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Tongues Without Interpretation Is Not God's Love

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Nor can it be His gift of tongues.

Someone pointed out how the love chapter or 1 Corinthians 13 in between 12 & 14 was put there for a reason, and there is a reason overlooked too.

We begin with how God's gift are manifested to profit the body withal in 1 Corinthians 12:7 KJV and that no member of the body of Christ will receive a gift wherein he has no need of another member of the body: 1 Corinthians 12:14-16 KJV

Also, in being zealous for these spiritual gifts, there is no extra calling in order to receive those gifts. 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV All fruits of righteousness are by Jesus Christ ( Philippians 1:11 KJV ) thru the Holy Spirit in us ( John 16:13-15 KJV )

At the end of the chapter is IN connection with the love chapter in seeking spiritual gifts.

1 Corinthians 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Then begins the love chapter with that connection in mind about in being zealous for spiritual gifts in relations to Christ's love.

1 Corinthians 13:1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Paul is signifying here that it is not God's love to manifest tongues without interpretation in the assembly.

Paul is also using a hyperbole which exaggerates the use of tongues in reference to God's love. The proof of that is in the following verses as aboviously Paul has not given his body to be burned nor applied faith to had removed mountains.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

We continue reading about His love in relations to spiritual gifts;

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

His gift of tongues will come with interpretation to warrant patience for it will come so there is no need for envy. His tongue will not be coming without interpretation in the assembly for then it would puff up the tongue speaker, and can cause envy among non-tongue speakers if that was the case.

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

To believe tongues can come without interpretation in the assembly is seeking your own gain and provokes others. That is why His gift of tongues will not be manifested privately at all.

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

His gift of tongues will come with interpretation for the tongue speaker to understand it and rejoice in truth, thus being fruitful to the tongue speaker as well as to others as evident of God's love in action; 1 Corinthians 14:13-17 KJV

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

So non-tongue speakers are to believe that His gift of tongues will come with interpretation in the assembly or else it is not God's gift of tongues because God's love in His words says it is not.

Since spiritual gifts were for the profit of the body of Christ, we were told that it will cease when the perfect has come. Since tongues with interpretation was for the edification of the assembly, then that would b considered as speaking as a child, but when the written scripture becomes available, then we are to put away child things for the use of tongues has ceased its purpose in the assembly which was to seek its edification with interpretation.

The same goes for prophecy wherein the practice of 2 or 3 speaks and another judge will cease. 1 Corinthians 14:29 KJV I can understand why some believers thinks God's gift of tongues have ceased because no church hardly practice prophecy in that manner any more as they were to do with tongues. 1 Corinthians 14:27-28 KJV

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Then after Paul testified to them of what God's love is in relations to spiritual gifts, he reminded the readers his exhortation in regards to their zeal for spiritual gifts.

1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

Why the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts? Why begin verse 1 by comparing tongues by itself against prophesy after the love chapter? Because tongues is not a stand alone gift to be coming without interpretation in the assembly. That is not Christ's love in action at all for why prophesy is better than tongues as the gift to seek after.

Paul repeats the truth again wherein even the tongue speakers needs interpretation for that tongue to be fruitful. This is not the Holy Spirit praying but Paul is praying while speaking in tongues that someone else will interpret.

1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

If no interpretation in this practice of 2 or 3 speaking in tongues one by one while another interprets as they do for practicing prophesy one by one, then that means a foreigner has spoken out of turn for he understands what he is saying as God does too for why he is made to be silent in the assembly, being a visitor.

1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Paul interjected a bottom line on what God's gift of tongues were for in case any one was misreading his words, and there were only for speaking unto the people thru His servants that knew not the tongue.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Paul gave no exception here for private use.

Many tongue speakers ( not all ) use tongues as a sign or proof to themselves for salvation or God calling them into the ministry. Even the RCC in its early days used tongues as a sign that they were keeping the doctrines within, but no.

