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From: Got Questions.

Question: "What is Christianity and what do Christians believe?"

Answer: The core beliefs of Christianity are summarized in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Jesus died for our sins, was buried, was resurrected, and thereby offers salvation to all who will receive Him in faith. Unique among all other faiths, Christianity is more about a relationship than religious practices. Instead of adhering to a list of “do’s and don’ts,” the goal of a Christian is to cultivate a close walk with God. That relationship is made possible because of the work of Jesus Christ and the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

Beyond these core beliefs, there are many other items that are, or at least should be, indicative of what Christianity is and what Christianity believes. Christians believe that the Bible is the inspired, “God-breathed” Word of God and that its teaching is the final authority in all matters of faith and practice (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21). Christians believe in one God that exists in three persons—the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.

Christians believe that mankind was created specifically to have a relationship with God, but sin separates all men from God (Romans 3:23; 5:12). Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ walked this earth, fully God, and yet fully man (Philippians 2:6-11), and died on the cross. Christians believe that after His death, Christ was buried, He rose again, and now lives at the right hand of the Father, making intercession for the believers forever (Hebrews 7:25). Christianity proclaims that Jesus’ death on the cross was sufficient to completely pay the sin debt owed by all men and this is what restores the broken relationship between God and man (Hebrews 9:11-14; 10:10; Romans 5:8; 6:23).

Christianity teaches that in order to be saved and be granted entrance into heaven after death, one must place one’s faith entirely in the finished work of Christ on the cross. If we believe that Christ died in our place and paid the price of our own sins, and rose again, then we are saved. There is nothing that anyone can do to earn salvation. We cannot be “good enough” to please God on our own, because we are all sinners (Isaiah 53:6; 64:6-7). There is nothing more to be done, because Christ has done all the work! When He was on the cross, Jesus said, “It is finished” (John 19:30), meaning that the work of redemption was completed.

According to Christianity, salvation is freedom from the old sin nature and freedom to pursue a right relationship with God. Where we were once slaves to sin, we are now slaves to Christ (Romans 6:15-22). As long as believers live on this earth in their sinful bodies, they will engage in a constant struggle with sin. However, Christians can have victory in the struggle with sin by studying and applying God’s Word in their lives and being controlled by the Holy Spirit—that is, submitting to the Spirit’s leading in everyday circumstances.

So, while many religious systems require that a person do or not do certain things, Christianity is about believing that Christ died on the cross as payment for our own sins and rose again. Our sin debt is paid and we can have fellowship with God. We can have victory over our sin nature and walk in fellowship and obedience with God. That is true biblical Christianity.
 
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Christian Saul said, Christianity proclaims that Jesus’ death on the cross was sufficient to completely pay the sin debt owed by all men and this is what restores the broken relationship between God and man (Hebrews 9:11-14, Romans 5:8, 6:23)
Christianity teaches that in order to be saved and be granted entrance into heaven after death, one must place one’s faith entirely in the finished work of Christ on the cross. If we believe that Christ died in our place and paid the price of our own sins, and rose again, then we are saved. There is nothing that anyone can do to earn salvation. We cannot be “good enough” to please God on our own, because we are all sinners (Is.53:6, 64:6-7). There is nothing more to be done, because Christ has done all the work! When He was on the cross, Jesus said, “It is finished” (John 19:30 meaning that the work of redemption was completed.
Truthfully, when I read Heb.9:11-14, I don't see one thing that says Jesus paid a sin debt. I do see it saying He entered the very presence of God in Heaven and that His sacrifice should cause in us repentance and the desire to serve God.
Likewise, Heb.10:10 does not say Jesus paid a sin debt. It says we are set apart by His sacrifice. Does this sanctification happen because God held Jesus guilty for our sins? Hebrews says:
"In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure." He.10:6
Furthermore, David said:
"Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required." Ps.40:6
If God didn't require those sacrifices, what was there purpose? David said:
"For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." Ps.51:16-17
If the OT sacrifices mirror that of Jesus, isn't it likely that our Saviors entire life spent in sacrifice including His death, was meant for the purpose of producing a broken heart in us and a desire to serve God, and not because God punished Him for what we have done?
"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." Is.53:6
Does Is.53 mean that because we have all sinned, God charged and punished Jesus for it? Or, does it mean that because we have all sinned, God gave Him the task of dealing with the trouble caused by it?
Jesus told a parable, showing Gods intentntion:
"But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son." Mt.21:37
Was it really Gods plan to put our sins on His innocent Son? Have we as Christians believed a gospel that isn't true?
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." Eze.18:20
This sounds more like a just God, placing blame where blame belongs.
 
