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Trinity Passages Can you spot the trinity in each?

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I posted this to some antitrinitarian forums. I was hoping they could see it. But it turned out, none could. How are your Trinity spotting skills?

Matt 1:20

But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Matt 3:16

And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;

Matt 12:18

“Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.

Matt 12:28

But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Matt 22:43

He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,

Matt 28:19

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Luke 1:35

And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

Luke 2:26

And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

Luke 3:22

and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”

Luke 10:21

In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.

John 1:33

I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’

John 3:5

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

John 3:34

For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure.

John 14:16

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,

John 14:26

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 15:26

“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

John 16:15

All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Acts 1:4

And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me;

Acts 2:33

Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

Acts 7:55

But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Acts 10:38

how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

Rom 1:4

and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,

Rom 8:9

You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

Rom 8:11

If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

Rom 15:16

to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Rom 15:30

I appeal to you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf,

1 Cor 6:11

And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor 12:3

Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

2 Cor 3:3

And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

2 Cor 13:14

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Gal 4:6

And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

Eph 2:18

For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.

Eph 2:22

In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

Phil 3:3

For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—

2 Thess 2:13

But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.

Titus 3:6

whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Heb 9:14

how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Heb 10:29

How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

1 Pet 1:2

according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

1 Pet 4:14

If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.

1 John 4:2

By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

Rev 2:7

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’
 
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I posted this to some antitrinitarian forums. I was hoping they could see it. But it turned out, none could. How are your Trinity spotting skills?
Hello @Dave L.

Thank you for these verses, I shall tackle those I have time for:-
Matt 1:20
But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
'An angel of the Lord' = God the Father
'That which is conceived in her' = God the Son
'The Holy Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
Matt 3:16
And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;
'Jesus' = God the Son
'the Spirit of - God' = God the Father
'the Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
Matt 12:18
“Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.
'Behold, My servant' = spoken by God the Father
'My Beloved' = God the Son
'My Spirit = God the Holy Spirit
Matt 12:28
But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
'the Spirit of - God' = God the Father
Spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ = God the Son
'the Spirit' - God the Holy Spirit
Matt 22:43
He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,
'He (the Lord JesusChrist) said to them' = God the Son
'in the Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
'calls Him Lord (God)' = God the Father
Matt 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
This one is obvious.
Luke 1:35
And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.
This one is also obvious
Luke 2:26
And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.
'The Holy Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
'the Lord's .... ' = God the Father
'the child' = God the Son
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”
'the Holy Spirit = God the Holy Spirit
'a voice came from heaven, 'You are My Beloved Son.' = God the Father
'My Beloved Son' = God the Son.

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Read Carefully as this is YHVH speaking in Isaiah 48...


I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous (referring to Cyrus of Persia...but now continue).

16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. (this is YHVH the Word/Son speaking)

17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

See how all three are one and the same YHVH? The YHVH who comes or is sent (God's "me") IS YHVH...and is sent here from YHVH by or with His Spirit (who is also the one and only YHVH)...;.hence the Word is both with God and IS God....
 
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Hello again, @Dave L.

I shall do a few more:-
Luke 10:21
In that same hour He rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.
'He rejoiced' = God the Son
'the Holy Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
'Father' = God the Father
John 1:33
I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
'He Who sent me to baptize' = God the Father
'He on Whom you see the Spirit descend and remain' = God the Son
'the Holy Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
'Jesus answered' = God the Son
'the Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
'the Kingdom of God' = God the Father

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Read Carefully as this is YHVH speaking in Isaiah 48...


I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous (referring to Cyrus of Persia...but now continue).

16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. (this is YHVH the Word/Son speaking)

17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

See how all three are one and the same YHVH? The YHVH who comes or is sent (God's "me") IS YHVH...and is sent here from YHVH by or with His Spirit (who is also the one and only YHVH)...;.hence the Word is both with God and IS God....
We see this in the story of Abraham in the tents of Mamre where YHVH (in the form of a man breaking bread with him) sends forth the two angels to reign down fire and brimstone from YHVH who is in Heaven...even the Jewish Rabbis note this but some are confused thinking "does this mean two YHVH's?" However Jonathan ben-Ussiel in the 1st century and Onkelos in the 2nd both clarify this concept of the one YHVH being only one yet as more than one.
 
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Hello again, @Dave L.

I shall do a few more:-

'He rejoiced' = God the Son
'the Holy Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
'Father' = God the Father

'He Who sent me to baptize' = God the Father
'He on Whom you see the Spirit descend and remain' = God the Son
'the Holy Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit

'Jesus answered' = God the Son
'the Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
'the Kingdom of God' = God the Father

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Nice one Chris....the Lord continue to bless and give us all His grace
 
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I posted this to some antitrinitarian forums. I was hoping they could see it. But it turned out, none could. How are your Trinity spotting skills?
Hi @Dave L,

A few more:-
John 3:34
For He whom God has sent utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure.
'He Whom God has sent' = God the Son
'God' = God the Father
'the Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
''And I' = God the Son
'And He' = God the Father
'another Helper' = God the Holy Spirit
John 14:26
'But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
'the Helper, the Holy Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
'The Father'= God the Father
'I have said to you' = God the Son
John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
'the Helper' = God the Holy Spirit
'The Father' = God the Father
'He will bear witness about Me' = God the Son.