1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

So regardless of how real that supernatural tongue without interpretation is, or how a tongue speaker may testify to what he assumes was the receiving of the Holy Spirit apart from salvation by that sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation, that was not of Him nor His tongue, because that would be God's love NOT in action by His words.

So believe not every spirit but test them ( 1 John 4:1 KJV ) because there is a supernatural tongue in the world gained by the receiving of other spirits that is just vain & profane babbling nonsense ( 1 John 4:5-6 KJV ) It can cause someone to envy and lead others away from the faith in chasing after them to receive for a sign, 1 Timothy 4:1-2 KJV .

Hardly Christ's love at all when it was the gift of prophecy that believers were to be zealous for in seeking to have, but with the written scripture available as I do recommend whole heartedly the KJV for the truth in His words, there is no need for such an indirect route supernaturally to obtain our edification by in the assembly any more.

Do pray normally at that throne of grace for help from our Good Shepherd to see the wisdom in His words.
 
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Hmm dont know that you can stop people from talking in tongues privately permanently but people are generally considerate and will stop in a meeting if they know you cant understand a word they saying and there is no interpetation. I mean that is just courtesy.

God does understand all tongues though, so He doesnt need an interpreter!

Dont envy tongues if you cant understand them, its the least of the gifts, but still, its a gift. Not everyone speaks or reads english just be aware of that. This is why the bible is translated into so many different languages.
 
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Hmm dont know that you can stop people from talking in tongues privately permanently but people are generally considerate and will stop in a meeting if they know you cant understand a word they saying and there is no interpetation. I mean that is just courtesy.

God does understand all tongues though, so He doesnt need an interpreter!
Do consider that Paul, as a tongue speaker, did need an interpreter though.

And if the Lord is courteous to supply interpretation for the tongue manifested in the assembly in showing love towards the body of Christ, then where is the courtesy and love towards the believer when tongues is coming without interpretation to the tongue speaker? Would that not be a line of discernment that the tongue being manifested as believed to be for private use is not of Him at all but is of the world as John testified of? 1 John 4:5-6 KJV & 1 Timothy 4:1-2 KJV & Isaiah 8:19 KJV & 1 John 4:1 KJV
 
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Dont envy tongues if you cant understand them, its the least of the gifts, but still, its a gift. Not everyone speaks or reads english just be aware of that. This is why the bible is translated into so many different languages.
Nobody should be using the real God's gift of tongues privately for that would incite envy if believers really believed it can come without interpretation for private use.

The Holy Spirit cannot use God's gift of tongues which is for speaking unto the people ( 1 Corinthians 14:21 KJV ) and turn it around in confusion by switching that mode as a means for uttering His intercessions out loud to God. Why? Because tee Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself or on His own accord, or on His own authority or on His own initiative. He can only speak what He hears. John 16:13 KJV or any Bible version or all of them if not convinced.

That means modern Bibles have translated Romans 8:26-27 wrong but the KJV has it right; Romans 8:28 KJV cites that even His groanings cannot be uttered hence no sound at all. Romans 8:27 KJV cites that the One that searches our hearts Whom is Jesus Christ the Word of God & the Son of God, ( Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV ) is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit as this is according to the will of God being how there is only One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5 KJV

Jesus is the only way to come to God the Father by ( John 14:6 KJV ) All invitations points to the Sn in coming to God the Father. ( John 5:22-23 KJV )

He, alone, is at the throne of grace to give our intercessions, spoken or unspoken, to the Father ( Matthew 6:7-8 KJV ) just as He is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit to give His unspeakable intercessions to the Father from that throne of grace. AND Jesus gives His own intercessions for us too. Hebrews 7:25 KJV So whenever the Father says "Yes" to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayer so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers ( John 14:13-14 KJV ) The Holy Spirit assists or participates in how the Son answers the prayers but the Holy Spirit gives all credit and all glory to Jesus ( John 16:14-15 KJV ) for answers to prayers as all power has been given unto only Him to answer prayers; Matthew 28:18-20 KJV

That is why any prayers to Mary, or the departed saints or even TO the Holy Spirit or addressing the Holy Spirit at all in worship or in prayer is a work of iniquity ( John 10:1-5 KJV ) that is seen by the Father & His word as dishonoring the Son in coming to Him. John 10:1KJV & John 10:7-9 KJV & John 5:22-23 KJV & John 14:6 KJV ) It doesn't matter if there was answer to prayer seemingly by Mary or the departed saints or supposedly by the Holy Spirit, His words says that is iniquity.