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Besides all that, it says those who repent will be forgiven,

2 Pet 3:9; The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

2 Tim 2:25; with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,
2 Tim 2:26; and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

2 Cor 7:9; Now I am glad I sent it, not because it hurt you, but because the pain caused you to repent and change your ways. It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not harmed by us in any way.
2 Cor 7:10; For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There's no regret for that kind of sorrow. But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death.

Lacking repentance results in death.

Rom 2:4; Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

Matt 4:17; From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Acts 3:19; "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
Acts 3:20; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,

Without repentance, sins don't get "wiped away". You can't go on living a sinful life.

Rom 6:1; What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2; May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

Rom 6:12; Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
Rom 6:13; and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

Anyone who thinks that all they have to do is believe in Jesus and all is forgiven is sadly mistaken.
Repentance and obedience are required.
 
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From: Got Questions.

Question: "What is Christianity and what do Christians believe?"

Answer: The core beliefs of Christianity are summarized in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Jesus died for our sins, was buried, was resurrected, and thereby offers salvation to all who will receive Him in faith. Unique among all other faiths, Christianity is more about a relationship than religious practices. Instead of adhering to a list of “do’s and don’ts,” the goal of a Christian is to cultivate a close walk with God. That relationship is made possible because of the work of Jesus Christ and the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

Beyond these core beliefs, there are many other items that are, or at least should be, indicative of what Christianity is and what Christianity believes. Christians believe that the Bible is the inspired, “God-breathed” Word of God and that its teaching is the final authority in all matters of faith and practice (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21). Christians believe in one God that exists in three persons—the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.

Christians believe that mankind was created specifically to have a relationship with God, but sin separates all men from God (Romans 3:23; 5:12). Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ walked this earth, fully God, and yet fully man (Philippians 2:6-11), and died on the cross. Christians believe that after His death, Christ was buried, He rose again, and now lives at the right hand of the Father, making intercession for the believers forever (Hebrews 7:25). Christianity proclaims that Jesus’ death on the cross was sufficient to completely pay the sin debt owed by all men and this is what restores the broken relationship between God and man (Hebrews 9:11-14; 10:10; Romans 5:8; 6:23).

Christianity teaches that in order to be saved and be granted entrance into heaven after death, one must place one’s faith entirely in the finished work of Christ on the cross. If we believe that Christ died in our place and paid the price of our own sins, and rose again, then we are saved. There is nothing that anyone can do to earn salvation. We cannot be “good enough” to please God on our own, because we are all sinners (Isaiah 53:6; 64:6-7). There is nothing more to be done, because Christ has done all the work! When He was on the cross, Jesus said, “It is finished” (John 19:30), meaning that the work of redemption was completed.

According to Christianity, salvation is freedom from the old sin nature and freedom to pursue a right relationship with God. Where we were once slaves to sin, we are now slaves to Christ (Romans 6:15-22). As long as believers live on this earth in their sinful bodies, they will engage in a constant struggle with sin. However, Christians can have victory in the struggle with sin by studying and applying God’s Word in their lives and being controlled by the Holy Spirit—that is, submitting to the Spirit’s leading in everyday circumstances.

So, while many religious systems require that a person do or not do certain things, Christianity is about believing that Christ died on the cross as payment for our own sins and rose again. Our sin debt is paid and we can have fellowship with God. We can have victory over our sin nature and walk in fellowship and obedience with God. That is true biblical Christianity.
Here are some bible verses about the assurance of salvation?
John 10:28-29 “I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.”
Romans 8:38-39 “For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
First John 5:11-13 “And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.”
John 6:37, 39 “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out…And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.”
John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
 
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Christianity is about believers having been reconciled to God thru Jesus Christ by believing in Him and His resurrection, and afterwards, believers are prompted to believe in Him as their Good Shepherd for the help and guidance they need for understanding and abiding in His words in the KJV in following Him as His disciples in bearing fruit in continuing in His love so that our joy may be full as we can only live this reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ by the grace of God
 
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Isn't 'believe in Him as their Good Shephard for the help and guidance they need for....... the equivalent of the working of the Holy Spirit within the person. And you Also included the KJV in following Him as His disciples in , etc, etc.