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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I posted this to some antitrinitarian forums. I was hoping they could see it. But it turned out, none could. How are your Trinity spotting skills?
These are compulsive viewing, Dave, I am hooked, and I hope others will be too.
John 16:15
All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
'All that the Father has' = God the Father
'is Mine' = God the Son
'He will take what is mine and declare it to you' = God the Holy Spirit.
Acts 1:4
And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me;
'He ordered them' = God the Son
'the promise of the Father' = God the Holy Spirit
'The Father = God the Father
Acts 2:33
Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.
'Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God' = God the Son
'The right hand of God' = God the Father
'the promise of the Holy Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit

Praise God!

What wonderful verses to ponder on this Boxing day afternoon.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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I posted this to some antitrinitarian forums. I was hoping they could see it. But it turned out, none could. How are your Trinity spotting skills?
Hello again,
Acts 7:55
But He, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
'The Holy Spirit' = God the Holy Spirit
'The glory of God' = God the Father
'Jesus standing at the right hand of God = God the Son
Acts 10:38
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
'How God' - God the Father
'anointed Jesus of Nazareth;' = God the Son
'with the Holy Spirit = God the Holy Spirit
Rom 1:4
and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,
'The Son of God' = God the Father
'The Spirit of holiness' = God the Holy Spirit
'His resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord = God the Son

Praise His Holy Name!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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I posted this to some antitrinitarian forums. I was hoping they could see it. But it turned out, none could. How are your Trinity spotting skills?

Matt 1:20

But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Matt 3:16

And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;

Matt 12:18

“Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.

Matt 12:28

But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Matt 22:43

He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,

Matt 28:19

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Luke 1:35

And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

Luke 2:26

And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

Luke 3:22

and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”

Luke 10:21

In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.

John 1:33

I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’

John 3:5

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

John 3:34

For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure.

John 14:16

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,

John 14:26

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 15:26

“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

John 16:15

All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Acts 1:4

And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me;

Acts 2:33

Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

Acts 7:55

But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Acts 10:38

how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

Rom 1:4

and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,

Rom 8:9

You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

Rom 8:11

If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

Rom 15:16

to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Rom 15:30

I appeal to you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf,

1 Cor 6:11

And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor 12:3

Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

2 Cor 3:3

And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

2 Cor 13:14

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Gal 4:6

And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

Eph 2:18

For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.

Eph 2:22

In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

Phil 3:3

For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—

2 Thess 2:13

But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.

Titus 3:6

whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Heb 9:14

how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Heb 10:29

How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

1 Pet 1:2

according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

1 Pet 4:14

If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.

1 John 4:2

By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

Rev 2:7

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’
The Trinity is in all those passages. The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. We know there are more than One making up the Lord because the word is Elohim. This is plural. " Let us make man in Our own image." Marriage is an example of the Trinity as well as 3 beings join as One.
 
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It would be helpful if we defined what we mean by Trinity.
Now before you read this understand that the word "catholic" here means universal not specifically those true members of the body of Christ residing in Rome or under its See....Athanasius was of Alexandria....


Athanasian Creed

Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.
Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally.
Now this is the catholic faith:
That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.
What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has.
The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.
The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.
The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.
And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.
Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.
Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.
Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.
Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.
The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.
Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.
Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.
So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity.
Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.
But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.
Now this is the true faith:
That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.
He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.
Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God's taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
so too the one Christ is both God and human.
He suffered for our salvation;
he descended to hell;
he arose from the dead;
he ascended to heaven;
he is seated at the Father's right hand;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people will arise bodily
and give an accounting of their own deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.
This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.
 
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Now before you read this understand that the word "catholic" here means universal not specifically those true members of the body of Christ residing in Rome or under its See....Athanasius was of Alexandria....


Athanasian Creed

Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.
Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally.
Now this is the catholic faith:
That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.
What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has.
The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.
The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.
The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.
And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.
Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.
Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.
Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.
Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.
The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.
Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.
Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.
So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity.
Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.
But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.
Now this is the true faith:
That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.
He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.
Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God's taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
so too the one Christ is both God and human.
He suffered for our salvation;
he descended to hell;
he arose from the dead;
he ascended to heaven;
he is seated at the Father's right hand;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people will arise bodily
and give an accounting of their own deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.
This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.
Ok, if that's how we are defining it I have to disagree with the concept. I'm quite familiar with this creed and I dont believe it is accurate. I think they went far astray of the Nicene Creed that proceeded it. I also find it troubling that they claim unless on believes this they cannot be saved. That sends up red flags. There were many before this Creed who didnt hold these things. Those holding the Nicene Creed didint hold these things. The Nicene Creed says that Jesus is true God out of True God. They believed that Jesus came out of the Father. Thus, they didnt hold to the position that Jesus existed as.a person from eternity past.