So having tongues for private use and supposedly used by the Holy Spirit to utter His own intercessions by it, which is a false assumption, there is no way for that to NOT sow envy and temptation to envy among the believers.

Why do some believers need that special help than other believers? Why do they boast of having that closeness with God by having tongues without interpretation and be ignorant of how that can sow envy to those who do not speak in tongues?

No good tree will produce an evil fruit and no evil tree can produce a good fruit; therefore tongues without interpretation and thus assumed to be for private use is not of Him at all because that is not Christ's love towards the body of believers being shown here.
 
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Since it remains apparent that you want to teach or preach your idea instead of discuss it, I will leave you alone with it even though you miss the mark on many points. I only post this much to let others know that your position is not the only one. You speak of charity and quote the verses from I Cor 13, but as it appears to me, without understanding. Joinng in this thread further would likely only result in it being closed as well.
 
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1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing. 18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you...........21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

May all the members in TalkJesus be really about Talk Jesus and all His promises to us with all our hopes on Him rather than "Talk Spirit" or "Talk Tongues" or "Talk Believer's Commitments" which is really not the same thing as Talk Jesus..
 
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Nobody should be using the real God's gift of tongues privately for that would incite envy if believers really believed it can come without interpretation for private use.
Greetings,
Do you care to explain how you reached the following?

Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Jude 1:20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

So as you can see friend, what you have stated does not line up with Scripture.

Blessings
W4F
 
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Er, @JESUS4ME if we praying privately what it it to you what tongue it is in? Its for God, not your ears.

Yes Paul had an interpreter, he took silas and barnabas with him, even Moses had an interpeter, he had Aaron, and they were speaking the same language even, because aaron had a louder voice and didnt stammer.

Not sure what your problem is. People soon learn if theres no interpretation nobody can understand what that person is saying. Which is why we have interpreters. Joseph had one when he was speaking egyptian to his brothers, but actually he did know hebrew he was just pretending he didnt, cos they didnt recognise him. They just thought he was this offical egyptian guy who was being strangely familiar with them...

I hope this thread can be closed and then tongues will cease.

Acfually no someone will just start up another thread lol. This is talk Jesus. (English tongue only)
 
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Er, @JESUS4ME if we praying privately what it it to you what tongue it is in? Its for God, not your ears.
This is correct.

1 Cor 14:2; For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

Sometimes we speak in tongues simply between ourselves and God.
But sometimes someone may have a word of wisdom, word of knowledge or prophecy/interpretation for the church body.
Usually everyone in the congregation (saved or not). This use of tongues needs to be interpreted.
 
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Please forgive us if weve ever spoken a language within earshot of someone who couldnt understand what we were saying.

We are not deliberately being rude.

I grew up in a household where my grandparents didnt understand a word of english. And I couldnt speak chinese well, not very well. And they would say in chinese why dont you speak chinese. But then to my mind why couldnt they just learn english. We cant really help what tongue we are born speaking.

Which is why there is such a thing as chinglish. And spanglish. And pidgin english. And american english.

People would come up to me and say your english is very good. And I would be thinking hmm I just talk like everyone else, what do they mean? But people that dont know me must think I spend years learning it and that Im not native nzer or something.

Thankfully God knows and understands the hearts of everyone. To everyone who speak a different language, that we cant understand, we are like barbarians to them. Story of my life, people think I cant understand english.

We have in nz oneof the offical languages is maori, cos the maori population that is fheir tongue. Sometimes someone will say a karakia (prayer) in maori and sometimes yes its annoying when no interpretation is given. (As i dont speak maori) But I do know when they are praying. Because often times its just the Lords prayer. And everyone knows the Lords prayer.