Sounds like you might be a KJV onlyist? maybe? And that no other version is quite like that one in genuine accuracy? Because there Is the NKJV and the NAS as well as the ESV that are also very good.

Once a person Has been 'reconciled to God thru Jesus Christ by believing Him and His resurrection' the Holy Spirit immediately comes to indwell the person -- and God's Word Does contain In book of John about Jesus being our Good Shephard -- but a believer doesn't especially need to be prompted to believe in That in addition To..... Now -- a person Will be prompted by the working of the Holy Spirit to be baptized by immersion. Baptizm by immersion is our personal outward testimony to others of the decision that has already been made in our heart. However, baptizm is Not an essential To Complete 'salvation'.
 
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From: Got Questions.

Question: "What is Christianity and what do Christians believe?"

Answer: The core beliefs of Christianity are summarized in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Jesus died for our sins, was buried, was resurrected, and thereby offers salvation to all who will receive Him in faith. Unique among all other faiths, Christianity is more about a relationship than religious practices. Instead of adhering to a list of “do’s and don’ts,” the goal of a Christian is to cultivate a close walk with God. That relationship is made possible because of the work of Jesus Christ and the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

Beyond these core beliefs, there are many other items that are, or at least should be, indicative of what Christianity is and what Christianity believes. Christians believe that the Bible is the inspired, “God-breathed” Word of God and that its teaching is the final authority in all matters of faith and practice (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21). Christians believe in one God that exists in three persons—the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.

Christians believe that mankind was created specifically to have a relationship with God, but sin separates all men from God (Romans 3:23; 5:12). Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ walked this earth, fully God, and yet fully man (Philippians 2:6-11), and died on the cross. Christians believe that after His death, Christ was buried, He rose again, and now lives at the right hand of the Father, making intercession for the believers forever (Hebrews 7:25). Christianity proclaims that Jesus’ death on the cross was sufficient to completely pay the sin debt owed by all men and this is what restores the broken relationship between God and man (Hebrews 9:11-14; 10:10; Romans 5:8; 6:23).

Christianity teaches that in order to be saved and be granted entrance into heaven after death, one must place one’s faith entirely in the finished work of Christ on the cross. If we believe that Christ died in our place and paid the price of our own sins, and rose again, then we are saved. There is nothing that anyone can do to earn salvation. We cannot be “good enough” to please God on our own, because we are all sinners (Isaiah 53:6; 64:6-7). There is nothing more to be done, because Christ has done all the work! When He was on the cross, Jesus said, “It is finished” (John 19:30), meaning that the work of redemption was completed.

According to Christianity, salvation is freedom from the old sin nature and freedom to pursue a right relationship with God. Where we were once slaves to sin, we are now slaves to Christ (Romans 6:15-22). As long as believers live on this earth in their sinful bodies, they will engage in a constant struggle with sin. However, Christians can have victory in the struggle with sin by studying and applying God’s Word in their lives and being controlled by the Holy Spirit—that is, submitting to the Spirit’s leading in everyday circumstances.

So, while many religious systems require that a person do or not do certain things, Christianity is about believing that Christ died on the cross as payment for our own sins and rose again. Our sin debt is paid and we can have fellowship with God. We can have victory over our sin nature and walk in fellowship and obedience with God. That is true biblical Christianity.
"God Questions!" he spat. His voice dripping with contempt....If you want a good explanation of anything, then stay away from 'Got Questions'. They got questions but really few biblical answers.....First off...Christianity is when one becomes a disciple of Jesus Christ. He said "
John 14:14-17 King James Version (KJV)

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
 
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Isn't 'believe in Him as their Good Shephard for the help and guidance they need for....... the equivalent of the working of the Holy Spirit within the person.
Not quite the same thing, because that is why Jesus commanded His disciples to "make" disciples of other saved believers in teaching them everything He has taught them.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

And you Also included the KJV in following Him as His disciples in , etc, etc.

