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Unbelievers: You Must Ditch Your Perception of Reality - Believe the Reality of Eternal Life or Eternal Fire

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Unbelievers: You Must Ditch Your Perception of Reality - Believe the Reality of Eternal Life or Eternal Fire

Notice how Jesus says this quote 3 times: Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 9:48

where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

He did this to make sure the reality of hell was not misunderstood. A small tormenting creature will never relent, and the fire of hell will never cease. Those in hell will experience punishment, torment or torture forever, unending.

Mark 9:42-48

42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life [j]maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to [k]hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 [l]where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into [m]hell, [n]into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into [o]hell fire— 48 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
 
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Unbelievers: You Must Ditch Your Perception of Reality - Believe the Reality of Eternal Life or Eternal Fire
@AlertChristians

If your post here is to unbelievers.....Im not sure that it would lead any to Christ.
People are not saved through fear

Your message lacks the goodnews that there is a Redeemer who is seeking to save.

Any gospel message that leaves out what Jesus did for us on the cross is wrong.
The goodnews is that Christ died for sinners and them that believe on Him have eternal life.
Yes the penalty for not believing needs to be clear but preaching hellfire without sharing the way of Salvation is futile.

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
 
@AlertChristians

If your post here is to unbelievers.....Im not sure that it would lead any to Christ.
People are not saved through fear

Your message lacks the goodnews that there is a Redeemer who is seeking to save.

Any gospel message that leaves out what Jesus did for us on the cross is wrong.
The goodnews is that Christ died for sinners and them that believe on Him have eternal life.
Yes the penalty for not believing needs to be clear but preaching hellfire without sharing the way of Salvation is futile.

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
My post was not an effort to preach the gospel. But it is related to how I at times have begun to preach the Gospel - "Eternal Life or Eternal Fire".

You built a strawman argument and knocked it down - as if I attempted to preach the Gospel.

I posted scripture of the Lord Jesus preaching. There are good reasons to seek Jesus, and eternal fire is one eternally sound reason. I have no criticism of the Lord's preaching.

I have preached main tenants of the Gospel many times in different cities and states, and I have preached the Gospel and published it on the internet.

As a homeless servant of the Lord, I am restricted by demons inside and outside of me that try to kill me daily. Without these daily attacks, I likely already would have typed out a Gospel for free use.
 
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As a homeless servant of the Lord, I am restricted by demons inside and outside of me that try to kill me daily. Without these daily attacks, I likely already would have typed out a Gospel for free use.
Greetings @AlertChristians

These "demons" you mention in many posts have no power nor hold over you.
They cannot kill you.

You have victory in Christ Jesus and His in dwelling Spirit is your guide, comfort and strength since the day you were saved.

I watched one of your video's.
My concern is that you are trapped in this pattern of behaviour......this continual Grip and Rip method you have mentioned in other posts.

Look unto Jesus

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son
Colossians 1:13


Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 4:4


For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord
Romans 8:38-9


When you feel these twinges and irritations start.......sing praises to the Lord. Thank Him for your salvation. Acknowledge His love and mercy. Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind. Don't give place to the devil by acknowledging that that sneaky thief of our joy has any power over you.

Blessings grace and peace.
 
A Gospel ? Yours?
Where is your use of the Authority over demons ?
They have no power over a believer unless the believer gives it to them.
Blessings
- Your post is antagonistic.
- My current thread is not about "what gospel".
- TalkJesus.com deleted a thread of mine, without notice, about my fight against demons that are trying to kill me.
- My current thread is not about my battle with demons.
 
Greetings @AlertChristians

These "demons" you mention in many posts have no power nor hold over you.
They cannot kill you.

You have victory in Christ Jesus and His in dwelling Spirit is your guide, comfort and strength since the day you were saved.

I watched one of your video's.
My concern is that you are trapped in this pattern of behaviour......this continual Grip and Rip method you have mentioned in other posts.

Look unto Jesus

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son
Colossians 1:13


Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 4:4


For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord
Romans 8:38-9


When you feel these twinges and irritations start.......sing praises to the Lord. Thank Him for your salvation. Acknowledge His love and mercy. Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind. Don't give place to the devil by acknowledging that that sneaky thief of our joy has any power over you.

Blessings grace and peace.
- My current thread is not about my battle with demons.
- TalkJesus.com deleted a thread of mine, without notice, about my fight against demons that are trying to kill me.
- Please stop posting in my threads with apparent intent to derail or change the main focus.
 
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- Your post is antagonistic.
- My current thread is not about "what gospel".
- TalkJesus.com deleted a thread of mine, without notice, about my fight against demons that are trying to kill me.
- My current thread is not about my battle with demons.
Greetings,
Here is how this all works.
I read what you wrote.
I quoted two things you wrote and asked you two questions .

Simple solution would be to simply answer the questions.
Now then if the subject matter of my questions have nothing to do with your thread, well friend your beef is with a member @AlertChristians because they wrote it in your thread.

Have a joyfully blessed day
Wired
 
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Greetings @AlertChristians

Grace and peace be unto you.

Yes a thread was deleted and you will have received a notification that this was for moderation purposes due to the content therein.

As a homeless servant of the Lord, I am restricted by demons inside and outside of me that try to kill me daily. Without these daily attacks, I likely already would have typed out a Gospel for free use.
Posts have responded to your above quote in the thread.......in love and concern.
 
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Dear @AlertChristians
You
Unbelievers: You Must Ditch Your Perception of Reality - Believe the Reality of Eternal Life or Eternal Fire

Notice how Jesus says this quote 3 times: Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 9:48

where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

He did this to make sure the reality of hell was not misunderstood. A small tormenting creature will never relent, and the fire of hell will never cease. Those in hell will experience punishment, torment or torture forever, unending.