The word of wisdom may be in another language. It may be specific to that person God wants you to share it with who quite possibly did not grow up speaking english as their native tongue. You might not know what it means but they do.

Its like the writing on the wall mene men tekel upharsin

Being saved you soon learn some new words that werent in your vocbulary before, that are in a foreign tongue.

For example, and its not all greek to me..

Agape, meaning charity or love
hallelujah, shalom, selah, meaning praise the lord, peace, rest
ecclesia meaning church
baptise (transliteration of the greek, to immerse)
Rhema and logos meaning the word

And many others. I could go on but will stop here. Before I read the bible, the dictionary was one of my favourite books. I kept that beside my bed cos I was always reading books and finding new words.
 
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Greetings everyone

Tongues seem hot on the agenda.....and threads are popping up everywhere.

Threads on this topic have been closed previously to prevent a ping -pong of differences in opinions which then tend to go round in circles.

When challenging another member......ask yourself do I have scripture to back up what I am saying

Also allow time for responses from others.

Whilst reading around the subject.....this verse stood out

Let all things be done decently and in order
1 Corinthians 14:40
 
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Thank God my walk in the Spirit is not determined by the unlearned.
I have prayed in tongues daily without interpretation to Jesus and my Father for
twenty-one years now.
And I ain't going to stop because someone says he doesn't do it nor then should I.
 
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Heres some scripture that goes into why God made different tongues in the first place.

Go right back to the beginning of your bible to genesis 11:1-9

Do consider that Paul, as a tongue speaker, did need an interpreter though.

And if the Lord is courteous to supply interpretation for the tongue manifested in the assembly in showing love towards the body of Christ, then where is the courtesy and love towards the believer when tongues is coming without interpretation to the tongue speaker? Would that not be a line of discernment that the tongue being manifested as believed to be for private use is not of Him at all but is of the world as John testified of? 1 John 4:5-6 KJV & 1 Timothy 4:1-2 KJV & Isaiah 8:19 KJV & 1 John 4:1 KJV
Tongues is magnifying the Lord. I have told you this over and over but you simply dont believe.

Jesus4me am going to explain it really simply as if you are a child ok? Get out your kjv bible.

Go to acts chapter 2 esp read verse 11. We do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Another miracle happens in acts 3 verse 8. What does the lame man do, he leaps up and praises God.

In acts 4 Peter and John get told off for doing miracles and speaking about Jesus. Peter gets filled with the holy ghosts and speaks to the high priest, but Peter is a lowly fisherman from galilee whats he doing speaking with the hebrew elite? They try and tell him to shut up. See verse 18.

29 and 31 says they speak with boldness.

Go further to acts 10:46 what does it say there?

Ok what does magnifying the Lord mean? It means praising him, exalting Him. Declaring Jesus is Lord. King of kings, lord of Lords. Glorifying Him. So whether we do it in english, hebrew, maori or another tongue it means the same!

Nobody is saying in another tongue Jesus4Me your car lights are on.

Where is the love toward the believer well..you know what proverbs 3:5 says trust the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto your own understanding...in all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

How many of us understand God completely? Do we know over 100 languages like He does and answer billions of prayers every second. No? You and me both.

Sometimes God does things we dont understand like even uses our mouths to speak through.

So dont be afraid of tongues if you hear it and you dont understand. I dont know how your church operates but if its always a noisy babble then maybe find somewhere quieter or use a talking stick. Wait your turn. I prefer keeping silence in church myself.
 
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Greetings,

may I ask that you re-read what Staff Member Fragrant Grace wrote above?

Greetings everyone

Tongues seem hot on the agenda.....and threads are popping up everywhere.

Threads on this topic have been closed previously to prevent a ping -pong of differences in opinions which then tend to go round in circles.

When challenging another member......ask yourself do I have scripture to back up what I am saying

Also allow time for responses from others.