Sounds like you might be a KJV onlyist? maybe? And that no other version is quite like that one in genuine accuracy? Because there Is the NKJV and the NAS as well as the ESV that are also very good.
I have been led by the Lord to see that the KJV keeps the "meat" of His words so we can discern good & evil by His words; in other words, scripture lines up with the rest of scripture in that Bible whereas modern Bibles do not.

At this link, you might see why when I was trying to correct a believer who happens to believe that he is not saved yet, but in the process of being saved. See how he used 1 Corinthians 1:18 in NKJV , NAS, and ESV to support his erroneous belief and see why I rely on the KJV.

BibleGateway; 1 Corinthians 1:18 Comparison

Another example; John 16:13 in ALL Bibles testify that the Holy Spirit cannot spak for Himself or on His own accord or on His own initiative or even on His own authority, but He can only speak what He hears; that means the Holy Spirit will not & cannot use God's gift of tongues to utter His own intercessions out loud. And although the KJV maintains that testimony in Romans 8:26 where even His groanings cannot be uttered, most do not see Romans 8:27 as the testimony of the Son being that "he" that seahches our hearts as confirmed in Hebrews 4:12-16 and thus "he" is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's silent intercessions to the Father which is in according to the will of God BECAUSE there is only One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus ( 1 Timothy 2:5 ) The reason for this is because Jesus is the only way to approach God the Father by in prayer, fellowship, and worship ( John 14:6 ) and only the Son gives the Spirit's intercessions, our intercessions, and His won intercessions to His Father so that when the Father says yes to any of those prayer request, the Son answers the prayer so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers ( John 14:13-14 KJV )

That means tongues are for God to speak thru the Holy Spirit in saved believers unto the people in their native tongues as prophesied; 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 KJV BUT most modern Bibles imply that sounds are being made when the Holy Spirit makes His intercessions in Romans 8:26-27 and so many do not discern the tongue that comes with no interpretation as not of Him. They just assume that it is a prayer language of the Holy Spirit and because of the error of Romans 8:26-27, they doubt that Jesus meant what He has said in John 16:13 on how the Holy Spirit cannot speak, as per how He can only speak.

1 Timothy 4:1-2 KJV prophesied a falling away from the faith in giving heed to seducing spirits & doctrines of devils. 1 John 4:1-4 KJV gives guidelines in testing the spirits so that they know that Jesus Christ is in them and so any spirit coming over them apart from salvation or felt outside of them as coming into the worship place is NOT the Holy Spirit, but the spirit of the antichrist. But because these spirits bring tongues, they just assume that was the Holy Spirit, but John points out in 1 John 4:5-6 that the world has a supernatural tongue which is just gibberish nonsense; vain & profane babbling as scripture testify of this kind of tongue found in the occult before Pentecost in Isaiah 8:19 and resources in the world shows that supernatural tongue exists in world's religions, cults in Christianity, and not just in the occult. Since we are to prove all things and abstain from all appearances of evil, we will need the Bible keeping the truths in His words so we can discern that truth without sowing doubts to His words as found elsewhere in modern Bibles as it has been.

It is for keeping the faith which is the good fight is why I rely only on the KJV and wish others to grow in their reconciled relationship by having His actual meaning in His words without causing doubts that would lead them astray.

Not every Bible are saying the same thing and when it comes to correcting others of false teaching, I find myself relying on the KJV, and usually because of other modern Bibles, they doubt the scripture in the KJV and hold to their error.

Not every one using the KJV are error free, but the scripture to reprove them is in the KJV. I cannot say the same for other versions when having an errant verse makes them doubt the reproofs of other scripture in that modern Bible.

I had been using the NASB and the NIV daily Bible reading until the Lord led me to read the KJV for all the troubling verses I had found in those 2 Bible versions that did not exactly line up with the rest of the truths in His words.