Mark 9:42-48

42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life [j]maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to [k]hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 [l]where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’


45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into [m]hell, [n]into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’


47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into [o]hell fire— 48 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
Curious Brother. In this opening post. You provided something for the unbeliever to chew on which is the reality of Eternal Fire, but have not presented anything of Eternal Life and with nothing else to go by with this post if I were an unbeliever would ask "Isn't Eternal Fire the same as Eternal Life?" Then again they might ask something else entirely different. I really don't know.

Keep in mind that you are posting on a Christian site, and by most if not all the bio's written by members one can say are professing Christians/Believers....or Born Again Christians if you will. So, the perspective is different than someone who does not believe. We can not assume they understand or realize the significance of words such as "Eternal Fire, Eternal Life, Salvation, Grace, etc." In a matter of speaking and not to be insulting to anyone. In certain aspects we need to assume they know nothing, and must explain everything! With great patience and love. Realizing that it is the Holy Spirit that will draw them and the law convict them of the sin and the consequences of it upon them.

So, the questions I or other Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus might ask in reasoning your post here at TJ is probably not the ones that would come to an unbelievers mind. If you don't want believers to answer this post of yours. Then please say so in the beginning of your opening post. This way if we have questions or concerns on this, either as fellow Servants we might address them to you through PM's and allow the thread to stand until unbelievers find it and ask their own questions of you.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Dear @AlertChristians
You


Curious Brother. In this opening post. You provided something for the unbeliever to chew on which is the reality of Eternal Fire, but have not presented anything of Eternal Life and with nothing else to go by with this post if I were an unbeliever would ask "Isn't Eternal Fire the same as Eternal Life?" Then again they might ask something else entirely different. I really don't know.

Keep in mind that you are posting on a Christian site, and by most if not all the bio's written by members one can say are professing Christians/Believers....or Born Again Christians if you will. So, the perspective is different than someone who does not believe. We can not assume they understand or realize the significance of words such as "Eternal Fire, Eternal Life, Salvation, Grace, etc." In a matter of speaking and not to be insulting to anyone. In certain aspects we need to assume they know nothing, and must explain everything! With great patience and love. Realizing that it is the Holy Spirit that will draw them and the law convict them of the sin and the consequences of it upon them.

So, the questions I or other Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus might ask in reasoning your post here at TJ is probably not the ones that would come to an unbelievers mind. If you don't want believers to answer this post of yours. Then please say so in the beginning of your opening post. This way if we have questions or concerns on this, either as fellow Servants we might address them to you through PM's and allow the thread to stand until unbelievers find it and ask their own questions of you.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I posted a teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ. I have no criticism of the Lord's teaching. And it stands all on its own and has value with respect to the subject of the thread. Please note that no one else in this thread has posted about eternal fire. The best way to manage this or any other thread is to stop posting off topic. And delete the off topic posts so the readers can easily read what is relevant.
 
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Unbelievers: You Must Ditch Your Perception of Reality - Believe the Reality of Eternal Life or Eternal Fire

Notice how Jesus says this quote 3 times: Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 9:48

where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

He did this to make sure the reality of hell was not misunderstood. A small tormenting creature will never relent, and the fire of hell will never cease. Those in hell will experience punishment, torment or torture forever, unending.

Mark 9:42-48

42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life [j]maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to [k]hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 [l]where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’


45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into [m]hell, [n]into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’


47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into [o]hell fire— 48 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
"For our God is a consuming fire." Heb 12:29

What is it that is burned up and what is it that is cleansed by that same fire?

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6
 
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I posted a teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ. I have no criticism of the Lord's teaching. And it stands all on its own and has value with respect to the subject of the thread. Please note that no one else in this thread has posted about eternal fire. The best way to manage this or any other thread is to stop posting off topic. And delete the off topic posts so the readers can easily read what is relevant.
There always has to be a first one. :smile: I mention the Eternal Fire irrespective of what others have or have not said, because you of your mentioning of it in the title of the thread.

I also note that you have not mentioned anything about my observation on directing this thread to non-believers on a Christian site. We as believers in Christ Jesus as our Lord and Savior, and non-believers are not like minded. What we would answer to a question posed to us is not based upon the same foundation that a non-believer's is. This is why I was straight forward with you in asking how you wanted this posting handled. You can continue to avoid answering questions such as these in the guise of going of topic, but doing so serves you no good, and resolves nothing.

Renaming it and making it a general statement for all concerned instead of to unbelievers is a suggestion and by doing so you might have at least one person not going off topic. :wink: I realize that after a period of time certain changes are not available to you to make so please allow me as a Servant here to assist you. As Moderators we can help, and as part of the Body of Christ we each have different functions to fulfill. So, let us work together instead of at cross-purposes.

In Christ Jesus, with Love.
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Unbelievers: You Must Ditch Your Perception of Reality - Believe the Reality of Eternal Life or Eternal Fire

Notice how Jesus says this quote 3 times: Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 9:48

where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

He did this to make sure the reality of hell was not misunderstood. A small tormenting creature will never relent, and the fire of hell will never cease. Those in hell will experience punishment, torment or torture forever, unending.

Mark 9:42-48

42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life [j]maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to [k]hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 [l]where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’


45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into [m]hell, [n]into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’


47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into [o]hell fire— 48 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
Who knows what that really means, it is a very deep parable. I think this would require those who are mature of the faith to understand it.
 

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