Whilst reading around the subject.....this verse stood out

Let all things be done decently and in order
1 Corinthians 14:40
One thing stands out in these threads.
Peoples personal thoughts and experiences and the things practised in the churches they attend.
That's fine.

One other thing also stands out and that is hostility and belittling of other members. That is not fine.

In addition to Fragrant Grace's post I would like to add that most who have replied and engaged in these threads have already spoken/written what they think and believe and that it would be really good if we can now look at the Scriptures raised from both or all sides and discuss them in their context and see not who of us is right or wrong but what do the Scriptures say regarding this whole subject. We can and all will benefit from doing so.
I, for one, am not scared of the Scriptures, are you? If not, then let us proceed in the common love we have from Jesus Christ the Lord Who gave Himself for us.... and
Let all things be done decently and in order
1 Corinthians 14:40

I understand that some are defensive and some are concerned, that some are unsure, that some show little patience, that some repeat themselves and, for this reason, I ask that we can all be considerate and prayerful, knowing that many guests read our forums and that the 'love', the Christ we portray in the manner we interact speaks much more loudly than the words we write,no matter what we think or believe. (I am personally reminded of this and know that i have not always given a beautiful example of God's love, so i am not throwing stones or judging anyone, I have no right nor track record to do so but that does not give me liberty to continue shaming His name)
It was Jesus who said,"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Matthew 5:16

It is always safe to look at Scripture and see what is written. in the same way, it is safe to examine ourselves in the light of Scripture. We would be foolish if we did not. We need to get over issues about translations and to search diligently in order to learn. If we only get upset and refuse to look at the Scriptures presented and weigh them up with other Scripture, we shall not learn from Scripture.

Thank you for reading this,

may the Lord be with you
 
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"One other thing also stands out and that is hostility and belittling of other members. That is not fine."



AMEN !!!
 
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"One other thing also stands out and that is hostility and belittling of other members. That is not fine."


AMEN !!!
It's not fine at all. If the devil wants to depress me then that is one way to achieve it. (but , stuff him!)
 
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Greetings,
Do you care to explain how you reached the following?

Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
As mentioned in the O.P, The Holy Spirit cannot even utter His own groanings. There is no sound per the KJV accurate translation of that verse. Romans 8:27 KJV is testifying to how His unspoken intercessions are given to God the Father and that is by Another Whom happens to be at that throne of grace where He searches our hearts AND knows the mind of the Spirit which is in according to the will of God of there being only One Mediator between us & the Father. 1 Timothy 2:5 KJV

This is done in according to the will of God because all power has been given unto the Son to answer prayers ( Matthew 28:18 KJV ) so that whenever the Father says "Yes" to any of those intercessions, be it the Spirit's or ours or the Son's own, the Son answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers. ( John 14:13-14 KJV ) So Jesus really meant what He had said in how any of us, including our prayers comes to God the Father by. ( John 14:6 KJV )

Jude 1:20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
All things being equal in grammar usage, praying IN the Holy Ghost is not praying WITH the Holy Ghost or praying TO the Holy Ghost ro praying BY the Holy Ghost.

Every believer has the Holy Ghost/Jesus Christ in them when they pray.

Which brings up an evil fruit for tongue speakers that insists that tongues can be used privately for that purpose if they were to apply that verse in that way. Does this not show a lack of care by the Holy Spirit when not every believer prays in tongues? Does this mean that the Holy Spirit has no intercessions to utter for non-tongue speakers? Does this mean they do not have the Holy Ghost and are not saved per Romans 8:9 KJV ? Does this mean as a believer already, that seeking to receive the Holy Spirit after that sign of tongues to get that prayer tongue PROVES that it is not His gift of tongues because tongues were not to serve as a sign towards believers? 1 Corinthians 14:22 KJV

So as you can see friend, what you have stated does not line up with Scripture.

Blessings
W4F
Actually, those scripture you had referred to were either misread as Romans 8:26 was, or misapplied as Jude 1:20 was, as it is the other scriptures that is not lining up to support using tongues for private use for how you use those few scriptures for.