This creed also claims that there are three coequal coeternal persons but one God. We don't find anything like this in Scripture.
 
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Ok, if that's how we are defining it I have to disagree with the concept. I'm quite familiar with this creed and I dont believe it is accurate. I think they went far astray of the Nicene Creed that proceeded it. I also find it troubling that they claim unless on believes this they cannot be saved. That sends up red flags. There were many before this Creed who didnt hold these things. Those holding the Nicene Creed didint hold these things. The Nicene Creed says that Jesus is true God out of True God. They believed that Jesus came out of the Father. Thus, they didnt hold to the position that Jesus existed as.a person from eternity past.

This creed also claims that there are three coequal coeternal persons but one God. We don't find anything like this in Scripture.
Yes I realize the fineries and subtle differences of some of the definitions of the Trinity....But I believe the Nicene creed if read properly says Jesus is the Son who was "incarnate" of God and Mary...He was not Jesus until the incarnation (but always the Son) but this does not change the idea that the one and only God IS the Father and IS the Word/Son and IS the Spirit, thus both of these express the Tri-une nature of the one God. Do we at least agree that the One God is the Father, the Son, and the Spirit?
 
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Yes I realize the fineries and subtle differences of some of the definitions of the Trinity....But I believe the Nicene creed if read properly says Jesus is the Son who was "incarnate" of God and Mary...He was not Jesus until the incarnation (but always the Son) but this does not change the idea that the one and only God IS the Father and IS the Word/Son and IS the Spirit, thus both of these express the Tri-une nature of the one God. Do we at least agree that the One God is the Father, the Son, and the Spirit?
Hi Br. Paul

No, I don't agree with that position. The position I hold is that which the apostle Paul states. 'To us there is one God, the Father'. I understand the word God or Theos as a title meaning Deity. The Father is Deity and His Son is Deity also. They are not the same person or being. They are two separate beings. As the Nicene Creed says, Jesus is True God "out of" True God. They believed that Jesus, the Son, came out of the Father. I agree with that position. Jesus Himself said that He came out of God. I don't hold the Holy Spirit to he a third person but rather a limited manifestation of the Father.
 
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Hi Br. Paul

No, I don't agree with that position. The position I hold is that which the apostle Paul states. 'To us there is one God, the Father'. I understand the word God or Theos as a title meaning Deity. The Father is Deity and His Son is Deity also. They are not the same person or being. They are two separate beings. As the Nicene Creed says, Jesus is True God "out of" True God. They believed that Jesus, the Son, came out of the Father. I agree with that position. Jesus Himself said that He came out of God. I don't hold the Holy Spirit to he a third person but rather a limited manifestation of the Father.
Right...I know...where I believe as Deity there is only ONE GOD (the Bible is so clear on this point) in three persons (not one person but clearly not three Deities)) and I k now how difficult this is for humans to grasp. Then I found the Nicene thinking (summarized in the 4th century 'Cappadocian solution') of one Ousia in three hypostases clearly explained this truly Nicean position. It is also found in the earliest Targums of the Jewish Tradition (they not believing the two Messiah figures are one OR that they were Jesus). We of course believe they are one person (Messiah) who comes twice, and that Jesus was/is this person....
 
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If only the Father is God then the Son is not God and Neither is the Spirit. One God in three persons allows for them being one in essence but not in person, i.e., the Father is not given and neither the Father or the Spirit are crucified. The Son glorifies the Father (and makes Him known to us) while the Spirit glorifies the Son and bears Him witness along with the Father.
 
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If only the Father is God then the Son is not God and Neither is the Spirit. One God in three persons allows for them being one in essence but not in person, i.e., the Father is not given and neither the Father or the Spirit are crucified. The Son glorifies the Father (and makes Him known to us) while the Spirit glorifies the Son and bears Him witness along with the Father.
I believe it's hard to grasp because it's a logical contradiction. The man who is credited with coining the term Trinity as it pertains to God is Tertullian and he argued that Jesus and the Father are two separate beings. Both are Deity, however, the Father is the ultimate God or Deity. There is none equal to Him. Even the Son is not equal to the Father. When Paul says there is one God he speaks of authority. The Father is the ultimate authority or Deity. Even Jesus said the Father is the only true God.

I would submit that there are just two. We can see from Scripture that the Holy Spirit is actually the Father. We see this in Luke and Jesus states it plainly.
 
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The very reference in the Bible to the Trinity is Genesis 1:24‭-26 NKJV
Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Can anyone spot it?
 

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