Once a person Has been 'reconciled to God thru Jesus Christ by believing Him and His resurrection' the Holy Spirit immediately comes to indwell the person -- and God's Word Does contain In book of John about Jesus being our Good Shephard -- but a believer doesn't especially need to be prompted to believe in That
Not every saved believer realize that Jesus Christ is with them always in being their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him as His disciples. Some just see Him as their Saviour and some of them are under the impression that they are back to doing the best they can in being good and doing good when we can only accomplish those things by faith in Him to finish His work in us. They do not know what running that race means and the consequence for not abiding in Him & His words.

in addition To..... Now -- a person Will be prompted by the working of the Holy Spirit to be baptized by immersion. Baptizm by immersion is our personal outward testimony to others of the decision that has already been made in our heart. However, baptizm is Not an essential To Complete 'salvation'.
I am pretty sure that new saved believers have to be commanded to be water baptized; and then the Holy Spirit in them will confirm and prompt them to do it.

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

I agree that water baptism plays no part in saving any believer, because it is the baptism of the Holy Spirit promised at our salvation at the calling of the gospel is when we are saved.
 
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JesusIs4Me ---- we do not agree with some theology -- for instance -- "I am pretty sure that new saved believers have to be commanded to be water baptized; and then the Holy Spirit in them will confirm and prompt them to do it."

And who is supposed to be doing the 'commanding' to Be water baptized?

I'm assuming you've been baptized by immersion -- what led you to do that?
 
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JesusIs4Me ---- we do not agree with some theology -- for instance -- "I am pretty sure that new saved believers have to be commanded to be water baptized; and then the Holy Spirit in them will confirm and prompt them to do it."

And who is supposed to be doing the 'commanding' to Be water baptized?
What I meant was you seem to imply that the Holy Spirit would lead them to get water baptized, the portion of your former quote is " Now -- a person Will be prompted by the working of the Holy Spirit to be baptized by immersion. "

But from what I have read in the Book of Acts after sinners believed in Him after hearing the gospel and got saved, they had to be commanded about water baptism. Which is why I had referred to Acts 10th chapter for an example.

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

That was all that I had meant. I was referring to your implication that the Holy Spirit will prompt them to do it, but it seems like they needed to be commanded to do it at the calling of the gospel like in Acts 2 or afterwards as above, even though it has nothing to do with obtaining salvation. Paul did not stress water baptism since his emphasis was on preaching the gospel for believing in Him is the power of God for how any one are saved, but it is an ordinance for new believers to observe, and as you say, serves as a public witness of their new found faith in Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.............21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

I'm assuming you've been baptized by immersion -- what led you to do that?
I am embarrassed to say.. I have been water baptized way too much and in different ways too, including immersion, but that was me, still a babe in the word back then.
 
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There Is a passage about Cornelius? trying to read a portion of Isaiah and Peter was 'sent' to him to help him understand what he was reading. As soon as he Did understand, he asked if there was any reason he could not be baptized and Peter showed him a spring of water where he was baptized -- which means total immersion. So -- he was Not commanded to do so -- the Holy Spirit was prompting him to want to be.

There Are denominations that say a person needs to be baptized 'until it takes'. So a person Might end up getting 'resaved' and baptized over and over again until it appears to have 'taken' and Then they are considered really 'saved'.

Did your parents have you baptized or sprinkled when you were young?
 
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Truly authentic Biblical faith is TORAH-OBEDIENT Biblical faith.

Why?

Because Jesus and the Apostles obeyed Torah, and they taught others to do the same.

Sadly, our Christian establishment has long-since drifted away from truly authentic Biblical faith.

It's time for us all to return...as we grow together in obedience to the TORAH (Jer. 31:33) of the New Covenant in which we Christians participate.

It's time for us to discern that we are ISRAELITES (Jer. 31:31-33) in covenant with YHVH.

How sad that so many of us do not even know who we are (ISRAEL!), nor do we know how we should live (TORAH!)

blessings...
 
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Well -- from my understanding Of the Torah is that it's only the 1st give books of the Old Testament and the Jewish people don't read anymore of the Bible than those books.

Awe -- actually -- the Church is Not Israel. They are separate groups.

This world has a Risen Savior.
 
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Truly authentic Biblical faith is TORAH-OBEDIENT Biblical faith.

Why?

Because Jesus and the Apostles obeyed Torah, and they taught others to do the same.

Sadly, our Christian establishment has long-since drifted away from truly authentic Biblical faith.

It's time for us all to return...as we grow together in obedience to the TORAH (Jer. 31:33) of the New Covenant in which we Christians participate.

It's time for us to discern that we are ISRAELITES (Jer. 31:31-33) in covenant with YHVH.

