, a spiritual one. Reflecting what we are to become.
Jesus said the kingdom of God is within us ,luke 17:21"nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within[a] you."

and our bodies can never limit the spirit of God. So the body was crucified with its limitations but the spirit is indestructible and without limits. That wish was limited and contrary to the nature of God perished but the unlimited (the spirit) lives on to eternity.So God the father felt the pain like our mind but the Holy Spirit was not confined to the Body of Jesus, infact God left Jesus remember.