Tongues without interpretation is not an expression of God's love at all towards the body of believers which is why His gift of tongues will be understood by a foreigner or it will be interpreted in the assembly. To assume it to be a prayer language of the Holy Spirit is to divide the body of Christ as if they do not need the Holy Spirit's interceding for them on their behalf which is not the case, because He intercedes for everyone as it is the Son that gives His unspoken intercessions to the Father. Indeed, Jesus does such a good job that although we are commanded to pray, the Father knows before we ask anything in prayer. Matthew 6:7-8 KJV

I thank you for sharing and asking questions, but those few scripture when read rightly and divided rightly do line up with all the scriptures I have used to prove His gift of tongues will come with interpretation and when used privately, then it is not His gift of tongues. I am sure it is real, but it is the supernatural tongue as found in the world which is vain & profane babbling as the O.T. confirms ( Isaiah 8:19 KJV ) for why it is coming without interpretation that you are assuming is for private use..
 
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Greetings,

if we read Jude in context we shall see that, "But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost," does not equal 'speaking in tongues'.or 'praying in tongues'.
We can use that Scripture to profess it means 'speaking in tongues' or 'praying in tongues' but it doesn't say that at all.

And, for the record," building up yourselves" does NOT mean shooting each other down.


Bless you ....><>
 
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Greetings,
Do you care to explain how you reached the following?

Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
How about I just ask the question then.

Doesn't that verse you quoted above testify that even His groanings cannot be uttered?

Jude 1:20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
How are you reading that to mean? Is that YOU praying or the Holy Ghost praying?

Do you consider praying IN the Holy Ghost the same as praying WITH the Holy Ghost?

Do you consider praying IN the Holy Ghost the same as praying TO the Holy Ghost?

So is it really the same in how you are applying praying IN the Holy Ghost as inferring tongues?

What are the ramifications for that verse to be applied in that way?

How can non-tongue speaker NOT feel left out & unloved by God as if the Holy Spirit is NOT making any intercessions for them?

And yet the Father knows before any non-tongue speakers & tongue speakers asks in prayer thanks to Jesus Christ in searching our hearts. Matthew 6:7-8 KJV & Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV

So I ask you why would His gift of tongues for speaking unto the people, turn around to be used for private use when it is not coming with interpretation ?

The Holy Ghost is IN every saved believer and so when WE pray, we are praying IN the Holy Ghost which I believe to mean not praying in the flesh for carnal wants but as led by the Spirit towards the fruits of the Spirit in making our requests..

That verse applies to all believers and should not be misapplied as inferring only praying in tongues as if that verse is just for the tongue speakers and so non-tongue speakers can just be envious and feel slighted by the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit makes unspeakable intercessions for everybody. He does not need to use tongues to give His intercessions for us when Jesus knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's intercessions to the Father..

So as you can see friend, what you have stated does not line up with Scripture.

Blessings
W4F
Are you sure you are not misreading Romans 8:26 KJV and misapplying Jude 1:20 KJV since scripture cannot go against scripture; and why those 2 scriptural references of yours were not the ones lining up with all the scriptures in the OP?
 
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This is correct.

1 Cor 14:2; For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

Sometimes we speak in tongues simply between ourselves and God.
But sometimes someone may have a word of wisdom, word of knowledge or prophecy/interpretation for the church body.
Usually everyone in the congregation (saved or not). This use of tongues needs to be interpreted.
Why promote prophecy as the gift to seek after among all spiritual gifts in 1 Corinthians 14:1 KJV but then began comparing the singular gift of tongues against the singular gift of prophesy? Could it be that the same tongue in verse 2 is the same tongue spoken of thru out that chapter as needing interpretation or else it is not fruitful to the tongue speaker because he does not understand it? Could it be the point Paul was making after verse 1 in comparing tongues against prophesy was to prove that His gift of tongues is not a stand alone gift for why the gift of prophesy is the BETTER gift to seek after among all spiritual gifts?
 
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