How sad that so many of us do not even know who we are (ISRAEL!), nor do we know how we should live (TORAH!)

blessings...
Bibleguy....Are you a messianic Christian? Is that why you said Christians have to obey Torah? Jesus said "37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Keep these two laws and all the other laws of Torah are taken care of. Because all the Law and the prophets are based on these two laws. That leaves us two laws to obey, not six hundred or so.
 
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Well -- from my understanding Of the Torah is that it's only the 1st give books of the Old Testament and the Jewish people don't read anymore of the Bible than those books.

Awe -- actually -- the Church is Not Israel. They are separate groups.

This world has a Risen Savior.
Hi there!

Actually, Jews read the entire Tanach (Law, Prophets, Writings), commonly referenced as "Old Testament" by Christians.

And, Stephen identifies the Israelite assembly as the CHURCH (Gr. "ekklesia", Ac. 7:38). So, that's why the church is Israel.

Also, the LXX routinely identifies the Israelite assembly with "ekklesia". So again, the church is Israel.

And, many Jews are Christians...so of course, such Jews read the entire Bible (not just the Tanach).....

Anyway....just wanted to point these things out....

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Bibleguy....Are you a messianic Christian? Is that why you said Christians have to obey Torah? Jesus said "37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Keep these two laws and all the other laws of Torah are taken care of. Because all the Law and the prophets are based on these two laws. That leaves us two laws to obey, not six hundred or so.
Hi there!

Thanks for asking...

I am just a guy who tries to do what the Bible says....

I don't like labels....because they tend to be imperfect, and mislead others.

Sure, I'm a Christian (i.e., a disciple of Jesus, the Messiah).

You wrote: " Is that why you said Christians have to obey Torah?"

My response: Christians should obey Torah because:

1. Torah is not abolished or terminated or canceled.
2. Torah passes directly into the New Covenant (Jer. 31:33; Heb. 8:10; 10:15-16).
3. Jesus taught Torah (Mt. 4:4; 5:19; 22:37; 23:2-3,23,34).
4. Jesus promised eternal life to those who obey Torah (Lk. 10:25-28).
5. Jesus gave great warnings against those who disobey Torah (Mt. 5:19-20; 7:21-23; 13:41-42).
6. Jesus applied these Torah-obedient teachings to all disciples of all nations (Mt. 28:19-20).
7. The Apostles also obeyed and taught Torah (e.g., Paul, Peter, James, John, Stephen, etc.)
8. The Prophets require Torah (and the prophets are not abolished).
9. The Psalms require Torah (and the Psalms are not abolished).
10. The Proverbs require Torah (and the Proverbs are not abolished).

You wrote: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."

My response: Yes! Jesus APPLIES Dt. 6 to YOU! (Mt. 22:37).

And HOW does the context of Dt. 6 confirm that we should express this love for God (as required by Jesus)?

Answer: Through obedience to ALL Torah commands (Dt. 6:25).

You wrote: "Keep these two laws and all the other laws of Torah are taken care of."

My response: Because if you love God (according to Dt. 6), then you WILL obey all other Torah commands (Dt. 6:25). So, they are "taken care of" because we WILL obey all the rest of Torah, IF we properly express Torah-obedient love as required by Jesus.

You wrote: "That leaves us two laws to obey, not six hundred or so."

My response: NOTHING in Dt. 6 states that you can ignore the rest of Torah. In fact, Dt. 6 requires obedience to ALL Torah (Dt. 6:25). Thus, you've contradicted the very context of Dt. 6 which Jesus applies to YOU in Mt. 22:37.

And, who said there are "six hundred or so" commands?

I don't trust Maimonides' count....unless you can explain why Dt. 4:15 (for example) doesn't show up in his list.

Anyway....hope that explains why my commitment to Biblical Scripture leads me to these conclusions...

Why would you oppose Torah-obedience, given all these Biblical considerations?

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There Is a passage about Cornelius? trying to read a portion of Isaiah and Peter was 'sent' to him to help him understand what he was reading. As soon as he Did understand, he asked if there was any reason he could not be baptized and Peter showed him a spring of water where he was baptized -- which means total immersion. So -- he was Not commanded to do so -- the Holy Spirit was prompting him to want to be.
Are you recalling the passage or reading the passage? I think you have Peter & Cornelius mixed up with Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch at the end of Act 8?

Here is the passage about Peter & Cornelius.

Acts 10:29 Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me? 30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing, 31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God. 32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee. 33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God. 34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

As Peter spoke; something happened when he got finished for then the baptism of the Holy Ghost had come on all those that heard the word and believed in Him. And then was the commandment to be water baptized.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

I'm pretty sure you are recollecting that scenario of the Ethipoian eunuch asking Philip to be water baptized at the end of Acts 8th chapter, but I reckob only you can ascertain if that was what you were recalling incorrectly as being Cornelius.

There Are denominations that say a person needs to be baptized 'until it takes'. So a person Might end up getting 'resaved' and baptized over and over again until it appears to have 'taken' and Then they are considered really 'saved'.
I never heard of such a denomination, but the reproof for that is below:

Hebrews 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. 9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

Once a saved believer has received life, that rain has been received in the ground already so when they fall away, all that happens is that it brings about thorns and briers that needs to be burned away. If you compare that with burning away the works on that foundation of wood, stubble, and hay, that gets burned away in 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 , then you can see that the foundation remains; there is no laying it down again to be renewed in that fashion. So one is not born again "again". There is only a need to repent and depart from iniquity because life as in the rain, has already been received in the ground.

Did your parents have you baptized or sprinkled when you were young?
I was sprinkled in being water baptized twice; one as an infant and another time as a tot; if I recalled correctly for having a temper tantrum as a tot and if I recall correctly the other incident for why is that my mother was about to hit me when I saw another twin of my mother right beside her whom stopped her from hitting me and told her not to do that. It was about that incident in real life that I had been dreaming about clones of people I love; one is nice, the other was not. In any event, my mother in real life and still to this day, remembers that incident but she saw no one beside her when she felt someone stopped her from hitting me. I can understand why she felt to have me water baptized again even though at that time, I was confused and embarrassed that she was having me water baptized again as a tot. Strangely enough, I remembered I was water baptized before for why I was annoyed that I was being carried up there to be water baptized again.

.Then as a young adult, I felt I needed to be water baptized by immersion, because of my doubts of being in Christ because of my carnal sins that I had trouble overcoming as much as I had tried to keep my commitment to follow Christ the best I can. It was very much later in 1994, when He had spoken to me why He was not helping me keep my then recent covenant with my mouth not to cuss which I had made the prior day. He said "You made the covenant. You said you were going to do it. I made the Covenant and I said I was going to do it. All I asked from you is to believe in Me." I was humbled that day and asked Him for forgiveness, but then Promise Keepers' movement came into the valley and as much as I tried to warn everyone about not doing it, in one Bible study, a Catholic Mason said this "Isn't a commitment to follow Christ like a promise?" I was speechless fro a moment and then he said "Sure it is.." That was then the Lord made me realize some more pruning needed to be had as He set me free from all bondage to rest in Him and His New Covenant to me that HE will help me to follow Him. And I told that "brother" that I will no longer speak of my commitment to follow Christ but I shall declare my faith in Him instead" basically to help me to follow Him rather than striving religiously by looking to myself to keep that commitment to follow Him. He has forgiven me and set me free to rely on Him all the time for following Him.

Anyway, as you can see how I was a babe in the word still until 1994 where He had finally intervened in getting through to me that He had never asked any one to make a commitment or promise to Him but to believe in Him as being their Good Shepherd as well as later on in learning that water baptism doesn't do anything at all as much as I wanted it to in somehow making me clean to overcome my personal habitual sins. I had to surrender and rest in Him to do it as He helped me to discern every weight & sin to lay it down and it is an everyday thing for running that race as He leads me away from temptation and from evil ones too.

Thanks to Him, I am still open to learning and being pruned by Him in the word as kept in the KJV as that is the only way His disciples can bear more fruit.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

It seems I am purged as in cleaned each time I am pruned to bear more fruit in my walk with Him, but seeing how I have been water baptized in different ways, I can safely declare it does nothing but serves as a public witness; BUT yet again, it is also unnecessary to be water baptized again for any other reason and especially since the scripture exhorts us NOT to do it again as God permits, because we are saved no matter what; all that remains is repentance with His help.
 

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